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The Brave Malignant Ball That Could [OTK][FG][Plat][Gold][63%WR][49%EM] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48075.msg1054905#msg1054905
« on: March 28, 2013, 07:59:55 am »
The Brave Malignant Ball That Could
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Verified by CuCN in a 10 games against all FGs check:
63% WR ,
FGei (1.32) > 9k/hr (See Below For Improved FGei)
49% EM Rate

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Guide

Terms:
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OTK = One turn to kill
TTK = Two turns to kill
MTK = Multiple turns to kill
FG = False Gods
Cells = Malignant Cells
Balls = Ball Lightning
WR = Win Rate
SoPa = Shard of Patience
SoBr = Shard of Bravery
SoSa = Shard of Sacrifice
Dials = Sun Dial
AoE = Area of Effect

Gist:
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AI does not target Cells directly, only AoE.
Using SoPa you can build up to 23 Cells to do 200 damage OTK.
OTK is only an option many FGs it's faster or only possible to TTK/MTK.
Except Scorpio with Purify and Stealing a SoPa, FGs have no way to counter SoSa.
The FGs have a lot of Anti-CC combined with SoSa you can completely Jam their hands.

The Deck:
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Aflatoxin
The primary combo is Aflatoxin + Ball = Cell, where two casts can fill the board quickly (only one is needed).
No more than 2 casts are ever needed.  The spare Aflatoxins and Balls can be discarded or used as is under the right conditions.

It takes 8 turns to get to OTK damage from 1 Cell + SoPa.
It takes 9 turns to get to OTK damage from 1 Cell + SoPa against 2 HP Block Shield.
It takes 8 turns to get to OTK damage from 2 Cells + SoPa with a 2 HP Block Shield.

The first Aflatoxin should almost always go to the combo first. Exceptions are in scenarios like: If you are dry on balls and the opponent is Osiris and you need to Aflatoxin a SoFo.  (*See more of this in the FG section.) 

Additional Aflatoxins are helpful if you use them if you have to SoSa earlier and need the opponent to deal more damage. 
Against some FGs there are some neat tricks to pull on them.  (*See more in the Tricking AI section).
Finally, for their original intent of filling the enemies board who are using creatures with annoying powers to this deck, such as vampires, virus, SoFo, etc.

Ball Lightning
Against most opponents, they are just to be used as fodder.  They are preferable over other 0 cost creatures since they are 5/0, meaning you can have SoPa played ahead of time and Aflatoxin the Balls still work first turn.  Also, against opponents not having CC or TU, they because 7/2s, first turn with SoPa for quicker damage.  In general you won't use just the Balls though without the Aflatoxin, once you have cells going, rarely do you want to hold onto them and they become discard fodder.

Nova
In general, you will cast them when you get them, exceptions being against Blackhole and if you are forced to SoSa early.
In which case you will hold onto two so you can still play SoPa. 

Shard of Bravery
Obvious use, draw, and keep drawing.  In FG, and Arena on Plat and Gold you are not going to be able to force a deck out scenario.
Do note, with SoBr and Sundial you get the draw advantage over the AI.  Since they don't get to draw if you fill their hand, you are getting 5 cards to their 3 if you play this to it's maximum capability.
See more about SoBr usage in the Play Style section.

Shard of Patience
Except with high PC, it's safe to play SoPa early.  Against some opponents it's good to hold onto it until the Cells have filled the field, but more often then not cast one as soon as you can.

Shard of Sacrifice
In general, use Sundials before SoSa if possible.
If you don't have a SoPa out, hold onto two novas, if you are forced to SoSa early often it's safe too.
Remember the AI will hold onto creature cards if SoSa is in play.  So sometimes getting SoSa earlier is preferable against
some opponents, see the FG section.

Explosion
It's primarily there as a shield breaker.  Remember that, don't forget and waste it just because something annoying comes along.

