Post by: Chapuz on September 25, 2011, 10:06:54 pm
Again, credits for Dragoon's "OTK FG and HB" and Amilir's Flay EM because I based this two decks in theirs.
Slim version:
This version is the fastest and less bad-draws getting. I personally recommend it.
Possible good modifications: +2 Golden Hourglasses, +1 Time Pendulum, -1 Light Pendulum. This helps you het the 1st Hourglass sooner when the upped ones are quite buried!
Fatty version:
This version might start a bit lower, but as higher win rate against some almost auto-quit FGs of the slim version.
Fat fat version:
This version can absorb heavy poison and some momentummed damage. Recomended for guys who like being strong.
It's epicly cool to OTK/OHKO 200 HP guys!
Light dragon + momentum + 2x Rage Elixir + 3 Parallel Universe + Sky Blitz:
[(12 + 1 + 2x6) x 2] x 4 = 25 x 2 x 4 = 50x4 = 200 UNSTOPPABLE ONE TURN DAMAGE.
Play all those cards in that order, in the same turn!!!
It also might work great vs. high HP arena guys without sooo much PC ;D
Chaos Lord: Only 2 Steals, Deflags and Unsoppables. You can make him spend them in hourglasses and Sancts before the shields.
Decay: 4 Steals: Make him spend the first 1-2 in hourglasses and even a shield if you can, before playing a Sanctuary. After that, the game is yours. 90% EM (he can play a last-turn Drain life, but it's unlikely.
Destiny: Slow and without PC = 90% win rate and 80% EM. Granted.
Elidnis: Don't try to EM playing the 1st shield as soon as you can unless you have a Hourglass in your board. Then, it's the same as Destiny: 90% win rate.
Ferox: A bit rusher than most of the other FG, maybe you will have to play an early shield. VERY high win rate (70/80%) and EM granted.
Fire Queen: Can be like Ferox or like Destiny, depends how she starts. No problem at all. EM granted.
Hecate: Only 4 Steals, same as Decay. Just easier because he doesn't drain your precious quanta. EM granted.
Incarnate: Same as... maybe Ferox.
Lionheart: The easiest one. 100% win rate, 80% EM. Deckout him is likely, as he has over 9000 hourglasses.
Miracle: 100% win rate, 100% EM.
Morte: You can handle the poison with the healing. 6 Sanctuaries are not for nothing.
Neptune: Eeeaaassyyy! The only way you don't EM is when he plays a last-turn Shockwave, what is really unlikely.
Osiris: His momentum is nothing compared with your healing, and you can resist some double-Trebuchets turns untill you get the combo.
Paradox: Like Ferox: Fast, but makes no challenge at all.
Scorpio: 1 or 2 early Physalias are a pain without some Sanctuaries. Otherwise, it's like Morte.
Serket: With a normal (not bad) hand and an early shield, he is a piece of cake.
Decay: 4 Steals: Make him spend the first 1-2 in hourglasses and even a shield if you can, before playing a Sanctuary. After that, the game is yours. 90% EM (he can play a last-turn Drain life, but it's unlikely.
Destiny: Slow and without PC = 90% win rate and 80% EM. Granted.
Elidnis: Don't try to EM playing the 1st shield as soon as you can unless you have a Hourglass in your board. Then, it's the same as Destiny: 90% win rate.
Ferox: A bit rusher than most of the other FG, maybe you will have to play an early shield. VERY high win rate (70/80%) and EM granted.
Fire Queen: Can be like Ferox or like Destiny, depends how she starts. No problem at all. EM granted.
Hecate: Only 4 Steals, same as Decay. Just easier because he doesn't drain your precious quanta. EM granted.
Incarnate: Same as... maybe Ferox.
Lionheart: The easiest one. 100% win rate, 80% EM. Deckout him is likely, as he has over 9000 hourglasses.
Miracle: 100% win rate, 100% EM.
Morte: You can handle the poison with the healing. 6 Sanctuaries are not for nothing.
Neptune: Eeeaaassyyy! The only way you don't EM is when he plays a last-turn Shockwave, what is really unlikely.
Osiris: His momentum is nothing compared with your healing, and you can resist some double-Trebuchets turns untill you get the combo.
Paradox: Like Ferox: Fast, but makes no challenge at all.
Scorpio: 1 or 2 early Physalias are a pain without some Sanctuaries. Otherwise, it's like Morte.
Serket: With a normal (not bad) hand and an early shield, he is a piece of cake.
Just awsome for being semi unupped.
deck Limitless speed FG OTK [Semi-Unupped]FAT FAT players GiantFrog Statmasta™realtec
version 1.29
win-rate 32.08% $ track ? enabled
win-rate (n) n.a. games 106
Score/h n.a. win-loss-(EM) 34-72-(18)
Score/h (n) n.a. time (h:m:s) 06:10:43
FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) n.a. min/game 03:30
FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) n.a.
Remember there are some more skips and matches are fast as hell!
deck Limitless Speed FG OTK – Fatty Fat players Amheug-ui Maseuteo Statmasta™realtec
version 1.29
win-rate 32% $ track ? enabled
win-rate (n) n.a. games 200
Score/h 205 win-loss-(EM) 64-136-(49)
Score/h (n) n.a. time (h:m:s) 15:10:18
FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) 2506 min/game 04:33
FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) n.a.
Some Screanies of the slim version:
deck Limitless speed FG OTK [Semi-Unupped]Slim players GiantFrog Statmasta™realtec
version 1.29
win-rate 28.16% $ track ? enabled
win-rate (n) n.a. games 103
Score/h n.a. win-loss-(EM) 29-74-(0)
Score/h (n) n.a. time (h:m:s) 03:46:53
FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) n.a. min/game 02:12
FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) n.a.
Destiny
(http://s4.postimage.org/qe337lkle/Destiny.png) (http://www.postimage.org/)
Elidnis:(http://s4.postimage.org/54fikagss/Elidnis.png) (http://www.postimage.org/)
Ferox:(http://s4.postimage.org/fr9dd91fw/Ferox.png) (http://www.postimage.org/)
Incarnate:(http://s4.postimage.org/qe3867m30/Incarnate.png) (http://www.postimage.org/)
Lionheart:(http://s4.postimage.org/c7niyinpy/Lionheart.png) (http://www.postimage.org/)
Miracle:(http://s4.postimage.org/54fp6fusg/Miracle.png) (http://www.postimage.org/)
Neptune:(http://s4.postimage.org/u8gkj2d8d/Neptune.png) (http://www.postimage.org/)
Paradox:(http://s4.postimage.org/5f725y6pz/Paradox.png) (http://www.postimage.org/)
Recomended upgrading order:
- Light Dragon, both Rage Elixirs and 3 Hourglasses (as the unupped version).
