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Re: ok read this for me and answer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63097.msg1246230#msg1246230
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2016, 01:07:28 pm »
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Re: ok read this for me and answer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63097.msg1246231#msg1246231
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2016, 01:10:34 pm »
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Re: ok read this for me and answer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63097.msg1246232#msg1246232
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2016, 01:12:54 pm »
for a sign that god exsist

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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2016, 01:19:16 pm »
for a sign that god exsist

You must know, God won't send a sign if that completely interferes with your free will. That means you will never witness a sign that proves 100% of His existence...
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Re: ok read this for me and answer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63097.msg1246249#msg1246249
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2016, 04:13:45 pm »
farm plat with pdials and if u win against a monodark is a sign that god exist

go and try it until u don't win, i believe in you.

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Re: ok read this for me and answer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63097.msg1246277#msg1246277
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2016, 06:25:53 pm »
You must know, God won't send a sign if that completely interferes with your free will. That means you will never witness a sign that proves 100% of His existence...

That never used to be a problem, according to the Bible.  What changed?

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Re: ok read this for me and answer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63097.msg1246307#msg1246307
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2016, 09:39:53 pm »
i want to think there's a god but i can't be forced to believe in something

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« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2016, 09:55:51 pm »
still cussing a little here and there

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Re: ok read this for me and answer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63097.msg1246429#msg1246429
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2016, 10:13:52 am »
Why do you want to believe there's a god?

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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2016, 04:34:36 pm »
That never used to be a problem, according to the Bible.  What changed?

No, that always used to be a problem and yes, nothing has changed. Miracles like the Cataclysm do not interfere with your free will because people can still believe it just rained a lot. On the contrary, Jesus always asked someone if he/she believed before healing them or their children from an illness, for example.
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Re: ok read this for me and answer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63097.msg1246485#msg1246485
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2016, 05:41:52 pm »
No, that always used to be a problem and yes, nothing has changed. Miracles like the Cataclysm do not interfere with your free will because people can still believe it just rained a lot. On the contrary, Jesus always asked someone if he/she believed before healing them or their children from an illness, for example.

How about Joshua?  When fighting the Amorites, Joshua told God to halt the Sun and the Moon.  God stopped the Sun and the Moon in the sky for a whole day.  How is that not God proving his existence to Joshua?

But, hell, let's not even go as far as miracles.  What about Jeremiah?  God not only had a conversation with him while physically present, he touched him.  How is touching someone not establishing that you exist?

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Re: ok read this for me and answer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63097.msg1246487#msg1246487
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2016, 06:15:09 pm »
No, that always used to be a problem and yes, nothing has changed. Miracles like the Cataclysm do not interfere with your free will because people can still believe it just rained a lot. On the contrary, Jesus always asked someone if he/she believed before healing them or their children from an illness, for example.

How about Joshua?  When fighting the Amorites, Joshua told God to halt the Sun and the Moon.  God stopped the Sun and the Moon in the sky for a whole day.  How is that not God proving his existence to Joshua?

But, hell, let's not even go as far as miracles.  What about Jeremiah?  God not only had a conversation with him while physically present, he touched him.  How is touching someone not establishing that you exist?

Joshua and Jeremiah were 100% believers, God could prove His existence to them. We are not saying anything different here.
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