Quanta
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To play every card and ability you need: 6x :water 28x :death 6x :light 8x :fire
The minimum you need is 5x :death and 2x :water
The usual needed is 13x to 18x :death 6x to 8x :fire 2x :water 0 to 6x :light

Play Style and General Tricks of the Trade

PC Target Rules
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AI
The AI will:
Destroy: Sundials > SoPa > Towers
Steal: SoPa > Sundial > Towers
The AI will not use destroy or steal abilities unless it has > than the quanta to do the ability.
The AI will sometimes wait 1 turn to steal or destroy a tower if it has no other target, but will target the towers eventually.

Player
You have one and only one explosion.
Primary target is always the shield for the win.  However, some AI have shields that can't be targeted an alternative target will be listed in the FG section.

CC Specific Target Rules
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The AI will not directly target Cells.
Only AoE, which usually won't trigger until when you have >= 5 creatures on the field.
Plague, one or two is not a worry, 3 is, only one FG you will need to worry about with this and it's rarely seen in Arena

Firestorm, at 3 damage, 1 cell + SoPa means the center cell will live at a 7/4 and the 2nd cell at 5/1.  Once Spawning against a 2nd Firestorm would reduce you to one cell, in which case you need to cast a 2nd Aflatoxin to get division rates up to live.  3 Firestorms and you're dead. Not having the SoPa out means you won't survive of course.

Desiccation and Thunderstorm, Arena only, like Firestorm, 3 and you're dead. 

Pandora's Box, doesn't follow the same rules, nor is it nearly the same threat as Firestorm, Desiccation or Thunderstorm.  Sometimes it's a blessing. A bunch of them though will still wreck your board.

Draw Rules
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If opponent has sanctuary is in play, SoBr does not work for you.  FGs don't play sanctuary, but in Arena, the sanctuary might quickly become a PC target.
Draw ability order in general is, play the cards you will need to first, such as the next sundial, or nova, up two three spaces free provided the opponent has 3 spaces free
Then cast SoBr, Play, then Sundial ability. 

Remember you don't need more than one or two balls and one or two Aflatoxins and more than two SoPa
Because of this don't worry about you're hand getting stuck with over drawing.  Instead draw aggressively.  You want to get the combo out as soon as possible and secure
Who cares if you get a 2nd SoPa, you can discard it.  The additional cards are to make sure you have good starts.

Also don't forget about the clutch pull, if you are in danger of losing the SoSa defense because of incoming damage and no stall,  Do what you have to. 
If you can only draw 2, then go ahead and cast SoBr to draw two.
The brittleness of this deck can show if you don't aggressively draw.

TTK or OTK
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Watching the opponents health meter and how many SoSa you have available is the key to this decision.  With the exception of some FGs such as Miracle, if you have the option for TTK go for it.  If you looked behind the math a 2 cell + 0 shield at turn 6 of cell division is > 100 damage and 7th turn is 143 damage.
Once you over the half way point, in other words, it's about 2 to 3 turns to get the OTK, while only 1 to 2 turns to get the kill and SoSa buys you 2 turns.
The general card play is, SoSa, End Turn, PoP SoPa, Attack, Attack.

Taking Damage
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It's safe in general to get as low as 70 HP, Before you SoSa.  60s are risking it.  Try not to SoSa early.  Try to make sure the opponent has 20+ damage, but sometimes with SoSa it can't be helped.  If you have to SoSa early, remember 10 damage is breaking even, just do what you can.

On Tricking the AI
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These are tricks to outsmart the AI, different 'styles' are listed for specific FG variants.
Beating Slow AI Starts
Most of the time you just wait it out, but sometimes it's sitting at something like 16 damage, or your hand is full of SoBr and you can't get started either.
Use these methods, I'll try to list the method to use with each FG in the FG section.
1.) Sometimes the AI might draw a lot of anti-CC and so they have a slow start, tossing out a Ball to be targeted that you don't need might help give it some
room.
2.) Rarely but sometimes, the AI has a steal, but that's exactly what you need to have SoSa work better.  Put out Two SoPa and have Explosion in hand
3.) Use an Aflatoxin to give them a small creature boost.

Beating Quicksand (General)
In general you don't need to worry unless you're opening hands is a bunch of towers.  Regardless, you can use the lead one at a time method to draw out more quanta. 

