Post by: ralouf on August 03, 2011, 07:23:25 am
After playing even more I finally found that : THA GOLD LEAGUE KILLER V2.0
Deck Helper comment:
The deck below was posted before the 1.32 game update and as a result may work very differently now. Use at your own risk.
Just awesome.. sometimes got amazing streak vs gold league (record is 32 wins in a row currently). It can be anything, have ton of synergy, can answer to everything and is WAY more funny just because I use SoSe games are more varied. My favourite deck currently.
here it is : Tha gold league killer V1
nothing really special, wings can win games alone, like discord+BH. The rest is just creature, all are quite abvious choice.
Ulitharid >>> abyss crawler just because oty, maxwell and squizz are present in almost every decks.
I choose archangel because sader is good but can suxx depending what the field looks like.. Moreover archangel can heal his friend or himself which is pretty usefull vs fire stall (and there is a lot of fire stall...)
Actually the deck is a mix between JMZ classic (the TU, 2 steal..) and TADAbow (discord + BH) and my personnal touch : recluse + wings.
Other good deck vs gold league, tested and approved : the JMZ-SW, by SnoWeb :
More CC, no wings.. very different deck but work the same way.
Thoughts ?
Post by: TheIdioticIdiot on August 03, 2011, 10:05:52 am
Post by: ralouf on August 03, 2011, 10:33:33 am
Post by: TheManuz on August 03, 2011, 11:39:46 am
I need many upped cards to build this deck, though (12 to be exact).
I wonder how it works with some unupped???
Post by: ralouf on August 03, 2011, 01:09:22 pm
BH,mind flayer, steal, wings, forest specter, TU and discord may be played unupped I guess.
Actually the cards which NEED to be upped are SN, HG, archangel and maybe towers. Anyway I advise you to upp those cards because they all will be usefull in many other deck.
Post by: TheManuz on August 03, 2011, 01:34:15 pm
Obviously it'll be worse unupped. BUT some cards will be very similar and don't really need to be upped to work :I've got Towers, Supernovas, 1 Recluse, 1 BlackHole, Explosion, Lava Destroyer, Electrum Hourglass, 2 Improved Steal.
BH,mind flayer, steal, wings, forest specter, TU and discord may be played unupped I guess.
Actually the cards which NEED to be upped are SN, HG, archangel and maybe towers. Anyway I advise you to upp those cards because they all will be usefull in many other deck.
I guess the must is the ArchAngel. Maybe i can try to play a Crusader (upped)?
Post by: ralouf on August 03, 2011, 01:53:41 pm
Shrieker is very good upped too.
You can try it semi upped then post your list and your feedback it will be very nice :)
Post by: Plantifant on August 03, 2011, 03:17:53 pm
Post by: ralouf on August 03, 2011, 03:20:07 pm
Post by: Plantifant on August 03, 2011, 07:12:08 pm
Really, great job ;)
Post by: Jappert on August 03, 2011, 07:46:04 pm
I'd definately add either momentum or a charger in that deck btw. You will want to be able to bypass shields! Lava Destroyer/Shrieker/Spectre/Archangel + momentum vs dimshield stall = win.
Spoiler for my earlier post:
I have tons of decks lying around, I think the one I'm using is a variant of Willng3's T50 farmer.
Correct me if I'm wrong ;)
Momentum + Chaos power + TU does wonders, no need for a charger rly. Results have been great for me. Score + elec gain is huge (not that it matters), I haven't bothered to keep statistics though.
Post by: MeetJSquared on August 03, 2011, 08:37:41 pm
I used JMZ for Platinum last night before I went to bed, and I got lucky enough to win my first three games which was enough to satisfy me (unlucky spin though). I occasionally use it for Platinum for variety and have gotten some decent results. The reason I ask is because of the one less win for a spin, slightly less number of decks, and higher abundance of <100hp decks from aging(at least from what I've seen).
And how are quanta issues? I seem to be unlucky with running 5 towers with any rainbow and feel like just adding another QT and running 31 cards. Any input on that as well?
Post by: Plantifant on August 03, 2011, 08:42:21 pm
Post by: ralouf on August 03, 2011, 08:50:35 pm
It works quite bad vs platinum when I tried it. Anyway the rewards are really similar so.. I don't really have signifiant quanta problem.. but it'll works with +1 QT of course it won't change the deck
Post by: Opsinis on August 04, 2011, 12:13:20 am
This works abnormally well for me, as I have a problem with the RNG (who doesn't?). I was running JMZ Classic but found this and was blown. Although it may be similar to other decks (which I care not about), bravo.
Post by: ralouf on August 04, 2011, 12:19:11 am
And yes I find this deck better than JMZ for silver
Post by: Jappert on August 04, 2011, 05:05:59 am
Than you were lucky indeed, because rushing Platinum is like rushing an FG, but worse.Sorry for going off-topic Ralouf but I wanted to react on this.
Rushing Platinum is a very solid tactic, esp the non permanent dependant immorushes can kill a platinum deck before it get's set up. Matches will also be very fast, wich is a plus aswell.
Post by: Jaymanfu on August 04, 2011, 05:15:22 am
Post by: ralouf on August 04, 2011, 07:17:04 am
Jay : yep the deck works good and I hink it has an awesome win rate vs silver obv
Post by: TheManuz on August 04, 2011, 10:38:37 am
Replaced Archangel with Upped Crusader, and many unupped cards.
Post by: Plantifant on August 04, 2011, 11:22:30 am
Yeat true, but there are many immo rushes and rainbow deck with a good shield, and a lot of quick CC.Than you were lucky indeed, because rushing Platinum is like rushing an FG, but worse.Sorry for going off-topic Ralouf but I wanted to react on this.
Rushing Platinum is a very solid tactic, esp the non permanent dependant immorushes can kill a platinum deck before it get's set up. Matches will also be very fast, wich is a plus aswell.
So yeah there was luck.
ONTOPIC: I made 10K in a couple hours with this deck lol.
Post by: Cowbiterman on August 04, 2011, 01:27:53 pm
Post by: Xsshstex on August 04, 2011, 06:31:15 pm
+rep
Post by: ralouf on August 04, 2011, 10:26:28 pm
@ Manuz : yeah this looks very good ! give us some feedback after playing a little with that !
@ Cow : Didn't mind this deck can beat FG lol ^^ but discord BH can allow you to do this I guess :p
@ Xsshstex : TY I used it too during few weeks
@ Plantifiant : I made 180k score since arena is out and I mainly used this deck, specially since 3/4 weeks it is awesome how it increase your score !
Post by: TheManuz on August 05, 2011, 01:43:13 pm
After that, though, i got a very unlucky serie, where i always got too few pillars, and i was always short on quanta.
I have to test it more.
