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The HPKiller Arena Deck[Plat Farmer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52165.msg1107589#msg1107589
« on: November 05, 2013, 09:04:49 pm »
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New Sundial + Sofree+ SoP Version(Recommended, better in the majority of cases)
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What is the point of these decks? They are made to defeat those decks left up with exceptionally low HP. Versus 1HP Arena decks these all have 100% Winrate with 0ttw. Each and every one can pull out a creature first turn with most if not all(depends on the version) possible starting hands.

The new Sofree + SoP + Sundial version is slower, but isn't as easily outrushed, sometimes waiting for a OTK or 2TTK rather than a 3-4 TTK when it chains Sundials effectively. Mulligan has lots of fun with it though. Holding Sofree until the end can be a good tactic if your opponent is likely to PC it.

The shardless versions have Lightning just incase the opponent gets Sundials or Dimensional Shields out just before you can finish them. It can be an unlikely lifesaver, but a lifesaver nonetheless. They may be replaced quite easily by other cards of your choice. It may be worth noting that Sanctuary is a bad idea as it not only slows down the deck but it also would be the highest costing card and would stop your opponent from speeding you up with SoB.

These decks are made for a specific purpose, and for that purpose they work magnificently. I see no reason that anyone wouldn't want to farm with these. They may require luck in certain cases, but doesn't every deck?

The SoP version can easily take down decks with ~100HP or less in just 5-7 turns easily.

Comments and questions are always welcome.

If you still don't believe me, just watch the shardless version take down Dm1321 in one fell swoop.
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Beat Krzy too!

It works in PvP2 too! (hater gonna hate)

New Sofree + Sundial + SoP version.
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In PvP (top and bottom are same game)
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Re: The HPKiller Arena Deck[Plat Farmer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52165.msg1107604#msg1107604
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2013, 09:56:57 pm »
the fact that mindlessly putting free hitters (mostly without even using the quanta they produce) + a few sops and nothing else into a deck allows you to outrush a proper rush disturbs me; you could at least have tried and put in sth like sundials and Sofree, but no. Anyway, i really hope that mono air rush still beats this deck in almost every respect.
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Re: The HPKiller Arena Deck[Plat Farmer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52165.msg1107608#msg1107608
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2013, 10:01:04 pm »
MTG would call this a rainbow weenies deck, and I approve of such strategy

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Re: The HPKiller Arena Deck[Plat Farmer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52165.msg1107613#msg1107613
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2013, 10:14:49 pm »
the fact that mindlessly putting free hitters (mostly without even using the quanta they produce) + a few sops and nothing else into a deck allows you to outrush a proper rush disturbs me; you could at least have tried and put in sth like sundials and Sofree, but no. Anyway, i really hope that mono air rush still beats this deck in almost every respect.
Yes Mono Air usually beats this.

If you want to add Sundials or Sofree you can personalize it like that as you wish, I just found this to be most consistent and it works well for me. It has fast games and a rather simple strategy. Some things like placing SoP to stall a Mono Dark that will steal it next turn can lead to extremely close wins(Hi Krzy).

Added a new Sundial + Sofree + SoP version.
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Re: The HPKiller Arena Deck[Plat Farmer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52165.msg1107650#msg1107650
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2013, 11:59:24 pm »
Reminds me of my Sky Balls deck. Very fun to play, and these decks can get really hard to control without early pc. Thus, I approve of them. Nice screenshots. +rep for angry guy in pvp2.  ;D
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Re: The HPKiller Arena Deck[Plat Farmer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52165.msg1107664#msg1107664
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2013, 01:01:29 am »
Does anyone know the actually percentage of decks in the platinum arena that this deck can beat ? 
I'm playing platinum with PDials and it does not seem like there are a lot of 100 HP or less decks.  More, as should be, in gold-bronze.  Maybe a better gold farmer.   
It would be cool if this deck had a winrate.  Really fun deck to play!  Something about spamming cards with no cost is satisfying ;D

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Re: The HPKiller Arena Deck[Plat Farmer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52165.msg1107709#msg1107709
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2013, 05:06:10 am »
I would recommend something more like this:

Patient Blitz
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This deck is still likely to score the 1 Hit K-O that you want but it also has some survivability.  I still would not recommend this deck as a top tier Platinum Farmer.