Extra Turn (General)
In general you don't need to worry about turns, but on the off hand chance you need an extra turn and you aren't going to die, the AI will foolishly reverse time you're Balls, giving you a free space since the cell division doesn't occur until attack, you can recast it in the free space, get the +2/+2 and watch it keep you alive.

Protecting SoPa, Sundial Method
In this case the only way to protect SoPa is with Sundials.  Cast 2 Sundials if you need to the stall to last.

Beating SoFo, Osiris Style
Cast Aflatoxin on SoFo, the AI will either:
1.) Eat the SoFo if a Scarab is out already.
2.) Catapult of the SoFo early.

Beating Purify, Scorpio Style
1.) Cast SoSa and Dial at the Same time, the AI will jump at purifying the SoSa if it has it, and you will take two damage only.
2.) Cast a Ball out before SoPa to do damage, the AI will only start to use purify on itself if it's hurt.
3.) Cast extra Aflatoxins on creature, the AI will purify it's creature.

Beating Chimera, Akebono Style
1.)Thanks to the Chimera bug, sometimes you can force the AI to play a Chimera for free using SoBr, this is usefully to try to go for if Akebono has SoFos out.
2.) Casting Aflatoxin on a Chimera will make Akebono recast Chimera which ends up kill the Chimera and leaving a cell.

Beating SoFo, Akebono Style
1.) Use the Beating Chimera, Akebono Style can be useful.
2.) Akebono will use Chimera despite a bad time if it has it and you put a Aflatoxin on a SoFo.
3.) Akebono will overdrive a SoFo for you sometimes, just give him some fodder to eat like a Sundial.

Beating Virus Plague, Incarnate Style
1.) The AI will waste plague if it doesn't see creatures on the board for a few turns but it has a reason to sacrifice for, such as bonewall, condors, etc.
2.) Use SoSa to force the AI to hold onto creatures, play down Aflatoxin on the opponents creature and let the cell division fill their field.

Beating Voodoo, Hecate Style
1.) The AI does not hold spells and so will still cast damage on Voodoo even though SoSa is in play.
2.) Hecate will risk an 18/2 voodoo making Aflatoxin fodder.
3.) The AI will target you're creatures for a kill over voodoo, using a Ball Lightning to misdirect a target at times is useful.

Beating Fractal Targets, Decay Style
1.) Keeping out a Ball Lightning will beat out most fractal targets, forcing the AI to target you're ball instead of their desired creature.

Additional Card Tricks for use in Arena
Flooding, Inundation doesn't work against use.  (Also noted for Neptune).
Against SoSa, Skull Shield, and Spine Carapace, use Sundials and SoPa to make it useless against you.
Against Overdrive, lead a few balls, the Overdrive makes some nice big balls. (Mentioned below).

Oracle Effect
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Starting Creature
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Often it's more of a problem then a help with this deck, go burn it on Arena for 3 turns first.
However, if you forget:
Use as Aflatoxin bate if it's low hit points, but note it splits to the center, so you get a slower expansion of cells often costing you a turn more to win.
Use Dragons as is.
Don't forget, Don't Aflatoxin and then sacrifice a virus, you don't get a cell.
Side Bars
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Divine Glory: -1 Aflatoxin, -1 Ball Lightning +2 Bone Wall
Octane: - 1 Aflatoxin, - 1 Ball Lightning + 2 Mirror Shield

FGei Improved
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Right now Voodoo Bravery and this deck are showing >9k/hr. in the 1.32 FGei study.  However, if you read the comments you will find a dirty little secret; not all FGs are created with the same card giving output.

I ran the math and if you skip all the FGs without 6 of at least one card, then the FGei will rise significantly.  No study has ever been tested this way and the FGei for 1.32 was missing this consideration all together. 

Because of this, for this deck, if you skip all the FGs of difficulty Medium, Hard, and Very Hard.  Also skip those without at least one + next to the Card Odds you're FGei will rise to 12k/hr. 