Post by: Xsshstex on August 05, 2011, 06:49:33 pm
Maybe not the win rate or Fire Stal or IGP, but it's faster; and faster is better (unless you want a 10-1 W/L Ratio)
Post by: ralouf on August 05, 2011, 08:46:34 pm
I didn't test fire stall or IGP in arena but the first is slow and boring and the second is SLOOOOOW but very good ^^
This deck win in 1min30, 2mins, maybe sometimes 5 minutes vs a big stall or a very slow deck but most of the time you win more than 100 gold every 2 mins :)
example : I'm playing since 10 mins and I already got a special spin :)
Post by: Xsshstex on August 05, 2011, 09:55:58 pm
Post by: ralouf on August 05, 2011, 09:57:56 pm
But in average game take less than 2 mins
Post by: Jappert on August 05, 2011, 10:08:50 pm
Post by: Xsshstex on August 05, 2011, 10:12:14 pm
What kind did you watch? :)
Post by: TheManuz on August 05, 2011, 11:23:56 pm
Post by: wespebbles50 on August 05, 2011, 11:50:16 pm
Post by: Xsshstex on August 06, 2011, 01:13:40 am
Post by: Plantifant on August 06, 2011, 06:11:25 pm
nice deck i have been farming gold for 3 hours total won 105 and lost 15 and score improved crazySame here, I'm in the top100, well almost :p
Post by: ralouf on August 06, 2011, 06:21:13 pm
Post by: Plantifant on August 14, 2011, 07:13:19 pm
Ralouf, you just made a FG killer too.
I gave this deck too a friend of mine, and we decided to have some fun with FG's.
Well, the result, we killed pretty many of them.
Just won from Obli and won 2 cards.
Again, Geat Job!
EDIT: I kept editing my wins at gods here, but the list is just getting too big.
Btw, you can beat every single god with this!
Thats amazing.
It has a high win rate too, you only need too luck the god with ulitharid, discord, blackhole, and wings ( sometimes a spider too)
Those cards make this deck amazing.
You don't even need them all together.
But a ulitharid and a discord is pretty important.
Post by: Toxx on August 15, 2011, 10:37:03 am
Post by: Addicted on August 16, 2011, 07:40:09 pm
Post by: Xsshstex on August 16, 2011, 09:30:56 pm
9 quanta will take a few turns to get to.
Post by: Plantifant on August 17, 2011, 02:45:33 pm
I wouldn't use an amber nymph in this particular deck.Actually, It will take more than a few turns.
9 quanta will take a few turns to get to.
The deck is based on trowing snovas and spam your cheap creatures.
So no, don't put it in.
Post by: Toxx on August 27, 2011, 06:32:26 pm
Post by: phaedrus on August 27, 2011, 10:57:21 pm
If it beats gold in a way that is fun to play (decent win ratio+fun games) I'll be stoked.
I think its more likely in the category of decks which look like this, beat silver consistently and beat gold enough to make money.
When it comes to farming, I care more about fun than money, and am glad to have another deck option to go to when I get bored.
And as far as decks of this variety go, I think my favorite at the moment is...
Lacking a few ups, but they aren't really necessary.
Post by: Xenocidius on August 27, 2011, 11:45:04 pm
Post by: Xsshstex on August 29, 2011, 12:22:48 am
Y U no use Phase Recluse?tU is more effective in most situations. The Phase Recluse may only cost 4, but it's weak (hp-wise); while tU can target one of your shriekers/golem/angel or the opponent's creature.
Post by: ranch99 on August 30, 2011, 11:46:20 pm
that has +1 Oty and -1 black hole. I know I got lucky, because whenever
I needed to draw a card I got it. It's fun to play against false gods with a 30
card rainbow deck.
The best way to make money against false gods with this deck, is to quit
games where you don't have a good draw. An early discord against any non-rainbow
deck is worth playing. An early Oty against Ferox is great. Gods with few airborne
creatures are worth playing. The win percentage isn't the best, but the speed of the
games makes up for it.
Thanks OP for making this deck.
Post by: PlayerOa on September 04, 2011, 12:49:11 pm
Post by: ralouf on September 04, 2011, 03:46:27 pm
This deck is awesome for example yesterday I played 15 games won 10 got 2 special spins and 5 EM..
Post by: andyis on October 01, 2011, 06:06:31 pm
Post by: furballdn on October 01, 2011, 07:04:28 pm
Post by: ralouf on October 03, 2011, 07:32:00 pm
Post by: furballdn on October 04, 2011, 05:40:10 am
gl to build it and don't forget to post feedback if you test it :)Upped another SN today. It's working quite nicely. On my search for a good arena farm deck, it started out as a pvp graboid rainbow, but now it's looking more like a scrambled shriekers deck with most of the earth cards replaced with rainbow cards.
I'm wondering though, would a sanctuary or morning glory be a good fit for the archangel? or improved blessing? Sanctuary protects against BH, which is surprisingly uncommon in the arena, while a morning glory is a good 8/5 light card. I'm currently using an improved blessing for my shrieker, but I also added in improved antimatter for using :entropy quanta. Basically, I'm putting all my upped cards in a deck :P
I find for me personally, two precogs work better than an HG. I have the upgraded HG, but only 2SNs, and I need time quanta for graboids so I have 2 precogs for fast draw.
Post by: ralouf on October 04, 2011, 07:37:58 am
HG is good because you can draw multiple cards with it and it has a better targeting priority than wings or discord and that can make you win a game.
Post by: SnoWeb on October 04, 2011, 12:08:17 pm
Post by: ralouf on October 04, 2011, 04:20:35 pm
Post by: SnoWeb on October 05, 2011, 05:55:51 am
This version is slightly shifted toward CC and less on attackers. The pulveriser and the crusader were early addition by essence I think. Their use is obvious. I think the bloodsucker adds a lot of synergy with both Epinephrine and Maxwell (the best addition I made IMO). The presence of both Otyugh and pulveriser makes it still a bit heavy on gravity so you really have to think before if you really need to play the otyugh. I tried to play without it but I found it very useful against both graborush and immogolems. Rewind and Nightmare are both antirush. Nightmare compensate the loss of BH for healing, gives a better denial effect in platinum (just choose wisely the target) and inflict an additional damage ...
I'm glad you like it.
Post by: furballdn on October 05, 2011, 05:58:44 am
Post by: SnoWeb on October 05, 2011, 06:35:12 am
For the effect see below:
(http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/10/08/58/46/exampl10.jpg)
Post by: ralouf on October 05, 2011, 08:11:32 am
Post by: gumbeh on October 05, 2011, 11:18:56 am
Post by: SnoWeb on October 05, 2011, 12:29:57 pm
Adrenaline is an odd choice for a deck without Momentum or Chargers. Lots of wasted damage vs shields. Mitosis might actually work out better in this situation? You have many creatures with useful skills - Mito the most important creature for the situation you're facing!Adrenaline synergise well with all these creatures with 3 atk. Momentum just lower the damage of said creatures. Most shields are either sensible to PC or CC (hope). The other 2 are unimportant. Mitosis does not work well in a QSN, IMO.
Post by: ralouf on October 05, 2011, 04:15:59 pm
Post by: furballdn on October 08, 2011, 02:15:11 am
Post by: stewie on October 14, 2011, 03:27:13 pm
Post by: omegareaper7 on October 14, 2011, 03:45:11 pm
It would be okay if I had discords... why the hell is so difficult to win discord? Where can i farm discord? anyone know?Because its rare maybe? You get them from spins against decks with them in it.
