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Title: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Astrocyte on June 11, 2011, 03:03:29 AM
Just curious.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Jocko on June 11, 2011, 03:06:02 AM
I played ai1 a couple times, i don't remember why though.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: pikachufan2164 on June 11, 2011, 03:12:34 AM
Players without a coherent deck (symptoms include: an unnecessarily large deck, no clear goal or synergy in card choices, severe quanta balance issues, relies on an unreliable and complicated combo, etc.) often find themselves playing AI1 and AI2 because their decks can't stand up against the more structured AI3 decks.

This phenomenon seems to be more common in Kongregate than the main site, as there are usually a few people every now and then who complain (on Kong forums, Kong chat, Kong comment box, etc.) about how AI3 is "too hard."

Others like to test their weird deck ideas out on the lower AI levels.

For the last two updates (1.26 and 1.27), when Zanz rolled out a new update, the new cards aren't in the Bazaar until a few days have passed. Farming AI1 and AI5 (possibly also AI2) allowed players to obtain the new cards before their addition to the Bazaar, as AI1 and AI5 decks are randomly generated from the card pool.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: YoungSot on June 11, 2011, 06:01:21 AM
Others like to test their weird deck ideas out on the lower AI levels.
^ yeah this.
Testing decks in the trainer takes the fun out of it for me, so unless I need to vs a specific opponent, I'd rather test against the AI on my real account. Usually that means AI3 or T50, but if it's a really strange concept that I know will need a large amount of tweaking, I'll play the AI2 as a start.

As for the AI1, before I figured out how to grind efficiently, I would often spend too much electrum buying shiny new cards, and thus end up without enough to play my preferred AI match, so I would play an AI1 game to get enough electrum to play a higher level AI.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Rutarete on June 11, 2011, 06:05:03 PM
Others like to test their weird deck ideas out on the lower AI levels.
Precisely what I do.

Farming AI1 and AI5 (possibly also AI2) allowed players to obtain the new cards before their addition to the Bazaar, as AI1 and AI5 decks are randomly generated from the card pool.
AI1 makes sense, but AI5 is generated randomly? I thought it was just picking one of the decks at random like AI3 and T50.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Acsabi44 on June 11, 2011, 06:18:33 PM
Quote from: pikachufan2164 on Today at 03:12:34 AM

    Others like to test their weird deck ideas out on the lower AI levels.



same here
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: calcan on June 12, 2011, 01:42:18 PM
I sometimes play AI2 if I'm on a streak of bad luck. It never helps my luck.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Ashebrethafe on June 12, 2011, 09:53:16 PM
I beat at least seven AI2s before I start fighting AI3s -- more if I lose any AI2 fights. I'm not trying to complete the quests as fast as possible, though; I'm trying to complete the quests in the same manner with each element, in order to figure out which element is best for me, and which cards are best in each element. If a deck loses often enough, I'll go back to AI1 or even AI0! In fact, I'm playing AI1 now.

The worst decks I've had so far had two extra AI0 fights, immediately followed by at least ten AI1 fights. Since this is usually caused by the deck being too big, I take out a lot of cards when it happens, and then put a few back in after each fight. I also limit myself to one less copy of each card -- if you see "restricts" in my signature, that's what it refers to.

AI1 makes sense, but AI5 is generated randomly? I thought it was just picking one of the decks at random like AI3 and T50.
According to Dark Weaver (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,23323.0.html), AI5 chooses a primary and secondary element (which determine its name), and takes 4 quantum pillars, 30 random cards and 20 pillars of the primary element, 10 random cards and 3 marks of the secondary element. (For example, Tersa has 20 stone pillars, 30 random earth cards, 10 random gravity cards, and 3 marks of gravity.) Each of the 64 cards has a 30% chance of being upped (so there's about a 1-in-8.198-billion chance of the deck containing no upped cards).
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Rutarete on June 12, 2011, 10:02:59 PM
I beat at least seven AI2s before I start fighting AI3s -- more if I lose any AI2 fights. I'm not trying to complete the quests as fast as possible, though; I'm trying to complete the quests in the same manner with each element, in order to figure out which element is best for me, and which cards are best in each element. If a deck loses often enough, I'll go back to AI1 or even AI0! In fact, I'm playing AI1 now.

The worst decks I've had so far had two extra AI0 fights, immediately followed by at least ten AI1 fights. Since this is usually caused by the deck being too big, I take out a lot of cards when it happens, and then put a few back in after each fight. I also limit myself to one less copy of each card -- if you see "restricts" in my signature, that's what it refers to.

AI1 makes sense, but AI5 is generated randomly? I thought it was just picking one of the decks at random like AI3 and T50.
According to Dark Weaver (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,23323.0.html), AI5 chooses a primary and secondary element (which determine its name), and takes 4 quantum pillars, 30 random cards and 20 pillars of the primary element, 10 random cards and 3 marks of the secondary element. (For example, Tersa has 20 stone pillars, 30 random earth cards, 10 random gravity cards, and 3 marks of gravity.) Each of the 64 cards has a 30% chance of being upped (so there's about a 1-in-8.198-billion chance of the deck containing no upped cards).
Interesting. Thanks for the information.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Pineapple on June 13, 2011, 02:02:50 AM
I play ai1 to test my "how long it takes until I can take down a sandbag that can't fight back" ttw.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: ddevans96 on June 13, 2011, 05:37:29 AM
Occasionally, for the lulz, or when I've had horrendous luck with t50/FG and need to get on a win streak to save my ego.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Calindu on June 29, 2011, 05:30:31 PM
I play them 2 times to finish quests,lulz.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: willng3 on June 29, 2011, 06:20:18 PM
I play them if I want to reach an epic score amount of some number, but other than that I never play them.  I test all my weird deck ideas in the Trainer against AI3.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Thiefboy109 on June 29, 2011, 06:37:10 PM
I did that a bit to get some of the new cards. Like tower shield from Akebonos.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Marvaddin on June 30, 2011, 06:51:11 AM
AI2 have some cards not avaliable on AI3, and so sometimes I try 1-2 games and see if I get a lucky spin. Some time ago I got a Thunderstorm :D
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: ralouf on June 30, 2011, 07:12:52 AM
Lol gratz Marvaddin ;)
I never play them and test all mah weird deck vs AI3 in real game (too lazy to search the trainer).