In addition, I think, but haven't confirmed: Skip all the FGs without at least 2 sets of 6 or more) could rise even more.  However, part of what I think makes this deck great, is unlike other grinders were you have to sacrifice score and WR to get a high EM/hr.  Still, if you want to get a higher EM.  Look into using this method and add more to you're skip list.  Also check over other grinders compared to this one and see if they knock out some of the 'Very Hard' set here as several of those are good grinding targets.

I have marked below the FGs using a + system for each set of 6.


Beating the False Gods
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I've actually beat every FG with this deck.  However, there are several you should just skip in general unless you want to see if you can beat them too.

Scale
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Very Easy (8)
90 to 100% WR no thought.

Easy (8)
90 to 100% WR with a trick or a bit of thinking

Medium (5)
70 to 90% WR

Hard (2)
<20% WR <70% WR (Maybe Skip)

Very Hard (6)
<=20% WR (Skip)
Note: These 6 skips are required to get FGei up to 9K/hr.

Very Easy
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Elidnis
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Card Odds: +
Methods: OTK (Sometimes TTK)
PC Target: Jade Staff
Slow Start Break: Aflatoxin Creatures or Ball Lightning Target
Exta Ball Safe: See Tricks
Risks: Twin Universe, Slow Start to Damage Sometimes.
Tricks: Ball Lightning Target Slow Start Break

Ferox
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Card Odds: ++
Methods OTK (Sometimes TTK)
PC Target: Feral Bond (For TTK)
Slow Start Break: Aflatoxin Creatures
Exta Ball Safe: Yes
Risks: Rush
Tricks: Has heal, but sometimes it just isn't enough and you can still TTK

[Gemini]
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Card Odds: ++
Methods OTK
PC Target: Phase Shield
Slow Start Break: Aflatoxin Creature
Exta Ball Safe: Ball Lightning Target Slow Start Break, usually not needed
Risks: Waiting for Explosion
Tricks: None

Lionheart
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Card Odds:
Methods: OTK (Sometimes TTK)
PC Target: Turtle Shield (For TTK)
Slow Start Break: Wait
Extra Ball Safe: No (technically can use for extra turn, but it's never needed)
Tricks: None

Miracle
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Methods: OTK
PC Target: Solar Buckler
Slow Start Break: Aflatoxin Creatures
Extra Ball Safe: Yes
Risks: Rush
Tricks: None

Neptune
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Card Odds: +
Methods: OTK (Rarely TTK)
PC Target: Permafrost Shield
Slow Start Break: Aflatoxin Creatures  or Ball Lightning Target
Extra Ball Safe: Only for Ball Lightning Slow Start Break
Risks: Slow Start into Explosive Damage
Tricks: You'll find that Neptune is usually easy, but once and a while coming off a slow start, will produce explosive damage, make sure stall is properly set.

Paradox
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Card Odds: +++
Methods: OTK
PC Target: Aether Tower
Slow Start Break: Aflatoxin Creatures or Ball Lightning Target
Extra Ball Safe: Only for Ball Lightning Slow Start Break
Risks: Stall break, means instant death with TUs
Tricks: None

Serket
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Methods: OTK or TTK
PC Target: Eclipse
Slow Start Break: Wait
Extra Ball Safe: Yes
Risks: Improper Stall
Tricks: Draw Aggressively, Mix Up SoSa and Dial Chain to get Proper Stall if necessary

Easy
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Card Odds: ++
Methods: OTK (Sometimes TTK)
PC Target: Dis Shield
Slow Start Break: Alfatoxin Creatures, Steal of SoPa
Extra Ball Safe: Sort of, expect it to be mutated repeatedly, nothing to rely on.
Risks: Explosion, Steal, Mutation Steal or Explosion
Tricks: Use Slow Start Break Methods to keep SoPa in play.

Destiny
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Card Odds: +++
Methods: TTK or OTK
PC Target: Electrum Hourglass
Slow Start Break: Aflatoxin Creatures
Extra Ball Safe: No
Risks: Mutation Steal or Destroy
Tricks: Spare Aflatoxins should target druids or creatures that get steal or destroy.