Post by: parasite99 on October 14, 2011, 06:11:04 pm
I mostly used it lately for farming bronze and silver with -1 explosion +1 SoSe and this deck owns and is also fast.
+rep for you sir
It's the most solid/fast snbow deck I have tried so far!
Post by: ralouf on October 14, 2011, 09:06:56 pm
Glad you like the deck, and currently I think I'll have to think with the news shards in the metagame maybe. SoSe is a very good card, generate a lot of CA (card advantage : 3 cards for 1) but can give you crappy cards though.. Anyone else tried it ? what did you removed for this ?
Post by: parasite99 on October 14, 2011, 09:27:17 pm
I don't know if more PC will be needed for gold, though I manage to win also dim shield spam decks thanx to growers and TU and some well timed steals.
I have most problems vs Antimatter decks which make me deckout if they have a clogged hand with antimatters.
About SoSe now...till now I found it very helpfull instead of explosion. Ok some times it gives you crappy cards but most times you get some decent cards that you don't have in your deck.
You get cc that you don't have, and also if you didn't draw a shield or weapon you get some of those. It gives you the first card as entropy (many times you get 2 entropy cards) and think about how many times it can have a werewolf, discord, cp, SN (saved me on crappy draws couple of times) and it also gave me many times an abomination and BE as 2/3 combination. Just wait to play your novas and creatures and when your hand is half empty you can play 3 more cards. I also got a crazy purify when I was about to loose vs a poison deck :O
I have played more than 100 games with this version and I think it helped me win many more times than it didn't and if you think about it even if 2 card are usefull, let's you get some kind of cc or pc and a SN or an entropy creature - it rules. Who wouldn't like 7 SNs in his deck after all?
And the most important reason it's a lot of fun and removes boredom from farming. (Btw I never discard it if I have a clogged hand, that's how much I liked it so far)
Give it a spin and you can see yourself ^^ have fun and thx again for the nice deck man <3
Post by: ralouf on October 14, 2011, 10:03:44 pm
I already a speedbow with even 6 Sose it went 45-0 vs silver lol ^^
Have fun with the deck man :)
Post by: rgurgelles1 on October 15, 2011, 12:35:47 am
but to think of it more than ten is to be upped just to build it...hmmm
Post by: furballdn on October 15, 2011, 12:38:01 am
Post by: ralouf on October 15, 2011, 06:58:02 am
@ furballdn : I like this deck for the same reason : the deck can have have different playtyle to adapt, depending which deck you're facing and I think that it is the reason why the deck win that much often ! Happy to know you like it, have fun ;)
Post by: Colossus on October 17, 2011, 01:39:38 am
thanks for this complete feed-back ! I think I'll edit the OP when the Sosac code will exist on forum.Care to share that deck, ralouf? I know you want to wait for the deck image to get updated, but even with the ?? cards, I'd still like to see it and sure others would too.
I already a speedbow with even 6 Sose it went 45-0 vs silver lol ^^
Have fun with the deck man :)
On topic, thanks for an amazing deck!
Post by: NikaZaslavsky on October 17, 2011, 03:39:37 am
Post by: furballdn on October 17, 2011, 04:22:06 am
So, what is the best semi-upped version?Actually, only the supernovas need to be upped. Upping anything else makes a small difference, but not as much as the supernovas. Flesh recluse would probably be next priority because it's so much better upped. HG might also be a good choice.
Post by: ralouf on October 17, 2011, 04:39:42 am
Considering the uppgrade that seems obvious choice : SN is the priority, then QT
For the other card, the one which gets the bigger boost are the best : recluse gain +3 attack : high uppgrade priority. wings or BH just cost one less quanta : very low priority. U got it ?
Have fun all :)
Post by: ralouf on October 17, 2011, 06:22:29 am
SoSe deck is here, but it doesn't works well against plat/gold for me
Post by: rgurgelles1 on October 17, 2011, 09:02:39 am
@rgurgelles : give it a try if you have the upped cards, I think you'll like it ! (moreover QT and SN are used in many many deck so it is worthy to uppgradde them)hehe...tnx...i begun to upgrade my cards but they are still not enough to build the deck....:)
@ furballdn : I like this deck for the same reason : the deck can have have different playtyle to adapt, depending which deck you're facing and I think that it is the reason why the deck win that much often ! Happy to know you like it, have fun ;)
Post by: NikaZaslavsky on October 17, 2011, 11:23:25 am
Post by: Brontos on October 17, 2011, 12:03:04 pm
Quite SN dependant, but awesome in the average game.
Post by: ralouf on October 17, 2011, 01:42:04 pm
Post by: furballdn on October 18, 2011, 01:26:09 am
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32565.msg440499#msg440499Eh...I'm not too large a fan of SoSe. Not only do I not have any, but they seem a bit too random to be very useful. I prefer your awesome mix of tadabow and wingbow.
SoSe deck is here, but it doesn't works well against plat/gold for me
Post by: stewie on October 19, 2011, 01:44:56 pm
Post by: ralouf on October 19, 2011, 02:06:59 pm
Post by: furballdn on October 20, 2011, 01:27:51 am
Post by: stewie on October 20, 2011, 05:59:29 am
Post by: Brontos on October 20, 2011, 10:38:39 am
You know most SN bow are SNdependant.. Hope you like it though.If you can add a few precogs to the list, it would make it draw the SN quicker.
Anyway, your deck is really good and I liked it. I'm working on my own SNbow now, i guess all noobs like le have to do it themselves before understanding deckbuilders like you. :P
Post by: ralouf on October 20, 2011, 12:04:01 pm
Post by: furballdn on October 21, 2011, 12:49:40 am
Post by: ralouf on October 21, 2011, 04:26:00 am
Blessing isn't bad but I don't want to remove any of the cards in the deck to play blessing.
Post by: furballdn on October 21, 2011, 04:59:31 am
As you said HG have a high PC priority, so your opponent will destroy it instead of wings, that can make you win. Moreover the fact that it is reusable is way better too. Seeing your opponent hand is rather useless because you have no CC and you don't really need to see your opponent hand to know how to use PC.Precog can be useful at times because if you know your opponent has some CC cards in his hand and you want to drop your lava golem, you could make use of a black hole at the right time to deny him of that turn and quickly bring your lava golem out of bolt range. Mind flayer I found is very, very useful in this deck, and makes me want to drop it at the beginning of every match so I can shut down otys and FFQ.
Blessing isn't bad but I don't want to remove any of the cards in the deck to play blessing.
On a general basis, the decks that are a bit difficult for this in the arena is mono aether, maxwell, early otys, heavy CC, antimatter, and bh. On a whole, mono aether is probably the most annoying with their lobotomizers, phase dragons, dimesnional shields, and twin universes.