Anyway if a deck can't beat AI3 I do not see the point to use it so..
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: DeathPanda1 on June 30, 2011, 08:21:44 AM
I dont touch them unlesssss
1. i've gone a spending spree and i got no money
2. trying a deck
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Chromatophore on June 30, 2011, 02:36:42 PM
Only times is do is
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Rutarete on June 30, 2011, 04:46:35 PM
AI2 have some cards not avaliable on AI3, and so sometimes I try 1-2 games and see if I get a lucky spin. Some time ago I got a Thunderstorm :D
What other cards besides thunderstorm?
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Sevs on June 30, 2011, 06:07:49 PM
I played AI0 about 30 times the other day to see if I could get a 2 turn win with vNG.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: DeathPanda1 on June 30, 2011, 07:29:14 PM
I played AI0 about 30 times the other day to see if I could get a 2 turn win with vNG.
:O did you?
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Hyroen on June 30, 2011, 07:33:18 PM
Maybe there could be something like an Ultimate AI1, where they start off with 100 of each quanta, all random cards and 0 pillars or pendula. To unlock this AI you'd have to face AI1 1000 times or something?

Unlocking AIs could be interesting.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Sevs on June 30, 2011, 08:17:49 PM
I played AI0 about 30 times the other day to see if I could get a 2 turn win with vNG.
:O did you?
No unfortunately :P
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: dracomageat on July 01, 2011, 09:03:42 PM
There are rumors that certain cards that aren't meant to exist can be obtained through AI1 and AI2...
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Sevs on July 02, 2011, 02:43:23 AM
There are rumors that certain cards that aren't meant to exist can be obtained through AI1 and AI2...
If you are talking about malignant cell. that is a no
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: DrOctaganapus2 on July 04, 2011, 07:48:48 PM
I farm 1 for items

2 for gold for 3

3 for score and cards

4 for a chance for upped cards
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Xsshstex on July 04, 2011, 08:19:38 PM
Testing deckz.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Marvaddin on July 06, 2011, 05:47:30 AM
AI2 have some cards not avaliable on AI3, and so sometimes I try 1-2 games and see if I get a lucky spin. Some time ago I got a Thunderstorm :D
What other cards besides thunderstorm?
I believe most cards not used by AI3 are used for some AI2. Dagger, for example, is in most AI2 decks, if not all. Some will have Dissipation Shield, Holy Light, Purify, Dragonfly...
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Ashebrethafe on July 08, 2011, 04:10:11 AM
I changed my system when version 1.28 came out. I'm now planning to beat eight AI2s before I start on AI3s, and each loss will cancel out three of those wins. (Previously, each loss would cancel one win, plus one win for each previous loss since the last time I went up a rank -- although dropping out of a rank and then returning to it would count.)

This change has made it easier for me to determine how much electrum I need to keep on hand in order to avoid having to drop down to AI1 prematurely -- in fact, it's a simple function of my "position" in the level, so I've put it into the chart I've been using to keep track of that position. It also seems like it'll practically eliminate the chance of dropping back to AI0: this will now require a win-rate of less than 75% against AI1, plus two more losses. (And it was already pretty low -- it's only happened twice so far, both times after fewer than three AI1 losses.) 
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Marvaddin on July 08, 2011, 05:04:15 AM
Curious... which deck are you using?
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: rowcla on July 11, 2011, 05:21:09 AM
new players stick to level 2 for a while, also sometimes i might be a bit strapped for cash and i might go against a lvl 1 so i can get some, and i go against lvl 0 sometimes for fun
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: EricNikhil on March 26, 2013, 04:14:47 PM
whenever i lose an AI3 or higher match i play AI2 matches to make up for lost score and electrum.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Demonite on March 27, 2013, 05:57:50 AM
I do. I was new to this, so I played AI1 and 2 couple times. But I rarely play those levels now. In case of out of electrums, I'll play.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: shadow303 on March 27, 2013, 07:49:53 PM
I play AI2 very rarely, only sometimes when I ran out of electrum or to test new decks.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Theboss1248 on June 18, 2013, 05:13:00 AM
Only play AI2 if I want to test a deck. No other reason to play against them imo
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Pella on June 18, 2013, 06:09:41 AM
For the first couple of months I played the game, I would upgrade a card every time I collected 1,500 :electrum.  Often, this would leave me without enough coins to play AI3 or higher, or Arena, so I'd be forced to play the lower levels until I had enough to play my regular opponents again.  After a while, I developed the habit of waiting to upgrade a card until I had 1,600 :electrum.  That way, even if I lose a few duels after the upgrade, I still have enough coins to play where I want.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: jawdirk on June 18, 2013, 08:36:58 AM
Sometimes I play against AI2 to do a quick test of new untuned decks.
Title: Re: Does anyone actually play AI1 or 2 after the tutorial?
Post by: Leodip on June 18, 2013, 08:58:11 AM
Just yesterday. Had 1504 Electrums, thought they were 1540, went upping one card and found myself with 4 electrums. The only thing I could do was playing the lower AIs.
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