Fire Queen
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Card Odds: ++
Methods: OTK
PC Target: Weapons (there are two types)
Slow Start Break: Aflatoxin Creatures
Extra Ball Safe: See Tricks
Risks: Firelance
Tricks: Beware the firelance, you might think you will have enough HP for waiting for a SoSa, or Dials will protect you, but they won't.  Run as standard in general though.
If you have extra balls, you might want to toss them out so the AI will burn Fire Lance or  :air Quanta on them.

Graviton
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Card Odds: +
Methods: OTK (Sometimes TTK)
PC Target: Gravity Shield (Sometimes Titan)
Slow Start Break: Wait
Extra Ball Safe: No
Risks: Momentum, Explosions Firestorm
Tricks: Nothing formal.  Fortunately, it doesn't have enough firestorms or explosions to really shut you down.  Hold onto 2nd Ball + Toxin combo in hand, try to get all 3 SoPa cast, once and a while you find the situation right for increasing draw power by using two dials if you have the novas to support it.  Count opponent damage.  You only need 8 turns, so once you have 2 to 3 of the SoSa, just start relying on SoSa alone. If it fire storms a 2nd time, shoot for TTK.  Watch your card count.

Incarnate
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Card Odds: +
Methods: TTK (Accidental OTK)
PC Target: Bone Wall
Slow Start Break: Malignant Cell Creatures
Extra Ball Safe: No
Risks: Plague
Tricks: Use beating Virus Plague Instosis Style to beat the Plague risk.  Once the health bar is showing 200 OTK capable, launch for TTK.

Morte
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Card Odds: ++
Methods: OTK or TTK or MTK
PC Target: Bone Wall
Slow Start Break: Malignant Cell Creatures
Extra Ball Safe: Yes
Risks: Plague
Tricks: Use beating Virus Plague Instosis Style to beat the virus Plague risk.  Target the RoL, if Light Quanta is allowed up to 12, you need to go for OTK.  Try to let the cell division beat down the bone wall ahead of time by mixing up Dials and SoSa.  If 3x Plague has been dropped, count you're maximum output and go for MTK.

Osiris
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Card Odds: +
Methods: OTK (Sometimes TTK)
PC Target: Turtle Shield
Slow Start Break: Aflatoxin Creatures
Extra Ball Safe: No
Risks: Early SoFo, many SoFo
Tricks: Beating SoFo Osiris Method

Seism
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Card Odds: ++
Methods: TTK (Sometimes OTK)
PC Target: Diamond Shield
Slow Start Break: Wait
Extra Ball Safe: No
Risks: Rush, Diamond Shield
Tricks: Quick Sand Defense Method, Diamond Shield requires 2 extra turns to surpass, kill it with fire, otherwise TTK. 

Medium
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Methods: TTK/MTK but Make for Trying OTK, it just doesn't work out that it's an OTK.
PC Target: Tower Shield
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Risks: Early SoFo, many SoFo
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Risks: Blackhole
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Methods: MTK
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Methods: TTK or MTK
PC Target: Improved Dusk or Stolen SoPa
Slow Start Break: Wait
Risks: Rush, Indirect Voodoo Damage
Tricks: Use the Beat Voodoo Hecate Style Methods to increase you're odds.  Really though, you are hoping for a good opening hand and it not having a good opening hand.  Also use the SoPa Slow Start Break Rules.

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Methods: MTK
PC Target: Stolen SoPa (It'll happen)
Slow Start Break: Don't, just take the blessing
Risks: Steals, Grav Nymph, Death Nymph, Air Nymph
Tricks: Wait for cells to fill most of field before using SoPa, stop casting SoBr once SoPa is out, have Explosion in hand to kill SoPa when it gets stolen,
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Methods: MTK
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Slow Start Break: Aflatoxin Creatures, Stolen SoPa
Risks: Steals, Denial, Slow Damage
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Risks: Explosions, Slow Damage
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Risks: Butterfly Effect, Blackhole
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Risks: Explosions, Firestorm, Fire Buckler
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Risks: Unstable Gas, Slow Start Damage
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Re: The Brave Malignant Ball That Could https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48075.msg1054944#msg1054944
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2013, 01:37:36 pm »
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Taking the idea from a certain someone's deck involving the malignant cells don't get targeted and mix it with my big balls big speed.
The result seems superb so far, except against Dark Mater, but screw him anyways.