Post by: Robergsan on October 21, 2011, 08:48:41 am
Post by: ralouf on October 21, 2011, 09:10:28 am
Post by: xsindomanx on October 21, 2011, 10:00:13 pm
Thinking of changing the archangel to a crusader, just because I found that heal was often unnecessary (killed immediately or never), and because archangel is rather difficult to put on the field in the first few turns. Somehow adding a FFQ would allow for the destroyer to come out much faster, and even possibly add a fire shield, but that would turn into a completely different deck with no wings :P
Post by: furballdn on October 21, 2011, 11:08:28 pm
I found this to be the best working deck with at least 50-60% winrate (although since the arena is so large, it's not very easy to get spins)True. The only time I really felt that the archangel was useful was because of its high 7 atk. I rarely find myself using the heal.
Thinking of changing the archangel to a crusader, just because I found that heal was often unnecessary (killed immediately or never), and because archangel is rather difficult to put on the field in the first few turns. Somehow adding a FFQ would allow for the destroyer to come out much faster, and even possibly add a fire shield, but that would turn into a completely different deck with no wings :P
Post by: parasite99 on October 21, 2011, 11:21:42 pm
First of all for the 7dmg/7hps. Ok, we love the 7 attack for 6 quanta, but don't uderestimate the 7 HPs. So...7/7 is the reason why archangel is so great, cause there is no CC instead of bolts with high quanta that can kill this BEAST!!
Second, it's not usefull to endow your weapon if you just use discords in your deck and you can't really wait for your opponent to play some cool weapon.
Angel saved me many many times while playing this deck and I farmed with it more than 400 games in bronze and silver to get the new shards (mostly bronze tbh). Archangel can heal when the stupid AI plays fire storms that doesn't kill all creatures except 1-2, also saves a whole field when AI uses plague. Not to mention the times that it hits the angel with all kinds of CC that don't kill it.
Just use it as a shield and in 2-3 rounds it might absorb 2-3 cc cards that would hit your other creatures (if you know you are against a cc deck like fire for example).
Not to mention that no creature dies from Fire shield when the Angel is on the field!!
Another trick I use many times is when against a fire deck with cc or fire stall I use my TU on the angel if i get em both quickly. That move is almost a gg against most fire decks, since the AI is so stupid to use a rage potion without killing the angel, or throw a bolt at it with less than 20 fire quanta (needs 20+ to kill a 7hp creature).
To cocnclude while crusader is much better in a control-bow like JMZ the archangel is a "must" in this great deck by ralouf.
+1 for Archangel and +1 for ulitharid instead of crawler in this deck....both gave me countless wins
Post by: gumbeh on October 22, 2011, 01:43:20 am
I find the Angel much more usefull than crusader.Everfything this guy said is spot on.
First of all for the 7dmg/7hps. Ok, we love the 7 attack for 6 quanta, but don't uderestimate the 7 HPs. So...7/7 is the reason why archangel is so great, cause there is no CC instead of bolts with high quanta that can kill this BEAST!!
Second, it's not usefull to endow your weapon if you just use discords in your deck and you can't really wait for your opponent to play some cool weapon.
Angel saved me many many times while playing this deck and I farmed with it more than 400 games in bronze and silver to get the new shards (mostly bronze tbh). Archangel can heal when the stupid AI plays fire storms that doesn't kill all creatures except 1-2, also saves a whole field when AI uses plague. Not to mention the times that it hits the angel with all kinds of CC that don't kill it.
Just use it as a shield and in 2-3 rounds it might absorb 2-3 cc cards that would hit your other creatures (if you know you are against a cc deck like fire for example).
Not to mention that no creature dies from Fire shield when the Angel is on the field!!
Another trick I use many times is when against a fire deck with cc or fire stall I use my TU on the angel if i get em both quickly. That move is almost a gg against most fore decks, since the AI is so stupid to use a rage potion without killing the angel, or throw a bolt at it with less than 20 fire quanta (needs 20+ to kill a 7hp creature).
To cocnclude while crusader is much better in a control-bow like JMZ the archangel is a "must" in this great deck by ralouf.
+1 for Archangel and +1 for ulitharid instead of crawler in this deck....both gave me countless wins
Post by: parasite99 on October 22, 2011, 01:47:10 am
Post by: bongoz on October 22, 2011, 06:00:48 pm
Post by: stealth15psi on October 23, 2011, 01:44:58 am
Post by: ralouf on October 24, 2011, 08:11:51 am
Hey ralouf1 this is pretty funny, as this is the exact same deck I was using around 3 or 4 months ago when I played you in CL ;D :))Yep I remember those good matchs ;)
@ stealth15psi : glad you like it ;)
Post by: Calindu on October 24, 2011, 12:35:44 pm
Post by: furballdn on October 26, 2011, 08:26:29 pm
Post by: ralouf on October 27, 2011, 09:13:11 am
Post by: furballdn on October 28, 2011, 12:25:15 am
Post by: stealth15psi on November 02, 2011, 01:44:16 am
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c361/kriseisenberg/untitled32.jpg)
Post by: Holokausti on November 02, 2011, 07:33:34 am
Guess which deck I made with these wings the Oracle gave me. Only day 3, going for the top spot in Silver.I made this deck too when I got Wings in Gold league. Got to 17th rank at best I think. Too bad I don't get any satisfaction getting to high ranks when most of the time my deck is just copied elsewhere. :-[
I tried both decks in the OP and it's really hard choosing a favorite. I love Otyugh since it has a lot of synergy with other cards in the Snoweb's deck. Bonewall, Fire Buckler, FFQ (eating own Fireflies to gain HP), Bloodsucker and it's great against any rushes too.
Great work anyways guys.
Post by: furballdn on November 02, 2011, 11:26:37 pm
Post by: stealth15psi on November 03, 2011, 10:48:27 am
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c361/kriseisenberg/untitled-1.jpg)
Post by: Mallyce on November 03, 2011, 09:38:47 pm
Post by: furballdn on November 04, 2011, 01:13:35 am
Post by: stewie on November 04, 2011, 03:16:23 pm
Post by: furballdn on November 04, 2011, 11:03:54 pm
Post by: ralouf on November 04, 2011, 11:08:38 pm
Post by: furballdn on November 06, 2011, 05:54:43 am
:aether seems to one of the most flexible elements to decide which cards you want to use. Phase recluse? Dimensional shield? Quintessence? Twin universe? Or Lightning for CC? (This deck is also weak in that it has no CC)
Post by: PlayerOa on November 09, 2011, 09:30:46 am
-of course upgrade the Wings and the Black Hole, but I am poor and prefer to up cards to use in War ::)
This is mainly your deck, but I tweaked it into my playstyle, and it work like a charm. Heals are great to use both to secure EMs and turn the game into mine.
Recluse > PU because of no buffs/no chargers. M preferred opinion. And Gargoyle is great against those CC decks. Pegasus... I am not sure whether to use it and not Archangel.
6 Towers because I like it. :)
Post by: Brontos on November 09, 2011, 11:01:42 am
Post by: PlayerOa on November 09, 2011, 11:32:42 am
With 2 Wings, I'd use Archangel in your deck instead of Pegasus.Yeah, I've been thinking about that. 6 (2 wings) + Pegasus skill may be a bit too much :air.