- Remaining hourglasses
- Time pendulums
- Light pendulums and Sanctuaries
- Shields
- Twin Universes
- Towers and Sky Blitz
- Unstoppable is not worth upgrading at all, as it's impossible to get less than 2 gravity quanta with so many towers.
Try it and post your thoughts!!!
Post by: mwaetht on September 25, 2011, 10:14:04 pm
Never mind. This kicks the crap out of most of the most popular arena decks (fire stall, speedbow, big fat rainbow, ghostmare) despite the huge amount of PC. Has troubles against:
Very fast rushes (fire rush, some speedbows)
Quanta deprivation (EQ, BH if you can't get up a Sanctuary)
Shard of Divinity
Post by: Chapuz on September 25, 2011, 10:19:52 pm
It's not completely unupped, so you can't use it in unupped formats, but for FG grinding... I don't know. Maybe. What's the win rate compared to Flay Em, Liquid Antimatter, etc.?It's called unupped because it has 6 or less upped cards.
I couldn't make it fully unupped, as i need the 12 att dragon and both Rage Elixirs to make the 200 damage OTK.
Upped hourglasses makes you draw fast as hell (3 in a 35 card deck, creepy fast)
Post by: RootRanger on September 25, 2011, 10:42:58 pm
It's called unupped because it has 6 or less upped cards.That's not how it works.
In the FG decks archive Unupped decks can have 6 upped cards because at the time there weren't any good known FG decks that were truly unupped. But if you say unupped, your deck should actually be unupped. The term for this deck should be semi-upped.
Post by: Chapuz on September 25, 2011, 10:44:31 pm
Oh ok, done ;)It's called unupped because it has 6 or less upped cards.That's not how it works.
In the FG decks archive Unupped decks can have 6 upped cards because at the time there weren't any good known FG decks that were truly unupped. But if you say unupped, your deck should actually be unupped. The term for this deck should be semi-upped.
I am thinking on changing the deck name to "Limitless power, FG OTK [Semi-Unupped][Epic]", what do you say?
Post by: Chapuz on September 28, 2011, 03:17:09 pm
Thinking about adding 2-3 more pilars and a Purify to grant EM against Scorpio, Morte, Serket and Elidnis, for those who love Score and Electrum.
EDIT: Allright, I left the OP with the three starting versions so people can say how good/fast each of them are.
Post by: mycale on September 30, 2011, 02:52:53 am
Post by: Chapuz on September 30, 2011, 04:34:10 am
I have tried all 3 semi-upped decks. The only one that works is the "fat fat" version. All the others either not have enough mana by the time you get all the cards you need, or spells/poison overwhelms your lack of healing. Pretty good deck overall, around 60-70% win rate with 50-60% EM against the easy gods (except Hecate, Scorpio and Chaos Lord).THANKS FOR THE COMMENT!
Each of those decks has some pros and cons:
The slim one is very good for no permanent control FGs, as it's the fastest. The original version had -3 quantum towers +3 light pendulums, what i have been testing, works like charm and guarantees your early arther and late light and time.
The fatty version has some healing and that can work as permanent fodders against low PC like Decay. Otherwise, those (2 or 3 at most) FGs are an auto quit with the slim verison. This version, also can resist some momentum and poison damage versus some gods.
The Fat Fat version is more an unupped version of the upped deck. It's definitely slower than the other 2, but can resist more hits in early game and has much more PC fodders for other FGs. Not even mention the heavy momentum and poison damage absorbing while shielded! Also, when you know you will resist one or two hits, you can do it just to wait for more cards and get another shield (even if you have one in hand).
Every version has it's own pros and cons comparing with the other ones and I am willing people post how do they work to get / make a better, funnier and more awsome deck.
EDIT: slim version modified as the original one was to have needed quanta in time and get much better results.
Post by: mycale on September 30, 2011, 06:20:35 am
Post by: Chapuz on September 30, 2011, 04:39:39 pm
By the way, I would suggest replacing one/two sanctuaries with purifies in order to have more chances with Scorpion/Serket/Morte.And grants EM against Elidnis (cuz of ger puffer fishes).
I have to do more tests and see if they really worth a pair of spaces of the fatty and fat fat versions. I will do the upped tests and then see the unupped ones.
Post by: Demasiadoloko on October 01, 2011, 04:05:22 pm
+1 for you and keep going with more awesome decks :D
Post by: lynx655 on October 01, 2011, 05:04:39 pm
Post by: Chapuz on October 01, 2011, 05:35:17 pm
My complaint is that the combo needs so many cards at once that it clutters your hand, if you draw them too early.It seems you haven't tried the deck yet. Almost every time you can play every single non-combo card of your hand, excluding the shields you are chaining. If you have any card that you must discard because you don't have the needed quanta, just do it. There are more hourglasses and sanctuaries than what you need. Also, many times you have more shields than what you need and play a shield when another one has 1 or 2 remaining turns. And finally, 99% of the times the 8th combo card is in the last 5 cards of the deck, what leaves you without any trouble.
Post by: mycale on October 03, 2011, 07:34:54 am
Also, out of curiosity, how many upped cards do you usually get?
I have beaten 20 gods and only gotten 1 card... is this normal?
Post by: Chapuz on October 03, 2011, 10:20:58 am
Here it is one game I had. The purifies are really useful.LOL, beating 20 FGs should bring you like 7 cards, but that's matter of luck and not of the deck you use. I have had days with the luck you said you have and days of winning a card every 1 or 2 FGs defeated.
Also, out of curiosity, how many upped cards do you usually get?
I have beaten 20 gods and only gotten 1 card... is this normal?
I have seen the Purify is only usefull to EM Serket, Morte and Elidnis. With all the healing this deck has, I don't think EMing them is worth a card, as without the Purify you still win almost every single game against them. I guess it's matter of taste.
Post by: Chapuz on October 04, 2011, 11:56:02 am
It's not completely unupped, so you can't use it in unupped formats, but for FG grinding... I don't know. Maybe. What's the win rate compared to Flay Em, Liquid Antimatter, etc.?Liquid Antimatter has much lower win rate than Flay 'EM.Don't bother using it for arena. Everyone and their mother packs 12x Deflag.
Never mind. This kicks the crap out of most of the most popular arena decks (fire stall, speedbow, big fat rainbow, ghostmare) despite the huge amount of PC. Has troubles against:
Very fast rushes (fire rush, some speedbows)
Quanta deprivation (EQ, BH if you can't get up a Sanctuary)
Shard of Divinity
I personally love Flay 'EM and that was the deck that inspired me to make this one. It's direct and simple: shields, golems, mind flayers, quints, pulvys and that's it. I wanted to make a semi unupped deck (up to 6 upped cards) with higher win rate than Flay 'EM and I finally got it. The only cons i find to this deck is that at the beginning may be quite hard to play. You must know when you should discard a hourglass to draw cards fast with the others and when you should play or save a shield. In the fatty and fat fat versions you also should know when to play a sanctuary and when to discard it to save light quanta. When playing a while and starting to upgrade the shards there is another philosophical questions, as "Play a shard or a sanctuary?", "play a shard or save time quanta for the 1st hourglass?"
