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Re: Why do you believe in your religion? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62550.msg1243334#msg1243334
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2016, 07:46:00 pm »
 The humanity always searching answers for the creation, the first thing we noticed is that all of this and so immensely architected that could only be done by a being far superior
however God don't show to us... what is a great problem to validate any religion, but definitely I can't believe how science explains things, have a lot of fails and lack, The Universe actually nobody knows how it came about, we are likewise unable to imagine an end to Universe, imagine the infinite, however at the same time we have a great difficulty to understand how one space can be infinite...
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Re: Why do you believe in your religion? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62550.msg1243448#msg1243448
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2016, 11:10:15 pm »
- Creation. I believe that God created the heavens and the earth. Looking at the scientific evidence, I think it takes just as much (if not more) faith to believe that all the things that needed to happen in order for life to exist came by coincidence. The odds are so heavily against it, it's pretty ridiculous. While I understand why people would only believe what they can see and rely on that extremely slim chance over believing in an unseen supernatural being, I think it is more likely that creation had a creator.

This is the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy, with a little of the law of large numbers thrown in.  You're looking at it as if life was an end goal that everything was leading towards, and you're acting as if human life as we know it were somehow special or significant.  Neither of these are safe assumptions. 

There are a very large number of planets in the universe and the universe has been around for a very long time.  There's no reason to assume that we are in any way special. 

Or, to put it another way, it's the difference between hearing that Alan Smith of Warwickshire has won the lottery and saying "Oh my God!  But the chances against that are 14 million to 1!  It's a miracle!" and realising that with the number of people who play the lottery, someone wins almost every week.  The point being that had it not been Alan who won but instead Stephanie Davis of Berkshire you'd still be saying "Oh my God!  But the chances against that are 14 million to 1! It's a miracle!".

If the Earth were different, if the laws of physics were different, it'd be just as significant a sequence of events as those that led to us.

To take it even further, what you're actually doing is making an argument for a deterministic universe, governed by a God who micromanages absolutely everything.   Think how much faith it must take to believe that, right from the beginning of the universe to now, all the things that happened to cause me to type this sentence happened by coincidence!  That can't be true, right?  I mean, I had to be a fan of this game.  I had to join the message board and read this thread.  Before that, computers had to be invented.  My parents had to meet.  The particular sperm and egg which created me had to come together.  And so on, all the way back to the beginning of the universe. 

And God would have to micromanage everything.  That sentence would convey exactly the same meaning had there been a "just" in front of the "think".  And yet there isn't.  What are the chances of that being a coincidence?  Astronomical, by the thinking you're describing.

If you can see why a micromanaged deterministic universe doesn't really make sense, then I hope you can see why your reasoning about the existence of life doesn't actually imply a creator.

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Re: Why do you believe in your religion? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62550.msg1243449#msg1243449
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2016, 11:11:07 pm »
There's been several experiments where scientist have tried to recreate the condition on earth before life existed. The experiments has been runed in labbs 24/7 until a certain dates where the scientist study the outcome. After a few months they discovered several of the same life forms that are among the oldest on earth today. So in fact they did create life.

That is 100% untrue.

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Re: Why do you believe in your religion? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62550.msg1243478#msg1243478
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2016, 10:11:33 am »
There's been several experiments where scientist have tried to recreate the condition on earth before life existed. The experiments has been runed in labbs 24/7 until a certain dates where the scientist study the outcome. After a few months they discovered several of the same life forms that are among the oldest on earth today. So in fact they did create life.

That is 100% untrue.
It's basically this experiment. It has been done several times after that with similar results. Perhaps I worded my first post a bit badly, they did not create life just basic things that is needed for life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment
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Re: Why do you believe in your religion? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62550.msg1243563#msg1243563
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2016, 01:37:51 pm »
It's basically this experiment. It has been done several times after that with similar results. Perhaps I worded my first post a bit badly, they did not create life just basic things that is needed for life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment

That is true, but maybe not as significant as you perhaps think.  Firstly because we don't know that the gaseous mixture used in that experiment actually reflects the atmosphere of Earth at the time of abiogenesis and, indeed, it's now believed that it doesn't.

Secondly because it's not the only explanation for the existence of amino acids on Earth.  Amino acids have been found in nebulae, on comets, and on meteorites.  They didn't need to form on Earth at all in order to exist here.

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Re: Why do you believe in your religion? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62550.msg1244166#msg1244166
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2016, 12:33:43 pm »
Recently in my country we had the census. I put down my religion as "mildly agnostic" :P.
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Re: Why do you believe in your religion? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62550.msg1245192#msg1245192
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2016, 02:41:25 am »
first of all if there's a god then i don't think he's showvup on a tv show and talk about how he made the universe i'm a chriten and i'm growing in one it could be ignorence anyways what the hell will happen when i die two things will happen one.i will be judged by god or two.i will become a ghost or third.nothing will happen my life will not continue exsiting(btw i don't see how saying hell in this context is bad it's called fear.

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Re: Why do you believe in your religion? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62550.msg1245193#msg1245193
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2016, 02:42:15 am »
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