Post by: ralouf on November 09, 2011, 11:44:05 am
Post by: PlayerOa on November 09, 2011, 11:58:18 am
Don't forgot that recluses also have a rather usefull ability :)That ability have made me win a lot of games indeed. (:
Post by: Elite arbiter on November 09, 2011, 10:05:47 pm
Yes but the point is that it costs even 'more' :air to use it. Which puts even more strain on the Pegasus.Don't forgot that recluses also have a rather usefull ability :)That ability have made me win a lot of games indeed. (:
Post by: ralouf on November 09, 2011, 10:08:50 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on November 10, 2011, 06:27:58 am
Post by: ralouf on November 10, 2011, 08:05:12 am
For my part both are really different, depending from other cards you play and from the metagame you expect.
Archangel : works good if you earth cards are shrieker and you expect a lot of fire stall and other deck with CC. as the AI is rather stupid if he has a lightning in hand he will play it on your archangel en then you'll manage to heal him next turn. he his also very efficient vs fire shield, RoF and any form of poison. Moreover a 7/7 strike hard, match well with epinephrine and his very hard to kill in the early game.
Crusader : Better if your earth card is pulvy obv. Still if you are running some SoSe it can be good too and you can find stupid combo that allow you to win (yeah I already a solar shield, then fractaled crusader and made them all endow the jade staff and won thanks to this :p) also he has lot of synergy with most of the weapon and TU helps a lot. for example your opponen play a vampire stiletto ? you endow it then epinephrine if you have it and TU it'll give you a 30 HP heal each turn. In brief crusader is maybe more fun but also slower and more vulnerable early game (lightning, rage pot and lobo neutralize him early game). still it looks better if yo expect lot of monoaether or some oracle bow. My current deck use crusader.
Post by: Holokausti on November 15, 2011, 12:26:48 pm
Post by: singeitus on November 15, 2011, 06:48:43 pm
Post by: ralouf on November 15, 2011, 06:52:09 pm
Post by: Holokausti on November 15, 2011, 07:32:07 pm
Wow, every second deck I play in gold is this exact deck + oracle card..anyone else experiencing this?Yea, I've faced this one quite often in Gold too. Usually end up losing the mirror match but sometimes I get a good draw and manage to win.
This one fares well in Gold league as Arena deck too so it's no wonder it's used so much. Even though creativity is always a positive thing, it's not encouraged very much by the game and I don't think the thumb system really solves anything. Electrum>Creativity is pretty much the case but I don't blame people for it. I usually end up playing the same old rainbows, ghostmares etc. in arena just to get some money. As long as I don't have a sufficient amount of upped cards (not anytime soon) I'll keep on using the decks that are tested and proven to work just to gain more Electrum.
Post by: Elite arbiter on November 16, 2011, 08:15:33 am
Well, technically from what I've found creative arena decks make 'more' money than standard arena decks, although they get much lower ranking. I'm computing 'standard' by what would have been if they had gotten every match a victory but no match a thumbs up, although I'm getting a much more formal look for some real meat comparison in the next couple days.Wow, every second deck I play in gold is this exact deck + oracle card..anyone else experiencing this?Yea, I've faced this one quite often in Gold too. Usually end up losing the mirror match but sometimes I get a good draw and manage to win.
This one fares well in Gold league as Arena deck too so it's no wonder it's used so much. Even though creativity is always a positive thing, it's not encouraged very much by the game and I don't think the thumb system really solves anything. Electrum>Creativity is pretty much the case but I don't blame people for it. I usually end up playing the same old rainbows, ghostmares etc. in arena just to get some money. As long as I don't have a sufficient amount of upped cards (not anytime soon) I'll keep on using the decks that are tested and proven to work just to gain more Electrum.
Post by: ralouf on November 16, 2011, 10:15:32 pm
Post by: furballdn on November 17, 2011, 01:04:27 am
Post by: ralouf on November 17, 2011, 05:32:47 am
But 5 SoSe give more card advantage and is more fun !
Post by: furballdn on November 17, 2011, 05:48:35 am
Actually SoSe can be converted in 2 nightmare, graboid, discord, black hole.Wouldn't that clash with maxwell, steal, oty and pulvy?
But 5 SoSe give more card advantage and is more fun !
Post by: ralouf on November 17, 2011, 06:07:49 am
The deck will be low on gravity quanta that way mayve. you can add a secod hourglass instead of black hole too.
nightmare only cost one quanta so there is no problem with that.
Post by: Brontos on November 17, 2011, 06:54:41 am
Post by: ralouf on November 17, 2011, 08:04:28 am
So no I didn't have troule with my gravy quanta.
Post by: Icedrackon on November 30, 2011, 07:52:25 am
Post by: ralouf on November 30, 2011, 08:07:27 am
Post by: furballdn on December 01, 2011, 02:42:29 am
I'm working on building this deck right now. What would you guys suggest as the upgrade path?If you're going for the old one, SNs, recluses, angel, QTs, etc.
Post by: Icedrackon on December 03, 2011, 04:09:48 am
Uppgrade SN and tower first. then it is up to you but shards looks way better upped. then oty hourglasses and then what you want. I suggest crusader because he is REALLY better unupped.Ah, yeah, SN really needs to be upped... ok, thanks. :)
I'm going for v2 right now.I'm working on building this deck right now. What would you guys suggest as the upgrade path?If you're going for the old one, SNs, recluses, angel, QTs, etc.
Post by: ralouf on December 04, 2011, 09:25:12 pm
Post by: SnoWeb on December 05, 2011, 02:32:50 pm
I call it"Moar cardz". The high number of quanta source give a higher reliability. You can chose to use the tears either on a gravity pendulum or on an entropy tower depending on the opponent's strategy.
Post by: ralouf on December 05, 2011, 06:11:42 pm
I think we can have a better card here, bonewall for example.
Post by: SnoWeb on December 06, 2011, 07:06:16 am
Post by: fbparis on December 06, 2011, 10:21:21 am
The combination SoSe/SN is clearly a successful pass way for grinding the arena. Here is my take on that:I love this deck :) Maybe -1 Amethyst Tower +1 Amethyst Pendulum to make earthquake's users mad. Also, mindgate is great but clearly a lack of aether quanta when you get it :(
I call it"Moar cardz". The high number of quanta source give a higher reliability. You can chose to use the tears either on a gravity pendulum or on an entropy tower depending on the opponent's strategy.
Post by: Holokausti on December 09, 2011, 10:41:16 am
Post by: ralouf on December 09, 2011, 10:48:47 am
Post by: Holokausti on December 09, 2011, 12:53:29 pm
Post by: ralouf on December 09, 2011, 12:56:37 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on December 09, 2011, 05:49:56 pm
yes playing TU on awesome mutan can give VERY quick win because when you TU a mutan the copy get +1to +3 attack.Actually I believe you get +1->5|+1->5, which is very strong.