You might want some more pillars, because SoSa drains all other quanta. Which may or may not be a problem.
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Re: The Brave Malignant Ball That Could https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48075.msg1054950#msg1054950
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2013, 02:42:30 pm »
Use dials before sosa, get the combo out before sosa's
The nova's exist to just get the combo out as fast as possible, with bravery's and sundials, it should only take 1 to 3 turns (average 2) to have malignant cells growing.  If FG has no Perm Control, then your set, build to 200 damage OTK play like poison dials from there.  However with Bravery, you can make sure you have enough dials and sosas your your chain won't break.  Set yourself up, stop the burn through, and sit and wait.

Using Patience with FG with Steal can often mess you up anyways, for for focus and defrag you have a few more patience if they aren't very heavy PC control.  The mana here is tiny and your burning quick. you only need a total of 2 water, and 5 death really. and up to 6 fire, 11 death and 2 water, if you can't get that out of 6 novas, 6 bone towers and a firemark, your doing it wrong.

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Re: The Brave Malignant Ball That Could https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48075.msg1054952#msg1054952
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2013, 03:01:47 pm »
Clicking on this thread was a must because of the title :)

I don't think the AI is smart enough right now to Afla the BL right now, but.... I feel like the half the deck is 'wasted' in a way, because it's waiting for a combo (at the minimum, SoP + BL, both of which have a pretty low draw chance with their current copy count).
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Re: The Brave Malignant Ball That Could https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48075.msg1054962#msg1054962
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2013, 03:37:29 pm »
My first 29 games with this outside the trainer

1 EM Win Elidnis
1 EM Win Scorpio
3 EM Win Lion Heart
1 EM Ferox
2 EM Wins Osiris, only threat is the shards of focus, but AI can easily misuse or be tricked with it
2 Wins 1 EM Oblierator -> If early pulvy, hold patience until cells have grown
2 EM Win against Incarnate -> AI will still plague cells make sure patience is out for cells to live combo is harder to achieve
1 Loss Decay -> Can steal patients so this is more of a hunt and peck, lesson learned make sure cells have grown to atleast 12 slots before playing patients.
Hold onto 2 novas and one patient, harder than incarnate but I think winnable
1 Win 1 Loss Eternal Phonixs -> First time stomped me, 2nd, won by the skin of my teeth
2 EM Wins Graviton and 1 loss, Both wins by the skin of my teeth, loss because I misclicked on a ball and the AI firestormed me
1 Win Gemini
1 Loss 1 Win Seism, screwed up playing dial and sosa at same time first game, second long 17 turn game, non EM
1 Loss Fire Queen
1 Loss Octane, Octane's crushes this
1 EM Win, 1 Loss Dark Matter - Got lucky with perfect starting draw
2 Loss Morte - Plagues heavily
1 EM Destiny
1 Win Divine Glory

21/29 right now...
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Re: The Brave Malignant Ball That Could https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48075.msg1054964#msg1054964
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2013, 03:49:07 pm »
The result seems superb so far, except against Dark Mater, but screw him anyways.

'Tis true :P

I'll probably play around with this deck later, don't have much time now. Love your decks. I think I like this crossover even better than your original :3
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Re: The Brave Malignant Ball That Could https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48075.msg1054972#msg1054972
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2013, 04:27:00 pm »
The only person I have given more rep to at this point is Chapuz :)

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Re: The Brave Malignant Ball That Could https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48075.msg1054975#msg1054975
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2013, 04:37:51 pm »
Just wondering was this a play off of my malignant cell FG farmer?
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Re: The Brave Malignant Ball That Could https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48075.msg1054998#msg1054998
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2013, 06:14:23 pm »
Hazardus10,
Yes, I built 90% of this deck as a ball lightning rush deck with OTK ability I called Big Balls.
It had an ok win rate and is fast, however, it's tricky and sucks against AoE and PC control FG.
I was reading your thread and was thinking about it in the shower and said, hey, I don't have to worry about the AoE FG if I use cells.  However, I tried your deck and found the RoL having 1 to many HP for good flow and when it lost a lot do to not getting the combo fast enough.  The Bravery/Sundial combination of Big Balls provides the draw rate and stall rate needed to make combos a lot more consistent, so I swapped the fractals for antiflax took out the shield and added sosas.  Switch the steal to deflags and it works very well.  So yes, you are that certain someone I was hinting at, in the first post.