In other words, this deck has higher win rate than Flay 'EM (at least the slim version), so more win rate than Liquid Antimatter too (even 1.28 LA).
Thanks! I haven't tasted any of the unupped versions in the Arena yet, but I think the slim and fatty versions would have a really nice rate.
Post by: ThePolaris on October 04, 2011, 02:34:11 pm
Post by: BiG_BeaF on October 05, 2011, 12:08:20 am
but i got like 50% at the ur stated FG's , I just skip the other FG's.
keep up the work, at least works better than the cc why bother unupped deck.
Additionaly could u state what to upgrade first to get to your upped version? would be nice.
PS: using the FAT FAT version
Post by: Chapuz on October 05, 2011, 12:41:48 am
got like 70 % at platinum league with this deck (upped some Quantum Pillar think 5, cause i had the money for it.)If you are running aiming to the upgraded fatty version (which I recommend), my recommended upgade list would be:
but i got like 50% at the ur stated FG's , I just skip the other FG's.
keep up the work, at least works better than the cc why bother unupped deck.
Additionaly could u state what to upgrade first to get to your upped version? would be nice.
PS: using the FAT FAT version
- Light Dragon, both Rage Elixirs and 3 Hourglasses (as the unupped version).
- Remaining hourglasses
- Shards and Time pendulums
- Light pendulums and Sanctuaries
- Shields
- Twin Universes
- Towers and Sky Blitz
- Unstoppable is not worth upgrading at all, as it's merely impossible to get less than 2 gravity quanta with so many towers.
I will put it in the OP.
BTW, 70% ON PLATINUM LEAGUE WITH AN UNUPPED DECK = EPIC AWSOMENESS
Post by: BiG_BeaF on October 05, 2011, 03:31:51 pm
additionaly, some decks Platinum uses are rly weak against this deck.
Some examples:
Mono Aether, Time, Water, Life, Entropy, Light
Nymph Decks mostly
Rainbows without Pulverizer
Also, some medium chances are: decks with steals in it and explosions
pain in the ass-decks:
Pulvi
Mono-Fire (rush and PC)
Poison
Gravity
Earth
Thats what i worked out yet.
Post by: Chapuz on October 05, 2011, 03:49:46 pm
em is most likely if you win in platinum, which causes massive amount of gold.Actually, poison decks are not that bad, depending the version you are playing. Many prople said that the slim version is the best one, as others prefere the fat fat one cuz of the healing and EMs.
additionaly, some decks Platinum uses are rly weak against this deck.
Some examples:
Mono Aether, Time, Water, Life, Entropy, Light
Nymph Decks mostly
Rainbows without Pulverizer
Also, some medium chances are: decks with steals in it and explosions
pain in the ass-decks:
Pulvi
Mono-Fire (rush and PC)
Poison
Gravity
Earth
Thats what i worked out yet.
Post by: BiG_BeaF on October 05, 2011, 04:12:38 pm
Post by: Chapuz on October 10, 2011, 02:50:49 pm
just got 3 extra spins today ^^ playing since 2 hours or soCool! in what Arena? I am usind the slim version against gold :P
Post by: Holokausti on October 10, 2011, 05:13:59 pm
Post by: Chapuz on October 10, 2011, 07:49:59 pm
This works actually much better than I thought. And it's great fun too when I'm bored of playing the same old CCYB and other decks.I noticed that the slim version has lower win rate than the fat fat one, but the speed of the games makes it the most profitable in Electrum/hour!!!
Post by: ninetyfools on October 11, 2011, 02:19:01 am
Post by: ninetyfools on October 12, 2011, 12:16:43 am
Post by: Chapuz on October 12, 2011, 12:32:25 am
Umm.. One question. Can u not upgrade the hourglasses? Im a bit short on moneyIt will work without them upped, but not as good as upped. It's crucial to have them upped ASAP so you don't get short on :time quanta and get faster draws.
You can have just the needed combo cards upped (Rage Potions and Dragon) and when you get a few upped cards from the FGs just sell them and upgrade the hourglasses. In the end, you should end with the upped version, which works like charm.
Post by: ninetyfools on October 12, 2011, 12:54:17 am
Oh i see that sucks then... It will still work tho right?Umm.. One question. Can u not upgrade the hourglasses? Im a bit short on moneyIt will work without them upped, but not as good as upped. It's crucial to have them upped ASAP so you don't get short on :time quanta and get faster draws.
You can have just the needed combo cards upped (Rage Potions and Dragon) and when you get a few upped cards from the FGs just sell them and upgrade the hourglasses. In the end, you should end with the upped version, which works like charm.
Post by: Chapuz on October 12, 2011, 01:00:11 am
Post by: ninetyfools on October 12, 2011, 01:05:08 am
Post by: Chapuz on October 12, 2011, 01:06:57 am
Well I didnt upgrade anything and it worked crazy good in arena. When he sniped my light dragons i just parralled his crusade :PIn PVP, after finishing the game you might say "TROOOOOOOOOOLOLOLOLOOOOOOOOOOOL" (That's what I do when OTK in PVP).
It may work, yeah, but sometimes you might feel a bit... time lacking.
Post by: ninetyfools on October 12, 2011, 11:16:20 pm
Post by: Chapuz on October 12, 2011, 11:18:27 pm
OMG i keep losing when i attempt to draw from my empty deck.... :'(Slim or Fatty version?
Post by: ninetyfools on October 12, 2011, 11:22:15 pm
Post by: Chapuz on October 12, 2011, 11:40:47 pm
Obviously slim....I keep forgetting there are no more cards...It works like charm with the upped hourglasses.
Post by: ninetyfools on October 12, 2011, 11:54:00 pm
I know i upped 2 of them last nite...Obviously slim....I keep forgetting there are no more cards...It works like charm with the upped hourglasses.
Post by: ninetyfools on October 13, 2011, 12:02:35 am
This is what i have so far after selling some cards (some means all my 150 cards including rares :'() and killing gods. Only beat one lionheart One upped time tower.... sold it
Post by: Chapuz on October 13, 2011, 12:10:01 am
OHHHH THAT'S THE REASON!!!
This is what i have so far after selling some cards (some means all my 150 cards including rares :'() and killing gods. Only beat one lionheart One upped time tower.... sold it
you need the Rage Potiond upped to Rage Elixirs!!! if you don't have that you can't make 200 damage xD
Post by: ninetyfools on October 13, 2011, 12:40:52 am
F*CKCKK XD I added blessings and more pendulmns whatya think?OHHHH THAT'S THE REASON!!!