Post by: ralouf on December 10, 2011, 12:15:23 am
Post by: Calindu on December 10, 2011, 09:41:34 am
Another one cool combo which happened a while ago just popped to my head. Playing Gold league, opening hand was 2 QT, 3 SN, SoSe and a TU. QT gives 2 Entropy quanta so I can play the SN's. I decide to play SoSes and got a Brimstone Eater, Improved Mutation and another TU. Mutated my Eater to 16/12 (or something, can't remember the exact HP) Shrieker with Deja Vu. Next turn I use the Deja Vu skill and get another Shrieker with 18 attack. I TU the 1st mutant and get another high attack Shrieker with Deja Vu. The match was over in 5 turns and the deck I played against had something like 160-180HP, can't remember exactly how much. Fun times.Really?The best shrieker you could have would be 12/8.
Post by: cosine23 on December 17, 2011, 10:04:00 am
Somehow, i like to add an upped scorpion and momentum, which saved me the day a few times.
Post by: ralouf on December 17, 2011, 10:24:30 am
Post by: cosine23 on December 17, 2011, 12:33:09 pm
Post by: Aves on January 02, 2012, 07:08:05 pm
16-1 Right now.
Post by: ralouf on January 02, 2012, 07:26:09 pm
Post by: furballdn on January 02, 2012, 07:47:20 pm
Post by: ralouf on January 02, 2012, 08:17:54 pm
Post by: furballdn on January 02, 2012, 08:25:12 pm
If you use the old version a lot you should win quickly the SoSe you need.I do get quite a bit of wins and rare spins, but they never land on shards like I want. >__> "What's that? My ninth Fahrenheit? Joy!"
Post by: ralouf on January 02, 2012, 08:40:25 pm
Post by: Aves on January 02, 2012, 10:06:37 pm
Hence the name ;) glad you liked it :) If you make 50 or 100 games with it and keep track can you post your stats here ? I never done it because I'm too lazy :pHeh, I meant that I'm using it as an Arena deck, not as a farmer. So its killing all those SPlats, Instosises, and JMZs out there :D
As for farmer stats, sure; I'm lazy too, though. W/L sound good? They'll be slightly skewed, though; my build is a tiny bit different than the 2.0.
I'm not sure if I posted it here before, but anyways:
Reasons for changes:
I prefer the Archangel over the crusader.
The SoD replaces the SoSe because I find that having 5 SoSe increases the risk of having 3 or more SoSe in your first draw, which is usually a pain considering low intial quanta output.
Post by: wespebbles50 on January 04, 2012, 02:01:29 am
Post by: furballdn on January 04, 2012, 02:02:58 am
Post by: Aves on January 05, 2012, 04:34:16 am
31-19 Gold (3 Spins)
3-0 Plat (1 Spin)
(Yes, I'm slow. I only play a few games at a time)
I'm going to edit this post until 50 games. At that point, I'm going to post these stats in the 'list of decks used against the arena' thread.
50 games Gold, Done.
Post by: Corri on January 05, 2012, 04:50:08 pm
Post by: Chapuz on January 05, 2012, 05:16:25 pm
man the 2.0 deck is amazing i love sose and im on a 24 win streak good jobIn what arena?
Post by: Smile on January 07, 2012, 01:49:29 am
He's doing bronze >:)man the 2.0 deck is amazing i love sose and im on a 24 win streak good jobIn what arena?
Post by: wespebbles50 on January 07, 2012, 03:45:00 am
actually goldHe's doing bronze >:)man the 2.0 deck is amazing i love sose and im on a 24 win streak good jobIn what arena?
Post by: lorddoritos on January 15, 2012, 07:27:34 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on January 15, 2012, 07:29:29 pm
does it still work?Yes.
I use a modification of the 2.0 and it works very well.
Post by: ralouf on January 15, 2012, 07:42:56 pm
Post by: furballdn on January 15, 2012, 10:06:41 pm
does it still work?Yes.
Post by: TheManuz on January 21, 2012, 12:47:33 pm
-2 SoSe, +1 BlackHole +1 Improved Heal
I like it, it's one of the most entertaining way to grind!
Post by: scrubsizhere on January 26, 2012, 02:07:06 pm
6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6tt 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u7 71b 74b 74b 74f 77f 77f 7an 7dm 7dm 7dq 7dq 7dq 7gp 7gq 7gv 7k2 7k5 7n3 7n5 7q5 7q5 7q5 7t9 80h 8pj
anyways long story short i was quantum screwed 20% of the time. i could not figure out how i can have my deck i work so hard on over the last year or so. and still be effective. but this morning i read this post and got very happy played about 15 games with this new deck in gold league:
6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6tt 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u7 71b 74b 74f 77f 7an 7dm 7dm 7dq 7dq 7gq 7gv 7k5 7n3 7n5 7q5 7t9 80h 8pj
and have yet to lose. so i just had to sign up for the forum and let you all know and thank you very much. and thanks Elements for being so amazing free and fun for the last year or so for me.
Post by: ralouf on January 26, 2012, 02:13:17 pm
you this to display your deck.
Hope you enjoy my deck, have fun
Post by: Bloom on February 14, 2012, 06:30:19 pm
Post by: ralouf on February 14, 2012, 06:45:06 pm
You can have bad match up and loose lots of games with deck but most of the time it win a lot of games.
Post by: Bloom on February 14, 2012, 09:49:11 pm
I'd like to note that the Gold League Killer V2.0 (modded slightly) is very good at killing Gold League farmers.How did you go 16-1 I'm happy to win 1/2..
16-1 Right now.
Post by: ralouf on February 14, 2012, 10:17:00 pm
Post by: Aves on February 14, 2012, 11:34:40 pm
I was using it as an Arena deck, not as a farmer.I'd like to note that the Gold League Killer V2.0 (modded slightly) is very good at killing Gold League farmers.How did you go 16-1 I'm happy to win 1/2..
16-1 Right now.
Post by: furballdn on February 15, 2012, 12:53:35 am
He means as an arena deck, it can do very well. Also, the winrate of this vs gold is much higher than 50%.I'd like to note that the Gold League Killer V2.0 (modded slightly) is very good at killing Gold League farmers.How did you go 16-1 I'm happy to win 1/2..
16-1 Right now.
Post by: ashashin on February 15, 2012, 04:59:37 am
should i get some to grind gold rather than grind fgs?
or is the old one still just as good?
(i use half-upped instosis for fgs)
Post by: furballdn on February 15, 2012, 05:15:49 am
i dont have 5 SoSe's >:(half upped instosis is probably more profitable. You'll be winning upped cards which are an instant 1k. Personally, when using tha gold league killer, I just use the old version.
should i get some to grind gold rather than grind fgs?
or is the old one still just as good?