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Re: The Brave Malignant Ball That Could https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48075.msg1055053#msg1055053
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2013, 11:58:07 pm »
Hazardus10,
Yes, I built 90% of this deck as a ball lightning rush deck with OTK ability I called Big Balls.
It had an ok win rate and is fast, however, it's tricky and sucks against AoE and PC control FG.
I was reading your thread and was thinking about it in the shower and said, hey, I don't have to worry about the AoE FG if I use cells.  However, I tried your deck and found the RoL having 1 to many HP for good flow and when it lost a lot do to not getting the combo fast enough.  The Bravery/Sundial combination of Big Balls provides the draw rate and stall rate needed to make combos a lot more consistent, so I swapped the fractals for antiflax took out the shield and added sosas.  Switch the steal to deflags and it works very well.  So yes, you are that certain someone I was hinting at, in the first post.

I am always glad to see, when another player is able to create an amazing and efficient deck. This might just be my new FG farmer :)
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Re: The Brave Malignant Ball That Could https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48075.msg1055093#msg1055093
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2013, 02:11:22 am »
I swapped the Explosion for a Steal, because I like the utility it has, on the chance I can play it. Kept the remaineder of the deck the same.

0-1 Morte (Plague OP)
0-1 Elidnis (Terrible draw)
1-0 Paradox (OTK win)
0-1 EP (Terrible draw)
0-1 Octane (UG OP)
T.T Serket (Could have been an easy win, but my spacebar locked down and I couldn't play anything)
T.T Ferox (^ - at this point I switched keyboards)
0-1 Neptune (He had a terrible draw so my SoBes weren't effective and his damage was too low for SoSa to help)
1-0 Fire Queen (Played three novas snd two bone towers on turn 1, stole a bond, and played the combo...singularity doesn't have negative effects if it doesn't attack, so this set me up for the whole game)
0-1 Rainbow (Everything OP)

So 2-6 in legitimate games. Not bad, I guess. Might test more later.
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Re: The Brave Malignant Ball That Could https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48075.msg1055106#msg1055106
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2013, 03:37:26 am »
Yea, I've played about 50 games now.

Morte, impossible because he plagues so hard, incarnate will plague too but it doesn't have enough plague power over come the cells if you already have the SoPa in play, especially not for two rounds, it's a longer game but can be an EM if you lead it, octane is too fast and explosions wipe the cells too.  It's a shame the two easiest you fought were when you keyboard didn't work.  Neptune don't rush him, he usually gets stuck if he doesn't have enough water so instead go ahead and use extra cards if you double up all balls and antiflax.  Rainbow, I haven't come across yet for whatever reason so I have no idea. 

I've noticed 1 out of 10 games you get a terrible draw.

Thanks for trying out the deck !!!

Advice if you like it,
You don't need the steal, and it will get in the way sometimes.  The deflag is easily cast from your hand without being stuck waiting for 3 novas on FG you don't have to worry about the shield for.  Instead drop it on a weapon or tower for those FG.  I love steal too, but it doesn't belong.  Flow is very important, and in this kind of deck, one card interfering preventing the full 3 draw of an SoBe or having to throw away a card because it's in the way means the difference between a win or a loss.

Also remember that unlike my big balls deck, you can play the nova/nova/sopa and the ball/antiflax asynchronously, and sometimes it's best to hold the nova/nova/sopa until the cells and divided enough times allowing you to play the SoSas to buy your time, or with decks that have perm control, if you have 23 cells and can cast it for but one turn.

 

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