This is what i have so far after selling some cards (some means all my 150 cards including rares :'() and killing gods. Only beat one lionheart One upped time tower.... sold it
you need the Rage Potiond upped to Rage Elixirs!!! if you don't have that you can't make 200 damage xD
Post by: Chapuz on October 13, 2011, 12:56:24 am
Dragon - 12 damage
Momentum - 12 + 1 = 13 damage
2x Rage elixir - 13 + 6 + 6 = 25 damage
3x Paralel Universe - 25 + 3x25 = 100 damage
Sky Blitz - 100x2 = 200 damage.
Post by: ninetyfools on October 13, 2011, 01:00:09 am
You still don't get it. It's an 8 card combo you must play all in the same turn.Sigh.... this deck is annoying sometimes : P
Dragon - 12 damage
Momentum - 12 + 1 = 13 damage
2x Rage elixir - 13 + 6 + 6 = 25 damage
3x Paralel Universe - 25 + 3x25 = 100 damage
Sky Blitz - 100x2 = 200 damage.
Post by: Chapuz on October 13, 2011, 01:03:48 am
Post by: ninetyfools on October 13, 2011, 10:03:07 pm
Post by: Chapuz on October 13, 2011, 10:04:59 pm
I need a way to get rich really fast then XDLook for 100% unupped FG farmers, there are ones with like 20% win rate as Liquid Antimatter.
Post by: ninetyfools on October 13, 2011, 10:19:36 pm
I know liquid antimatter but its mad weak and not that good...I need a way to get rich really fast then XDLook for 100% unupped FG farmers, there are ones with like 20% win rate as Liquid Antimatter.
Post by: Chapuz on October 13, 2011, 10:20:40 pm
Post by: ninetyfools on October 14, 2011, 12:25:18 am
Post by: Chapuz on October 14, 2011, 12:26:46 am
I also find myself discarding some cards in the beginningWell, this is a 6-upped-cards FG farmer, not a 100% unupped. With this cards it works like charm.
Post by: AkumaKanashii on October 15, 2011, 09:32:17 pm
In just a couple of days I managed to upgrade 10 cards for this deck by winning and selling the upgraded cards I had won with this deck ...
It really works well, the only problems I was facing:
1. Way too often I encountered the situation having my combocards completed in my hand without enough quantums (mostly for this damned dragon, but also for all three of the parallel universes)
2. I hate gods who love black holes, specially used continiously for 6 rounds
Suggestions:
6 sancturies to play used too much light quanta, therefore I decreased the amount of them to 4. Worked wonders.
Every hourglass should be upgraded, too. 2 time quanta for each draw really hurts...
I'm very satisfied with this deck! Thanks a lot for your efforts!
Sincerly
--A.K.--
Post by: Chapuz on October 16, 2011, 12:49:21 am
Well ... just to comment this deck, I finally registered to the forums to tell you my thanks to this idea, this deck works way better than I had expected!Every single comment of the deck is apreciated. It seems you were using the fat fat version. Note than the slim one wins against less FGs but with more speed and win rate, so you probably will win a lot more cards/hour using it. Try and coment!
In just a couple of days I managed to upgrade 10 cards for this deck by winning and selling the upgraded cards I had won with this deck ...
It really works well, the only problems I was facing:
1. Way too often I encountered the situation having my combocards completed in my hand without enough quantums (mostly for this damned dragon, but also for all three of the parallel universes)
2. I hate gods who love black holes, specially used continiously for 6 rounds
Suggestions:
6 sancturies to play used too much light quanta, therefore I decreased the amount of them to 4. Worked wonders.
Every hourglass should be upgraded, too. 2 time quanta for each draw really hurts...
I'm very satisfied with this deck! Thanks a lot for your efforts!
Sincerly
--A.K.--
Post by: Giantfrog on October 16, 2011, 03:15:42 am
This is what I have noticed between the versions as of so far. The slim obviously doesnt handle the poison very well It has a small chance but not enough of one to really suffice sometimes your just lucky enough to have the ai draw 0 poison and if your lucky on something like serket you get a dimshield before taking any damage, Most the non poison gods is almost a gauranteed win. Giving you dont get a bad hand or all your combo cards right away.
Fat version works well against the poison decks Id say it should have been kept the same as the, Hands are pretty good to start most the time but I in my experience and it may just be my luck since I run the fat fat or slim not the inbetween taking out 1 to 3 sanctuaries makes a huge difference in what you get card wise, Six actually can be a life saver.
Once you get your towers and pendulums upgraded its not a huge issue quanta wise since you will be generating six quanta per tower essentially and 2 per pendulum, This only really applies though when you first put it it bear in mind, No other turns but it really makes a huge difference on what your getting quanta wise. My upgrade order was the following and for the following reasons.
--Cards that must be upgraded prior to farming with this deck
--------Golden --> Light Dragon
--------Rage Potion --> Rage Elixir
--------HourGlasses(Should have at least 2 upgraded for this to be efficient due to time quanta issues and sometimes you need to dig for that last card before your shields run out. Depending on the deck you are running.
--Combo Cards (PU, Sky Blitz) Momentum just doesnt need it for obvious reasons. [(THIS IS NOT INCLUDING THE CARDS THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY NEEDED TO BE UPPED PRIOR TO ATTEMPTING TO FARM WITH THIS DECK)]
-------The reason for me upping these is the reduced cost of the cards which allows other cards like shields to be played at their normal cost and not fretting over too much quanta.
--Light Pends/Time Pends
-------The reason I did this second was because that light quanta gen and Time Quanta are needed to get stuff out faster and make sure you have enough for dragon.... The fat fat version doesn't tend to have this problem but the slimmer versions may run into it, If you added a sanctuary into the slim version or 2 sanctuaries for a little heal for possible em You will need it for sure.
-------Shield/Sanctuary
---As the post says you should get your shields done first, This I actually disagree with unless your running the slim version (Just my opinion). Mainly because you may get your last combo card and be short on light quanta because you needed the extra sanctuary to survive but because it cost 4 you didn't get enough, This has happened to me a number of times. It may just be bad luck but when your combo cards only cost like 18 to play instead of 21 you don't have much to fret if your digging at the bottom of your deck for cards to finish the combo, Play smart and just dont throw shield up because you drew it. You can wait another turn if you have another shield and just discard the one you have in your hand.
-------Quantum Towers
---These can be last if you want them to be I did them after I had half of my sanctuaries upped because the extra 3 quanta per tower played even though random made a difference in whether I could get a card out of my hand instead of discarding a card that I may have needed. I still suggest it as last on the to do list but it really is up to you. I did it first on another account that I play and it wasn't too bad, although when I didn't draw them earlier in the match I was pretty much stuck as if the whole deck was not even upped at all.
------HourGlasses
--Your remaining unupped Hourglasses can now be upped. Which should be 1-3 depending on the version of deck you are running with.
