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This is considered an AI3 opponent? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg228608#msg228608
« on: December 19, 2010, 09:04:11 PM »
Is anyone else having real trouble against the new AI3 decks? I don't mean to whinge but the difficulty has ramped up considerably. I am not about to go back to AI2, and I know it's not that my deck is weak against particular elements. Nearly ALL of the new AI3 decks are particularly difficult to beat and when I do win I typically have only 25% of my life. I am pretty adaptable when it comes to updating my strategy but as it stands it is very clear that AI3 has really become hard to beat.

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Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg228613#msg228613
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2010, 09:12:15 PM »
Yes, if you played it when you clicked AI3, it's considered to be an AI3.
Look, AI3 is not supposed to be full of fail decks. That's AI2. AI3 is supposed to be made of good decks, to provide a challenge for the average unupped farmer. They're not that hard anyways and, let me quote zanz on this one: "Improving your deck will give you much better chances to win"
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Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg228614#msg228614
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2010, 09:13:36 PM »
Your deck seems slow, but that's imo. I'd suggest you'd go here:  http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11029.0.html and pick one of these decks to stand more of a chance vs. the "improved" AI3.
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Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg228640#msg228640
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2010, 09:41:07 PM »
Is anyone else having real trouble against the new AI3 decks? I don't mean to whinge but the difficulty has ramped up considerably. I am not about to go back to AI2, and I know it's not that my deck is weak against particular elements. Nearly ALL of the new AI3 decks are particularly difficult to beat and when I do win I typically have only 25% of my life. I am pretty adaptable when it comes to updating my strategy but as it stands it is very clear that AI3 has really become hard to beat.
yes, imho, they have become more focussed and therefore better...so you have adapt...its not really what i had in mind when voting for "better midgame content". Once you have a good deck to beat them, you will happy about the change as i have the feeling AI3 now offers better rewards as before.

Concerning good decks id rather recommend the first one here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11026.0.html

You just cant go without any creature or permanent control against AI3 anymore, imho...

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Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg228653#msg228653
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2010, 09:49:30 PM »
Seems like you have lots of different towers and shards, kind of a complicated deck. Try a simple deck with a main attack force and some basic CC. You will see it is not that bad. I blow it away anyway, but I have upgraded decks of course.

Wish there was an AI with 100 HP with upgraded cards besides the top 50.... top50 is a bit too unreliable. A balanced fight is good. Opponents with 200 HP take a lot of unnatural strategies.
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Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg228663#msg228663
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2010, 09:59:20 PM »
Thanks for the tips. I have been playing against AI3 for the past month or so and made great strides. I guess I'm just getting a case of whiplash against these new decks - they are much more sophisticated and I will just have to adjust. I wanted to get a sense as to what the rest of the community felt.

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Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg228702#msg228702
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2010, 10:28:47 PM »
I dont think they are difficult to my Fire Destroyer rush deck. Played just a few (15 exactly) matches, but won all and I wasnt even near to lose any, but...

I think AI3 is the environment that usually attract new players, people with totally unupped decks most times. If the new AI3 is too hard for this public, maybe it coulbe have a nerf, huh? What the veterans think?

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Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg228721#msg228721
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2010, 10:44:12 PM »
I just recorded the "Life Queen" (Life/Air duo) deck...if anyone of us had proposed a that much focussed deck, i would have "way too strong" for AI3...its pretty much the Fire Queen, but i think with Hope almost stronger^^ - not having a fast deck or not enough creature control - your dead.

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Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg228725#msg228725
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2010, 10:47:11 PM »
The difficulty was upped considerably, of course. For example, there is now pends and dune scorps, there is also a Mono-Aether and Ferox Jr., Paradox Jr. and even Osiris Jr. in those new decks, and I doubt any of the old decks are still there.

AI3 isn't to be fail decks, it's supposed to be harder.

From what I've heard, shrieker rush un-upped still beats them very often

Nilsieboy for example made a water rush, and lost 1 game in a total of 300

I played around 50 with DEMA and lost around 3

So no, it's still pretty easy and rushable with upped decks, but with un-upped, it becomes quite hard.

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Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg228790#msg228790
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2010, 12:16:02 AM »
Was that the intent of the AI3 change then, to make you have upped decks to be able to beat it? Ive only played a few games myself but the reward/risk ratio seems to be a bit high. If AI3 is still intended for farming then new players have little hope of that unless the roll percentage is upped in proportion.

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Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg228795#msg228795
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2010, 12:18:52 AM »
I've currently won about 3-4 out of 5 games with a shrieker rush/earthquake denial deck.  I might just be lucky, but I think I'd like a little more proof that AI 3 is too hard as it is

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Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg228801#msg228801
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2010, 12:22:41 AM »
Was that the intent of the AI3 change then, to make you have upped decks to be able to beat it? Ive only played a few games myself but the reward/risk ratio seems to be a bit high. If AI3 is still intended for farming then new players have little hope of that unless the roll percentage is upped in proportion.
If you read my full post, you'll notice I say Un-upped shrieker rush still works. No-land stompy is a viable option as well. Mono-life adrena rush is also a decent deck to choose and go for. Upped decks always had a advantage for being upped and therefore faster. No, AI3 is still newbie friendly, just less newb friendly then it was.

It was also a much needed update since they didn't use any of the new cards since Wings/Steam machine, and didn't use pendulums either. Most of them also give a neat chance for rares now that T50 will be gone later.

 

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