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Re: More AI3 decks http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24294.msg322955#msg322955
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2011, 09:20:06 PM »
How much should we be able to farm them?
This is what I'm most unsure about... Once we agree, that they may have any difficulty, where do we want to keep the average?
I don't think AI3 should be too easy to farm for new players (challenging), but I'll leave this up for discussion by the more experienced.

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Re: More AI3 decks http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24294.msg323011#msg323011
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2011, 10:36:21 PM »
I think we should hve the old ones (only the ones who's themes don't clsh too much with new gods), aand beef them up a little. Then we should look to create a handful of others who are on a similar difficulty level.

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Re: More AI3 decks http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24294.msg332540#msg332540
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2011, 12:24:22 AM »
I agree with morningstar, take old concepts and revamp them for the current game. Like Mormegil said, 30 Elders is a good number for now, and should be the eventual goal.

If we finish modifying existing decks and start making new ones, maybe this would help:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21568.0.html

That's ratcharmer's stall rating study, it could help with figuring out decent but still beatable stall decks.

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Re: More AI3 decks http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24294.msg335908#msg335908
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2011, 12:31:50 AM »
We could start by just putting the old AI3 decks back in.
they were easier, it would be bad to have a half of the decks being easier than the rest, they all need to be around the same difficulty
I don't think some variance is bad. And besides, the FGs have a much bigger difference in difficulty than AI3 would. Gods like Destiny and Paradox are barely even comparable to Hermes and Rainbow.

The decks could also be updated with the newer cards (give the FFQ elder Hope for example).
I still reckon that an equal difficulty would be better, and it wouldnt be that hard to make new decks anyway
The old Elders could be put back in with a little 'lookover', to make them slightly more streamlined. For example, the Squid-Flayer Fractal one was quite annoying powerful in it's own right, but lacking in real damage; but on the other part, the mini-Destiny was a joke overall.

Anyway, an Elder Proposition section would be great; we should really have et least as much elders as False Gods. (we have 29 FGs, 144 possible HBs, and only 13 Elders..)

-- And another thing: it would be awesome for the Elders to have their names too, in my opinion, because they also have fixed decks, and they've probably become elders for a reason :] (Baptize the Elders competition?)
I second the AI3 Naming competition  ;D

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Re: More AI3 decks http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24294.msg335915#msg335915
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2011, 12:57:11 AM »
Names would be awesome :)

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Re: More AI3 decks http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24294.msg337352#msg337352
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2011, 08:04:38 AM »
who on earth didnt want variety?
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Re: More AI3 decks http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24294.msg339559#msg339559
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2011, 01:53:02 PM »
Would you be interested in a greater variety of Elders?
Yes 100% i am kinda board of the ai3 we already have and i would like to face different varieties. :D
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Re: More AI3 decks http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24294.msg339668#msg339668
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2011, 05:13:58 PM »
Is it really more important to have new AI3 than to have new cards, T500, or a fix to desync?

I think not.

Besides, by the time players get bored of AI3, they should have the skill and resources to take on T50 or AI5. Or they could play PvP, which I prefer more than any AI.

Lastly, there are those that grind AI3 for score, but they will get bored of new AI3 quickly.
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Re: More AI3 decks http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24294.msg339698#msg339698
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2011, 06:02:00 PM »
Is it really more important to have new AI3 than to have new cards, T500, or a fix to desync?

I think not.

Besides, by the time players get bored of AI3, they should have the skill and resources to take on T50 or AI5. Or they could play PvP, which I prefer more than any AI.

Lastly, there are those that grind AI3 for score, but they will get bored of new AI3 quickly.
The question is not "is it more important than" but rather "would it be nice to?"

I think the answer is yes. Also, I strongly suspect that AI3 decks are a single line of text in the code of the program. Adding a few more lines wouldn't hurt that much, IMO.
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Re: More AI3 decks http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24294.msg340099#msg340099
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2011, 10:31:20 AM »
I think the problem is finding a balance if you add more decks.  I think adding more decks would cause there to be more decks too similar to T50.

And for now, with T500 in the works, it's tough to make any changes on any AI level.

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Re: More AI3 decks http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24294.msg340121#msg340121
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2011, 12:07:03 PM »
I think the problem is finding a balance if you add more decks.  I think adding more decks would cause there to be more decks too similar to T50.

And for now, with T500 in the works, it's tough to make any changes on any AI level.
That's why I proposed an AI3 Proposal section. That should work well enough. Anybody proposes AI3 decks and the Lead Developer Zanzarino may choose from them, take inspiration and rethink AI3 decks as he pleases, much like False Gods.
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Re: More AI3 decks http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24294.msg342429#msg342429
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2011, 01:09:34 AM »
T50 decks will never be similar to AI3.
1) Upgraded cards
2) Better deck building.

While AI3 is supposed to pose a minor challenge, it will never be in the same league as T50.
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