Overall this deck does work wonders for only having one creature so its doesn't get affected to much by CC, The only issue ever is the permanents. But even then that is rarely an issue if played correctly. My overall rating for this deck is above and beyond the stuff that is posted in the false god farming deck studies and I think this should be the top deck out of them all anyways. Good Job as to putting this deck together and I am glad that it still works wonders in 1.29 My rating would be 9/10 just because when its upped you actually tend to gain score not lose it.
| deck | Limitless speed FG OTK [Semi-Unupped]FAT FAT |
| players | GiantFrog |
| version | 1.29 | win-rate | 28.07% | ||
| $ track ? | disabled | win-rate (n) | n.a. | ||
| games | 57 | Score/h | n.a. | ||
| win-loss-(EM) | 16-41-(9) | Score/h (n) | n.a. | ||
| time (h:m:s) | n.a. | FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | n.a. | ||
| min/game | n.a. | FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | n.a. |
Post by: furballdn on October 16, 2011, 04:49:39 am
Post by: Giantfrog on October 16, 2011, 05:30:24 am
As of the first night I ran this deck I gained about 9 or so upped cards maybe more within 3 days though the deck was just about completely upped, The fat fat version that is. So as I said I can start keeping stats and all is there a particular deck you want tested or Would you like all 3 done. If its all 3 I will only do one at a time starting with the one that you would choose to play first.
Post by: AkumaKanashii on October 16, 2011, 09:54:13 am
I agree with the upgrading order suggested by Giantfrog. I also faced situations where I wasn't able to play all three Parrallel Universes, what actually destroyed my combo.
Maybe I should start making stats as well...
--A.K.--
Post by: Giantfrog on October 16, 2011, 10:59:26 am
Post by: Chapuz on October 16, 2011, 12:52:02 pm
--Combo Cards (PU, Sky Blitz) Momentum just doesnt need it for obvious reasons.Remember the dragon is part of the combo and it must be upped to work.
I have a HIGH win rate against Serket with the slim version, just put the 1st dim shield when you have like 4 poison counters and you are done.
And remember there are upped versions too, in the thread at the end of my posts.
Just to say, it's this thread: Limitless Speed FG OTK (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,31570.html).
There are lots oc screenshots and awsome stats!
Post by: AkumaKanashii on October 16, 2011, 01:26:00 pm
--A.K.--
Post by: mycale on October 16, 2011, 07:11:13 pm
(I do this with the fat version, so I do not know about the slim version).
Post by: Chapuz on October 16, 2011, 09:47:57 pm
Hm ... thinking about upgrades of cards ... what would you suggest when I had all my quantum towers upgraded already? Should I reduce the amount of them? Right now I have 13 ... what would you suggest?Look for the upped version thread just in the post before yours.
--A.K.--
Post by: Giantfrog on October 17, 2011, 03:04:41 am
Post by: Chapuz on October 17, 2011, 10:36:09 am
Chapuz I am going to use stat masta for the unupped versions of the decks so I will be posting very clean highly detailed stats. If I start a game I will finish it as fast as possible. I am planning on doing atleast 200 games tonight... Including auto skips such as hermes. Tomorrow I am hoping to hit 400 atleast but again not sure as to how well that will go.Wow thanks!
It dounded like a challenge xD I don't see it as a challenge, as it's not for me. It is for and only for the players. PC FGs are not a skip for the fat fat version.
Post by: Giantfrog on October 17, 2011, 10:41:01 am
Not a challenge well I guess to myself it could be, But I felt the stats were a little lacking and could use extra detail and all thats about it. I like stat masta and feel that the stats it provides is 100% worth the time invested into games. This is just my opinion. Not sure if you feel like adding my option of upgrade path into your post but if you feel its worthy I will definately be happy or it could sit where it lies and I will still be just as happy since I was allowed to at the least voice my opinion of it and explain why I did it that way instead xD still love the deck though chapuz ^^.
Post by: Chapuz on October 17, 2011, 03:50:18 pm
Osiris you really need a lobo for. Even with some sanctuaries once he gets like 14-15 scarabs his trebs are too much to take. Since he hits you for about 45 a turn. So you can add a lobo into the deck if you want or you need to beat him with the slim, fat takes to long to setup.I think Lobo is not worth putting in this deck, as it would be only usefull against oriris, scorpio and (maybe) akebono and only if it comes early. "A pair of turns" against Osiris' double trebuchet turns are 3-4 with the fat fat and 2-3 with the slim version.
Post by: Giantfrog on October 17, 2011, 07:57:10 pm
| deck | Limitless speed FG OTK [Semi-Unupped]FAT FAT |
| players | GiantFrog |
| version | 1.29 | win-rate | 25.97% | ||
| $ track ? | disabled | win-rate (n) | n.a. | ||
| games | 77 | Score/h | n.a. | ||
| win-loss-(EM) | 20-57-(12) | Score/h (n) | n.a. | ||
| time (h:m:s) | n.a. | FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | n.a. | ||
| min/game | n.a. | FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | n.a. |
Post by: Chapuz on October 17, 2011, 11:29:17 pm
Post by: ninetyfools on October 18, 2011, 01:07:51 am
wtf octane is G4Y
Post by: Chapuz on October 18, 2011, 01:15:06 am
Post by: Giantfrog on October 18, 2011, 01:45:15 am
PU his 24/24, Momentum, Rage elixirs, 2 more PU On my 37 damage dragon Skyblitz makes 3 74 damage dragons doing a total of 224 damage lol silly miracle setting up a combo for me since I couldnt do my own.
Post by: Chapuz on October 18, 2011, 01:51:59 am
Chapuz most willing indeed. I will do it next. I guess I can run about 100 games for this as of now and then do the slim version for 100 games or so. That way there are other stats. I think I just had my luckiest game with miracle as of yet. Considering I wasnt getting enough light quanta to play dragon I used his instead xD.You were getting the light quanta, you had 3 more shield turns and 10 quanta. Against a non CC FG, you could just discard a RE or momentum and win in 2 turns. first one without sky blitz cuz of the momentums. That can be quite common.
PU his 24/24, Momentum, Rage elixirs, 2 more PU On my 37 damage dragon Skyblitz makes 3 74 damage dragons doing a total of 224 damage lol silly miracle setting up a combo for me since I couldnt do my own.
Remember slim version games are way faster!