(i use half-upped instosis for fgs)
Post by: ralouf on February 15, 2012, 05:37:56 am
Post by: ashashin on February 16, 2012, 01:31:29 am
i switched from gold to fgs a while ago
Post by: furballdn on April 05, 2012, 07:37:14 am
Post by: Nightlark on April 16, 2012, 02:49:34 am
Post by: Bloom on April 16, 2012, 03:26:00 am
Post by: ralouf on April 16, 2012, 04:37:24 am
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on May 04, 2012, 07:14:42 pm
Post by: KeY533 on June 01, 2012, 11:40:02 pm
Post by: Aves on June 02, 2012, 01:24:01 am
Post by: KeY533 on June 02, 2012, 10:17:37 am
Post by: euclid47 on June 02, 2012, 03:56:19 pm
Post by: furballdn on June 02, 2012, 08:06:00 pm
Due to the numerous Aether deck out there using Psion, has anyone added Mirror Shield to this deck?I haven't personally seen that many Psions in gold, and even then, I'd say that wings is probably better than mirror shield. Bone wall is also probably be better since it's a guaranteed 7 block.
Post by: ralouf on June 02, 2012, 08:48:59 pm
Post by: euclid47 on June 03, 2012, 12:19:35 am
Post by: Cynosure on June 05, 2012, 09:03:27 am
ttw/win ratio study please ><
:P
Post by: ralouf on June 05, 2012, 09:24:23 am
TTW isn't relevant in arena, I have like 95% win vs silver, and around 50/60% vs gold, it may vary a lot though
Post by: Cynosure on June 05, 2012, 09:41:42 am
time to grind for some SoSe :(
Just finished fully upgrading a JMZ classic thingy after coming back to elements from like month long hiatus
sn nerf hurts me
would you recommend tha gold league killer or loufoqeubow?
Post by: ralouf on June 05, 2012, 10:00:33 am
Post by: slayer5457 on June 05, 2012, 09:01:28 pm
Post by: ~Zytoc~ on June 08, 2012, 02:50:57 pm
Okay to help people who wants to farm and to have a feedback about this I post the deck I used/modded since arena is out.
After playing even more I finally found that : THA GOLD LEAGUE KILLER V2.0
here it goes : (? ? ? cards ar SoSe)
Just awesome.. sometimes got amazing streak vs gold league (record is 32 wins in a row currently). It can be anything, have ton of synergy, can answer to everything and is WAY more funny just because I use SoSe games are more varied. My favourite deck currently.
here it is : Tha gold league killer V1
nothing really special, wings can win games alone, like discord+BH. The rest is just creature, all are quite abvious choice.
Ulitharid >>> abyss crawler just because oty, maxwell and squizz are present in almost every decks.
I choose archangel because sader is good but can suxx depending what the field looks like.. Moreover archangel can heal his friend or himself which is pretty usefull vs fire stall (and there is a lot of fire stall...)
Actually the deck is a mix between JMZ classic (the TU, 2 steal..) and TADAbow (discord + BH) and my personnal touch : recluse + wings.
Other good deck vs gold league, tested and approved : the JMZ-SW, by SnoWeb :
More CC, no wings.. very different deck but work the same way.
Thoughts ?
Can you add more variants of it ? :'(
Post by: Blutrabe on June 08, 2012, 05:56:23 pm
Any advise? I switched the 5 missing SoSe with 4 SoG and 1 of those shards that can destroy perms to gain +0/+15 :-X
Help? ?_?
Post by: Calindu on June 08, 2012, 06:55:31 pm
Post by: Heavenscall on June 08, 2012, 09:40:12 pm
On the first day i have a winrate easily over 70% - but if i play this deck more days longer to farm money the winrate degreases heavy. It seems to me really, like the AI matches you with Arena decks that are worst cases against you.
Post by: oblivion1212 on June 18, 2012, 10:58:51 pm
thoughts?
i find it better to use since freeze > lobotomy, IMHO
Post by: ralouf on June 18, 2012, 11:27:29 pm
Also win rate is completely variable you may have win streak and lose streak too.
@oblivion : your post doesn't make sense sorry.
Post by: furballdn on June 18, 2012, 11:45:39 pm
Yeah the deck still works. Epinephrine is good but does nothing when alone so only one in the deck, same for miracle, you'll never play it unless you got that one queen.He's suggesting to swap ulitharid for an octopus. Both of them are control cards anyway.
Also win rate is completely variable you may have win streak and lose streak too.
@oblivion : your post doesn't make sense sorry.
Post by: ralouf on June 19, 2012, 12:19:30 am
Post by: Heavenscall on June 19, 2012, 03:48:25 pm
Post by: Hiddje123 on July 02, 2012, 10:21:22 pm
Any advise on changes that would make help here?
p.s. in silver league this is a completely different story and here i do obtain at least a 90% win with the same deck.
Post by: furballdn on July 02, 2012, 10:36:41 pm
Post by: Hiddje123 on July 02, 2012, 11:45:52 pm
These decks worked better before the nova nerf. If you want a similar deck to this, try the luofoquebow that was a variant of this but was made after the supernova nerf.
Are you able to post a picture of it, link me to a topic of it, or tell me what it's compromised off? I can't seem to find it anywhere :O
Post by: furballdn on July 03, 2012, 05:04:41 am
These decks worked better before the nova nerf. If you want a similar deck to this, try the luofoquebow that was a variant of this but was made after the supernova nerf.
Are you able to post a picture of it, link me to a topic of it, or tell me what it's compromised off? I can't seem to find it anywhere :O
Post by: ~Zytoc~ on July 03, 2012, 09:06:32 am
After paying 3 water for a squid you won't really be able to use his ability more than 1/2 time in the game, while lobo only cost one, you already have hard CC to care about damage, loBo seems better vs flying staff for example.
Yes,in a long way,freeze is more expensive. Electrocuting is permanent.
Post by: Hiddje123 on July 03, 2012, 09:48:41 am
These decks worked better before the nova nerf. If you want a similar deck to this, try the luofoquebow that was a variant of this but was made after the supernova nerf.
Are you able to post a picture of it, link me to a topic of it, or tell me what it's compromised off? I can't seem to find it anywhere :O
Thanks man :) too bad I still have to get another pulv, might take a while haha :S
Post by: Holokausti on July 03, 2012, 01:07:26 pm
Thanks man :) too bad I still have to get another pulv, might take a while haha :SCould always replace the 2nd Pulvy with SoFo til you get another one.
Post by: Calindu on July 03, 2012, 02:49:02 pm
Thanks man :) too bad I still have to get another pulv, might take a while haha :SCould always replace the 2nd Pulvy with SoFo til you get another one.
Stop teaching him to do bad things! Get a Steal instead.
Post by: Hiddje123 on July 03, 2012, 04:03:40 pm
Thanks man :) too bad I still have to get another pulv, might take a while haha :SCould always replace the 2nd Pulvy with SoFo til you get another one.
Stop teaching him to do bad things! Get a Steal instead.
I actually figured that already, SoFo is way too vulnerable and will most likely get killed as soon as you spawn it.
This deck doesn't take away the initial problem I had, with a rather often bad draw from the start. It'll always be weak against fire stalls, but in many other cases getting that first pulv, ult, oty or whatever in the game is very important to have a head start and prevent your own creature being devoured/lobo'd etc. The main problem I encounter is that if you don't get a QT in a starting draw it will always result in you having to discard a card and not being able to bring out your first creature by at least turn 3 or even 4. This means the AI will pretty much always be ahead of you with control creatures already on the field to take care of anything you bring out.