If you would like a slower farmer that has a much higher success rate, I would recommend the following decks

Refraction Index
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Swallow
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1.32 Poison Dials
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Another Relatively fast deck is:

Speed Poison Kamikaze
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Re: The HPKiller Arena Deck[Plat Farmer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52165.msg1107729#msg1107729
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2013, 11:02:18 am »
laxnut you and I both know full well that I know of all of the decks you mentioned (except the Patient Blitz but I'll get to that shortly).

Speed Poison Kamikaze is cool but actually is worse versus Plat than Poison Dials in winrate and also gets countered by most of the same things as PDials. Swallow is just meh. I've never liked it personally. Refraction Index is extremely easily outrushed and countered by Plat decks.

As for Patient Blitz, it is just asking to be trolled over by mulligan and leave the player with a starting hand of sundials. In addition, the large amount of cards that can't deal damage alone increases the chance that you give a 1HP deck that gains the turn(s) it needs to set up and destroy you with impunity.

@DiscordRules2 There are no stats for this atm. Even if I did have a percentage for you, it would almost never be accurate since arena changes all the time. If you believe it makes more in Gold, go ahead, use it in Gold. :)

 

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Re: The HPKiller Arena Deck[Plat Farmer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52165.msg1107731#msg1107731
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2013, 11:28:15 am »
following.

I like this. Except no gemfinders :'(

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Re: The HPKiller Arena Deck[Plat Farmer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52165.msg1107737#msg1107737
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2013, 12:37:09 pm »
I think Im going to make that deck. I like it
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Re: The HPKiller Arena Deck[Plat Farmer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52165.msg1107741#msg1107741
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2013, 01:17:55 pm »
laxnut you and I both know full well that I know of all of the decks you mentioned (except the Patient Blitz but I'll get to that shortly).

Speed Poison Kamikaze is cool but actually is worse versus Plat than Poison Dials in winrate and also gets countered by most of the same things as PDials. Swallow is just meh. I've never liked it personally. Refraction Index is extremely easily outrushed and countered by Plat decks.

As for Patient Blitz, it is just asking to be trolled over by mulligan and leave the player with a starting hand of sundials. In addition, the large amount of cards that can't deal damage alone increases the chance that you give a 1HP deck that gains the turn(s) it needs to set up and destroy you with impunity.

@DiscordRules2 There are no stats for this atm. Even if I did have a percentage for you, it would almost never be accurate since arena changes all the time. If you believe it makes more in Gold, go ahead, use it in Gold. :)

I am sorry if I insulted you.  I was directing those suggestions more to the community as a whole, not to you personally.  You have been on the forums a lot longer than I have and probably know a lot more about the mainstream Arena farming decks.

As far as Patient Blitz is concerned, I agree that it should not be used as a platinum farmer.  I disagree, however with your assessment on the probability of getting a useless sundial hand. 

Doing the math, the probability of not getting a Ray of Light in your starting hand is

(18 cards (Not wanted):choose:7 cards in starting hand)/(30 cards total:choose:7 cards in starting hand)

This ends up being (18!/(7!*11!))/(30!/(7!*23!))=0.0156

The probability of not getting either a Ray of Light or a Dragonfly in your starting hand is only 1.56%.  If you consider the mulligan rule, the chances of getting one in your starting hand would increase slightly (i.e. eliminate possible hands where all costing cards are drawn).

I believe a greater than 98.44% certainty of scoring a 1-Hit KO against 1 HP decks is still very good odds. 
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Re: The HPKiller Arena Deck[Plat Farmer] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52165.msg1107817#msg1107817
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2013, 08:03:48 pm »
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I like this. Except no gemfinders :'(
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