Post by: Giantfrog on October 18, 2011, 02:04:18 am
Post by: Chapuz on October 18, 2011, 02:16:57 am
I had shield but I had all my combo cards already and only 10 light quanta so I had to discard something. So instead of quitting I PU'D his dragon to make use of my turns and One turned him with his own dragon.I was at 7 cards when i drew a tower then hourglassed a momentum filling my hand. Unfortunately the 10 light quanta wasnt usable so I used my combo cards on his already 24 damage creature so there are other ways of pulling off the combo from a bad situation just saying it pays off to think about what you can do instead of just auto quit and take down stats for a game I gained an em off it that bad draw.i see, just saying in case you didn't have a super dragon of the FG xD
Post by: Giantfrog on October 18, 2011, 02:24:47 am
Post by: Chapuz on October 18, 2011, 02:30:04 am
Ya if it wasnt for the buffed super dragon I would have lost =(No! i told you how you could win.
Post by: Giantfrog on October 18, 2011, 03:32:46 am
| deck | Limitless speed FG OTK [Semi-Unupped]FAT FAT |
| players | GiantFrog |
| version | 1.29 | win-rate | 32.08% | ||
| $ track ? | enabled | win-rate (n) | n.a. | ||
| games | 106 | Score/h | n.a. | ||
| win-loss-(EM) | 34-72-(18) | Score/h (n) | n.a. | ||
| time (h:m:s) | 06:10:43 | FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | n.a. | ||
| min/game | 03:30 | FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | n.a. |
I have to admit it ended up being a little better than I had thought it would end up being. In the end. I have 30k electrum at the moment while having gained a good chunk and my score not really lowering at all, This is highly based on the false gods you face and luck of your draw. Even easy fgs can end up being a loss if you get bad hands. If you feel you lost even having all your combo cards certain fgs such as miracle can still be beaten if you have just a little luck and patience looking things over and doing a little math.
Post by: Chapuz on October 18, 2011, 10:27:23 am
I had 8 cards in my hand. 3 PU, Momentum, Dragon, 2 Rage and 1 well its kinda obvious skyblitz with 10 light quanta. I as you could see didnt have enough for My light dragon which is why I opted out and stole his super buffed 24 damage and ran the combo of of that with the 3 dragon kill instead of 4 dragon kill. If I waited a turn I would have had to discard one of hte combo cards I was only able to draw after I used my first PU on his dragon. And here is the 100 game average for the stats on fat fat.I like those stats!! Can't wait to see 100-200 game stats of the slim version WITH THE TIMING, you will see it is much more profitable talking about Electrum/Hour. There are much less bad draws too.
deck Limitless speed FG OTK [Semi-Unupped]FAT FAT players GiantFrog Statmasta™realtec
version 1.29
win-rate 32.08% $ track ? enabled
win-rate (n) n.a. games 106
Score/h n.a. win-loss-(EM) 34-72-(18)
Score/h (n) n.a. time (h:m:s) 06:10:43
FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) n.a. min/game 03:30
FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) n.a.
I have to admit it ended up being a little better than I had thought it would end up being. In the end. I have 30k electrum at the moment while having gained a good chunk and my score not really lowering at all, This is highly based on the false gods you face and luck of your draw. Even easy fgs can end up being a loss if you get bad hands. If you feel you lost even having all your combo cards certain fgs such as miracle can still be beaten if you have just a little luck and patience looking things over and doing a little math.
Post by: ninetyfools on October 18, 2011, 11:29:44 pm
Post by: Chapuz on October 18, 2011, 11:39:24 pm
Chapuz, there are more Fgs i lose to then beat. This deck is a little bit of a letdown for me. :(Try slim version, you will get fast cards. Start upgrading untill getting the upped version of my deck thread: Limitless speed FG OTK (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31570.0). Please don't tell me you don't have the minimum 6 upped cards xD
Post by: Giantfrog on October 19, 2011, 12:49:01 am
Post by: Chapuz on October 19, 2011, 12:54:45 am
Believe it or not my win average so far is at like 10% on the slim version, I recomend the fat fat version of the deck personally or the Slim Fat. I will start doing stats on slim again but its not pretty so far.That's rare, it's the faster and most profitable upped version. What problems do you have while playing, low quanta? Maybe you play wrong and don't discard useless phase shields.
Post by: ninetyfools on October 19, 2011, 01:05:28 am
Post by: Giantfrog on October 19, 2011, 01:38:46 am
Post by: Giantfrog on October 20, 2011, 12:33:58 am
| deck | Limitless speed FG OTK [Semi-Unupped]Slim |
| players | GiantFrog |
| version | 1.29 | win-rate | 22.08% | ||
| $ track ? | disabled | win-rate (n) | n.a. | ||
| games | 77 | Score/h | n.a. | ||
| win-loss-(EM) | 17-60-(0) | Score/h (n) | n.a. | ||
| time (h:m:s) | n.a. | FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | n.a. | ||
| min/game | n.a. | FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | n.a. |
Post by: Chapuz on October 20, 2011, 12:51:45 am
This is what the slim deck is currently sitting at stat wise, Also these are only the semi upped so its a 6 card up instead of the full deck as I could do, If I ran full upped though the stats wouldn't be reflecting the correct values for the deck they are representing. Anyways its a small update as of now I will finish off the games a bit later.I love it!!! 22% win rate with a 6 upped cards deck and FAST AS HELL!
deck Limitless speed FG OTK [Semi-Unupped]Slim players GiantFrog Statmasta™realtec
version 1.29
win-rate 22.08% $ track ? disabled
win-rate (n) n.a. games 77
Score/h n.a. win-loss-(EM) 17-60-(0)
Score/h (n) n.a. time (h:m:s) n.a.
FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) n.a. min/game n.a.
FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) n.a.
Post by: ninetyfools on October 20, 2011, 12:55:46 am
This is what the slim deck is currently sitting at stat wise, Also these are only the semi upped so its a 6 card up instead of the full deck as I could do, If I ran full upped though the stats wouldn't be reflecting the correct values for the deck they are representing. Anyways its a small update as of now I will finish off the games a bit later.U should put more info such as how many cards u win
deck Limitless speed FG OTK [Semi-Unupped]Slim players GiantFrog Statmasta™realtec
version 1.29
win-rate 22.08% $ track ? disabled
win-rate (n) n.a. games 77
Score/h n.a. win-loss-(EM) 17-60-(0)
Score/h (n) n.a. time (h:m:s) n.a.
FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) n.a. min/game n.a.
FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) n.a.
Post by: Chapuz on October 20, 2011, 01:45:58 am
Post by: Giantfrog on October 20, 2011, 02:22:04 am
As far as cards being won its supposed to be 35% I am sitting at a 50% plus on both decks though so say I play 100 games and I win oh say 20.
I have a 20% win rate. So I won 20 games out of those 20 games means I should have won atleast 10 cards if not then maybe 7 so the win rate on cards so far for me has always been at 50% if not higher.
Here is the reason I suggest playing the fat deck over the slim. Less skips which means your not lowering your score nearly as much. But granite you will be playing certain games a bit longer. Does this mean you wont be getting as much electrum? Not necesarrily. It has a higher % win rate and gods that are always beatable at 100% chance are Likely to end up being a EM which means double the electrum and if your lucky like me once in a great blue moon you win 3 cards on 1 set of spins.