It might be that I'm playing it wrong? I see it as a rush and spawn anything i can as soon as possible unless I'm 100% certain it'll be devoured or w/e straight away anyways.
Post by: Werdbooty on August 14, 2012, 11:12:18 am
Thanks man :) too bad I still have to get another pulv, might take a while haha :SCould always replace the 2nd Pulvy with SoFo til you get another one.
Stop teaching him to do bad things! Get a Steal instead.
I actually figured that already, SoFo is way too vulnerable and will most likely get killed as soon as you spawn it.
This deck doesn't take away the initial problem I had, with a rather often bad draw from the start. It'll always be weak against fire stalls, but in many other cases getting that first pulv, ult, oty or whatever in the game is very important to have a head start and prevent your own creature being devoured/lobo'd etc. The main problem I encounter is that if you don't get a QT in a starting draw it will always result in you having to discard a card and not being able to bring out your first creature by at least turn 3 or even 4. This means the AI will pretty much always be ahead of you with control creatures already on the field to take care of anything you bring out.
It might be that I'm playing it wrong? I see it as a rush and spawn anything i can as soon as possible unless I'm 100% certain it'll be devoured or w/e straight away anyways.
No, no, I'm noticing the same problems. Quite often I'll get that bad initial draw, which often results in my having to discard something relatively valuable early on, and usually losing (depending on what the RNG decides to give me when I use a shard). Using a SoSe too early will also result in difficulties, especially if you're not paying attention to quanta.
Before I got my 5th shard, I was using a Discord as a replacement (alongside the pre-Nova nerf version of the deck). I actually had better success that way than after I picked up my final SoSe. Granted, I found I usually wound up with 2 to 4 Discords throughout the course of a match (due to SoSe), but at least then I didn't feel so irked discarding one if I had to. Since I nabbed that final SoSe, I've been swapping out cards one at a time and testing, and I seem to have had the most luck (grinding gold, streak-wise) with this:
I know, not much of a departure from the original, and I'm lucky enough to have that Golden Nymph, but I think this might be a bit more accessible for those with either (a) not enough shards to complete the deck; or (b) a preference for more creatures over Adreno (Mitosis). I also found a Fire Storm in place of the Golem can make for a nice change.
Incidentally, before I spun my 4th SoSe, I was using a Fallen Druid in its place. I suppose a Spectre would also suffice, without putting too much of a strain on quanta. And btw, I'm currently on a 5-0 win streak in Platinum, using the above deck. :D
Post by: Hiddje123 on August 15, 2012, 10:40:28 pm
Incidentally, before I spun my 4th SoSe, I was using a Fallen Druid in its place. I suppose a Spectre would also suffice, without putting too much of a strain on quanta. And btw, I'm currently on a 5-0 win streak in Platinum, using the above deck. :D
Does that gold nymph play a big roll in getting you those wins? Otherwise that isn't much help to me ;)
Post by: Werdbooty on August 15, 2012, 11:01:37 pm
Post by: MystiK_ on October 01, 2012, 02:00:30 am
This is the variant that I use. It's got a little bit of CC and PC and can outrush an opponent while soaking damage. SN is my only :entropy since the SoSe's give at least 4 other :entropy cards. Crusader and Vamp dagger work very well damage and healing wise.
Post by: kimham8a on October 01, 2012, 02:22:22 am
Post by: Pyrodinium on November 13, 2012, 06:22:43 am
Post by: ralouf on November 16, 2012, 08:44:23 am
Post by: Blaze on December 19, 2012, 12:57:04 am
Post by: kimham8a on December 19, 2012, 01:01:04 am
Post by: furballdn on December 19, 2012, 04:43:17 am
Why is the adrenaline in the deck?What kimham8a said above. It synergizes very well with the cards inside the deck.
FFQ is a 3 hitter.
Maxwell is a 3 hitter.
Uli is a 3 hitter.
Crusader is a 3 hitter, and when equipped with a pulvy, is an 8 hitter.
Lava destroyer is a 7 hitter when ungrown.
It can be used on an oty once it consumed something for extra damage.
Can be copied with twin universe.
It can be cast on produced fireflies for 5 extra damage and more :fire produced. (This makes me think that an unupped FFQ can also work. Unupped fireflies will have 3 attack and do an extra 9 damage with adrenaline, but this will ultimately be up to the user to decide)
And finally, it has synergy with SoSe, able to turn weak or small critters into heavy hitters.
For reference, 3, 7, and 8 are the three attacks that benefit the most from adrenaline, gaining a +9, +8, or +9 boost to damage.
Post by: onering20 on January 06, 2013, 01:55:49 am
Post by: kimham8a on January 06, 2013, 02:02:49 am
Post by: eaglgenes101 on January 06, 2013, 03:30:33 am
Might also have to ditch the Maxwell's demon.
Post by: shileka on January 10, 2013, 02:01:12 pm
another deck that is based on it
Post by: SeanWinters on April 15, 2013, 07:00:04 pm
Post by: borisovich on May 13, 2013, 01:17:02 am
This is what I use:
It is quite good against aggressive decks and can hold up well against mono Aether (esp. when 1-2x sanctuary, bonewall, and pulverizer are out, which is more often than you might think). Like most speedbows, the deck list is very flexible, and can always be changed to better "improve" it in the meta.
This deck does die to momentum + acceleration decks, or against early pests and earthquakes. I hope this helps someone...
Post by: borisovich on May 13, 2013, 01:19:54 am
I like this deck. I prefer -1 epinaphrine -1 SoS -1 Twin Universe +1 Jade shield +1 Purify +1 Quintessense. I think this makes it a little more consistant against a variety of popular decks such as shard of Wisdom immortals and Poison rushes along with quint being great on tons of the monsters in the deck.
That, my friend, is a very wise choice. I love testing all sorts of speed(ish?)bow variants. :rainbow
Post by: trashduke on May 24, 2013, 01:37:22 pm
The SoSe's are so much fun to use; they're like a box o' chocolates.
I like the idea of putting in the Jade Shield instead of another SoSe... I'll give that a try.
Post by: Aves on August 23, 2015, 10:53:48 pm
Post by: az10k on March 11, 2016, 02:33:01 pm
Here's my balance after playing 132 matches in all arena levels:
Bronze
33 games
32 win
1 loss
6 spin
Silver
33 games
29 win
4 loss
7 spin
Gold:
33 games
28 win
5 loss
8 spin
Plat
33 games
13 win
20 loss
4 spin
33 games
32 win
1 loss
6 spin
Silver
33 games
29 win
4 loss
7 spin
Gold:
33 games
28 win
5 loss
8 spin
Plat
33 games
13 win
20 loss
4 spin
My deck:
If you're a noob like me and want some rares try it
Post by: jackofalltrades on May 26, 2016, 09:36:40 am