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Ruby Balls FG OTK https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65961.msg1276237#msg1276237
« on: April 20, 2018, 04:17:08 pm »
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play dragon
play 4 balls
fractal a ball
play other 7 balls
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rather than play protect artifact for protecting sofree, it's  a lot more faster save one (or two) slots and skip every fg with pc, so it can potentially (hopefully with a good winrate since it doesn't require an extreme combo:)

destiny
eldinis
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fg u can try to beat:
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it has a lot of skips, but it is really really really fast:

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starting the dial chain with 17 cards in my deck, i ended up with the combo playing 4 other sundials (after the one when i was at 17 cards), bottom decking the last one, so in 5 turns i drawed all my other cards

i'm not saying this is better than vdb, since vdb can potentially win against more fg; vdb CAN be fast, is speed drops ridiculously against fg like obliterator, dream catcher, neptune and decay, and the fg u might wanna try like lionheart or octane

something similar against the fg u might can try to beat, vdb can lock himself without drawing gp or enough bb against EVERYTHING, this deck  has probably a better overall winrate (but still, the downside of a lot more skips)

it's pretty much useless with silver becoming an idle game where the only need to do is click for getting  :electrum , but i'm pretty sure this deck back after the instosis' nerf was probably a decent fast farmer

funny part: idk if u really need ruby dragon for otk, maybe artic dragon can be enough
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Re: Ruby Balls FG OTK https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65961.msg1276247#msg1276247
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2018, 09:40:33 pm »
I remember I once fought Sera in CL who used an OTK with ruby dragon and fractal ball lightning.

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Re: Ruby Balls FG OTK https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65961.msg1280246#msg1280246
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2018, 09:22:12 am »
Great deck!
you are quite right than an arctic dragon works in place of a ruby one.

i have played around with it a bit and made some changes
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replacing the crimson with an arctic because 11 water quanta is easier to get than 12 fire and replacing 3 ball lightnings with a seraph and an ivory dragon. this improves reliability of the deck with the mulligan because less ball lightnings and the final combo is 1 card less so a hard of bravery can be added in and it becomes more playable. another advantage of this combo is that you only need 6 ball lightening from the fractal instead of 7 so if you havent paid much attention and have a sundial or hourglass clogging your hand you can still win

Edit: I just realised this would also work fully SN powered
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Re: Ruby Balls FG OTK https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65961.msg1280263#msg1280263
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2018, 03:20:55 pm »
you only need 6 ball lightening from the fractal instead of 6

6
the number of the beast

no idea of the chances to always draw a pends with only 4 but is probably low, u need to drop the sob it has already too much skips, if u even lose for not drawing a pend it's terrible

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Re: Ruby Balls FG OTK https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65961.msg1280307#msg1280307
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2018, 06:09:19 am »
ah yes i meant instead of 7
the SN powered version was more of an afterthought and you are probably right that a pend would be better than a SoBr in it
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Re: Ruby Balls FG OTK https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65961.msg1280332#msg1280332
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2018, 10:24:27 pm »
you only need 6 ball lightening from the fractal instead of 6

6
the number of the beast

no idea of the chances to always draw a pends with only 4 but is probably low, u need to drop the sob it has already too much skips, if u even lose for not drawing a pend it's terrible
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I might know that probability:
First, your initial draw of 8 cards (presumes going 2nd, the going 1st probability will be very similar) in a 30-card deck with 4 pends you want to draw at least 1x:

So, 73% of the time you get an opening hand pendulum.

Next, we consider the mulligan which the game silently does in the background. The Ball Lightning is going to factor into the mulligan, so at 30-card deck drawing 8-cards with 5-zerocost cards it is about 18% of the initial draws lacking a zerocost resulting in mulligan:

So, ~18% of your initial draws you get to invisibly mulligan-draw...

That would be the 22-card deck stack drawing 8-cards with 4 pendulum targets in the stack wanting at least 1x:

So, about 86% of the instances of the initial draw not having a pend, your mulligan draw will have a pendulum in it (at least one).

The arithmetic part:
.733 + .863 * .185 = .733 (initial draw with >= 1 pend) + .160 (mulligan re-draw has >= 1 pend) = .893 <-- 89.3% of your first hands you see in-game (initial plus the invisible silent mulligan) will yield at least one pendulum, or more.

That's not too shabby in my book (presuming the math was correct) - 1 time in 10 games you get a faildraw (note: I have not worked up any numbers related to how often the faildraw is due to Ball Lightning-only-zerocost vs. actually having no zerocost in resulting hand).

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EDIT1: Well, ignoring that Ball Lightning is a zero-cost mulligan screwer means the first calc I posted is not right.
EDIT2: Alright, should be fixed now! :-)
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Re: Ruby Balls FG OTK https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65961.msg1280341#msg1280341
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thx for calcs, tought it was much lower

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Re: Ruby Balls FG OTK https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65961.msg1280408#msg1280408
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2018, 11:17:15 pm »
thx for calcs, tought it was much lower
I've run a VERY similar calc before when building SN-bows... I used to build them with 5x or 6x pill/pend-upped until I ran the numbers and realized 1/10 with 4x is tyipcally worth the benefit of 1-2 more useful cards mid- late-game. Basically, gut reaction for most is 4/30 = lots of faildraws so your first thought was not so irrational - the numbers just play out a different story. :)
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