I like the fact of getting ems and my score not going down tremendous amounts thats just me though. Everyone has their own thought, My personal suggestion is to try the 3 decks out and see which you prefer. I still remember one of the first posts saying that the first 2 decks CAN NOT WIN, Thats simply not the case. Its just harder when its unupped because in reality your really reliant on keeping certain cards and getting other cards out by a certain time frame. You have no heal. So if you dont get any shields until number 15 in your draw deck well your most likely boned. (This has happened to me which is why I am stating it) There have been games where I havent had the quanta to play a card and used the opponents cards to make my combo.
There are situations where you may feel boned and can't do anything, Here is one of the games I played with an upped version. I was boned because comp pulled a steal/destroy set of creatures that I had to kill in order to win and that left me with 0 rage elixirs. This doesn't mean you cant win just think about what you are doing and you can always win in bad situations. Granite you wont always get the lucky end of the stick but its not always worth giving up either.
Post by: Chapuz on October 20, 2011, 10:32:29 am
Post by: Giantfrog on October 23, 2011, 11:50:24 am
| deck | Limitless speed FG OTK [Semi-Unupped]Slim |
| players | GiantFrog |
| version | 1.29 | win-rate | 28.16% | ||
| $ track ? | enabled | win-rate (n) | n.a. | ||
| games | 103 | Score/h | n.a. | ||
| win-loss-(EM) | 29-74-(0) | Score/h (n) | n.a. | ||
| time (h:m:s) | 03:46:53 | FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | n.a. | ||
| min/game | 02:12 | FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | n.a. |
Post by: Chapuz on October 23, 2011, 12:54:51 pm
The finsihed stats at 100 for the slim deck, I actually played 103 games but I was trying to get stat masta to do fgei and fgeic alas it failed. Anyways I earned less electrum with this deck between the 2. Lower win rate less ems, I think I got unlucky and even earned less cards. I know the other deck I earned 14k, This deck I earned almost 10k. Not sure on the difference if I were to go to 200 games.The difference, again, is the GAME TIME, what you didn't record. That is as importans as the win rate. A deck with A% win rate with B average time is more efective than a deck with 2A% win rate and 3B average time.
deck Limitless speed FG OTK [Semi-Unupped]Slim players GiantFrog Statmasta™realtec
version 1.29
win-rate 28.16% $ track ? enabled
win-rate (n) n.a. games 103
Score/h n.a. win-loss-(EM) 29-74-(0)
Score/h (n) n.a. time (h:m:s) 03:46:53
FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) n.a. min/game 02:12
FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) n.a.
Post by: Giantfrog on October 24, 2011, 02:05:38 am
| deck | Limitless speed FG OTK [Semi-Unupped]FAT FAT |
| players | GiantFrog |
| version | 1.29 | win-rate | 29.82% | ||
| $ track ? | enabled | win-rate (n) | 27.24% | ||
| games | 114 | Score/h | 191 | ||
| win-loss-(EM) | 34-80-(18) | Score/h (n) | 134 | ||
| time (h:m:s) | 06:17:34 | FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | 3103 | ||
| min/game | 03:19 | FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | 2924 |
| deck | Limitless speed FG OTK [Semi-Unupped]Slim |
| players | GiantFrog |
| version | 1.29 | win-rate | 28.85% | ||
| $ track ? | enabled | win-rate (n) | n.a. | ||
| games | 104 | Score/h | 55 | ||
| win-loss-(EM) | 30-74-(0) | Score/h (n) | n.a. | ||
| time (h:m:s) | 03:51:04 | FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | 3888 | ||
| min/game | 02:13 | FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | n.a. |
Post by: Giantfrog on October 24, 2011, 02:08:00 am
First one is slim Second one is fat fat
| score/h | FGei(c) | Statmasta™realtec | wins | losses | skips | EM/Wins |
| -21600 -45 -21600 -605 459 -21600 -21600 637 -21600 592 345 201 -21600 -21600 -21600 972 -21600 970 1131 -750 398 -21600 -21600 -621 903 -21600 -21600 -21600 262 | -21600 1844 -21600 -605 4650 -21600 -21600 4651 -21600 5667 4171 4133 -21600 -21600 -21600 7292 -21600 6568 6560 -750 4202 -21600 -21600 -621 6987 -21600 -21600 -21600 4173 | Akebono Chaos Lord Dark Matter Decay Destiny Divine Glory Dream Catcher Elidnis Eternal Phoenix Ferox Fire Queen Gemini Graviton Hecate Hermes Incarnate Jezebel Lionheart Miracle Morte Neptune Obliterator Octane Osiris Paradox Rainbow Scorpio Seism Serket | 2 2 4 3 2 3 3 2 2 3 2 2 | 6 2 2 2 2 2 5 2 3 2 3 | 5 4 2 3 2 2 2 2 3 4 3 3 6 2 | |
| score/h | FGei(c) | Statmasta™realtec | wins | losses | skips | EM/Wins |
| -21600 404 -21600 1045 404 -21600 -21600 413 -21600 288 851 -21600 -21600 -895 -21600 661 -21600 760 364 -890 929 -21600 -21600 -277 450 -21600 -285 -21600 158 | -21600 3139 -21600 7787 2734 -21600 -21600 2797 -21600 2421 5873 -21600 -21600 -895 -21600 4750 -21600 4706 2134 -890 5508 -21600 -21600 -277 3243 -21600 -285 -21600 2627 | Akebono Chaos Lord Dark Matter Decay Destiny Divine Glory Dream Catcher Elidnis Eternal Phoenix Ferox Fire Queen Gemini Graviton Hecate Hermes Incarnate Jezebel Lionheart Miracle Morte Neptune Obliterator Octane Osiris Paradox Rainbow Scorpio Seism Serket | 3 5 2 2 2 3 4 3 2 4 2 2 | 3 2 3 2 3 2 2 5 3 2 3 4 | 3 4 7 3 3 3 3 3 4 3 4 3 3 | 1 3 2 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 |
Post by: ninetyfools on October 24, 2011, 08:25:02 pm
Post by: Chapuz on October 24, 2011, 10:42:06 pm
Nice Chapuz is probably gonna drop a karma on u ^-^Already did!
Post by: Giantfrog on October 25, 2011, 01:54:50 am
Post by: vidurkhanna on October 27, 2011, 02:51:58 pm
EDIT : its a little too risky for me! i kept chewing my nails for the dragon but it didnt come!
fought against 3 fgs and lost all 3 as the dragon didnt turn up and i only had 1 upped hourglass in the battlefield! terrible bad luck for me!
ill try it again some other time when i feel a little more lucky!! :S
Post by: Chapuz on October 27, 2011, 08:17:27 pm
looks good!! im gonna try it in the trainer 1st!!Try the slim version. You have more shields than what you need.
EDIT : its a little too risky for me! i kept chewing my nails for the dragon but it didnt come!
fought against 3 fgs and lost all 3 as the dragon didnt turn up and i only had 1 upped hourglass in the battlefield! terrible bad luck for me!
ill try it again some other time when i feel a little more lucky!! :S
Post by: Giantfrog on October 28, 2011, 01:00:35 am
looks good!! im gonna try it in the trainer 1st!!I have more than played my fair share of this deck and can honestly say, Numerous times I have either had momentum, Skyblitz, Or one of the other combo cards be my last card in the deck. The deck isn't just a straightforward eyes closed throw everything at once deck. As much as people might say its a one turn kill deck, It does require a little thinking. The fattest fatty deck I try to wait till I have atleast 30 cards left to draw before playing a shield and atleast around 22-20 cards left in the slim before I play my first shield. Sometimes this goes against the case and you get rushed faster than normal. It happens. The deck is good still its just sometimes you really need more than 1 glass so If you wanted to try upping your chances you could make the slim deck with an extra hourglass to up your chances of drawing it, Keep in mind it will alter your chance of drawing all your other cards, Either case often times I am stuck just about to deck myself outjust to draw my last combo card other times I will play a shield and then wait a turn taking damage before playing a shield again to just give myself more time in the match to stay alive.
EDIT : its a little too risky for me! i kept chewing my nails for the dragon but it didnt come!
fought against 3 fgs and lost all 3 as the dragon didnt turn up and i only had 1 upped hourglass in the battlefield! terrible bad luck for me!
ill try it again some other time when i feel a little more lucky!! :S
Sometimes you get bad draws it happens either case I am hoping you start getting some of the fgs that pay off and you can start not caring and just rolling them down eventually.
Post by: ninetyfools on October 28, 2011, 01:02:33 am
Nice novel you worte there frog. ^-^looks good!! im gonna try it in the trainer 1st!!I have more than played my fair share of this deck and can honestly say, Numerous times I have either had momentum, Skyblitz, Or one of the other combo cards be my last card in the deck. The deck isn't just a straightforward eyes closed throw everything at once deck. As much as people might say its a one turn kill deck, It does require a little thinking. The fattest fatty deck I try to wait till I have atleast 30 cards left to draw before playing a shield and atleast around 22-20 cards left in the slim before I play my first shield. Sometimes this goes against the case and you get rushed faster than normal. It happens. The deck is good still its just sometimes you really need more than 1 glass so If you wanted to try upping your chances you could make the slim deck with an extra hourglass to up your chances of drawing it, Keep in mind it will alter your chance of drawing all your other cards, Either case often times I am stuck just about to deck myself outjust to draw my last combo card other times I will play a shield and then wait a turn taking damage before playing a shield again to just give myself more time in the match to stay alive.
EDIT : its a little too risky for me! i kept chewing my nails for the dragon but it didnt come!
fought against 3 fgs and lost all 3 as the dragon didnt turn up and i only had 1 upped hourglass in the battlefield! terrible bad luck for me!
ill try it again some other time when i feel a little more lucky!! :S
Sometimes you get bad draws it happens either case I am hoping you start getting some of the fgs that pay off and you can start not caring and just rolling them down eventually.
Post by: Giantfrog on October 28, 2011, 08:50:17 am
Also just doing my share of info about the deck since I have extensively played it well over 500 games total. As I have upped the deck twice and then some.
Post by: ninetyfools on October 29, 2011, 02:10:35 am
I love writing, I am an admin for a d2 server and I decided that it needed a guide so I took onto that. But if it involves writing I don't stop when I probably should and just kinda keep on going. Whether the info is actually needed or not. I always have lots to say but I guess opinions are always welcome no matter how its said. xD But thanks for writing novels lol. Maybe one day I will be putting together a deck of my own.I would like to see your deck that you make.
Also just doing my share of info about the deck since I have extensively played it well over 500 games total. As I have upped the deck twice and then some.
Post by: oblivion1212 on October 30, 2011, 03:57:49 am
which is the most profitable version? slim, fatty, or fat fat version??
i neeeeeed moar play, less skip :>
Post by: Chapuz on October 30, 2011, 04:35:34 am
i like rainbows.. might as well be testing this deck...Less skip = fattest version. More profittable (i think) it's slim version because the game time is much faster. Also, you might upgrade the cards as soon as you can so you finally get the upped version. It has it's own thread in the FG upped decks.
which is the most profitable version? slim, fatty, or fat fat version??
i neeeeeed moar play, less skip :>
Post by: ninetyfools on October 30, 2011, 07:24:16 pm
Actually in reality I prefer the FAT FAT version. The slim is faster, however it loses a lot more. Also maybe for extra protection, you can use sundails. Actually nevermind. All the time quanta is going towards the hourglasses.i like rainbows.. might as well be testing this deck...Less skip = fattest version. More profittable (i think) it's slim version because the game time is much faster. Also, you might upgrade the cards as soon as you can so you finally get the upped version. It has it's own thread in the FG upped decks.
which is the most profitable version? slim, fatty, or fat fat version??
i neeeeeed moar play, less skip :>
Post by: Giantfrog on October 31, 2011, 11:45:38 am
The game times average out to be about a 1 minute difference or so, If your willing to play some games that take up to 5 minutes or more to win some cards then the fat fat version is your deck, If your about speed and just want to get some wins then the slim is the way to go.Actually in reality I prefer the FAT FAT version. The slim is faster, however it loses a lot more. Also maybe for extra protection, you can use sundails. Actually nevermind. All the time quanta is going towards the hourglasses.i like rainbows.. might as well be testing this deck...Less skip = fattest version. More profittable (i think) it's slim version because the game time is much faster. Also, you might upgrade the cards as soon as you can so you finally get the upped version. It has it's own thread in the FG upped decks.
which is the most profitable version? slim, fatty, or fat fat version??
i neeeeeed moar play, less skip :>
In my personal opinion the slim although faster cant do as many gods and takes a bit longer. With the fat fat You spend some more time in game get some ems and can do more gods. The call is really yours and the farm difference isn't huge since its all about luck of the rng on who you will be going against anyways. Maybe start at the slim and build up to the fat fat unless you can spare about 1500 electrum after building fat fat. The 1500 electrum isnt needed but it is a nice cushion just in case you get stuck facing 10 gods in a row that you cant kill for some unknown reason... I get unlucky sometimes. Either case both decks work wonders. Although the fat fat has a better win rate slim wins faster so they about equal out and slim does earn slightly more profit.
Post by: Giantfrog on November 13, 2011, 11:13:40 am
Post by: oop123 on November 21, 2011, 06:54:33 am
I just like having 1 extra quantum tower. I also noticed a lot of time you still have 80+ hp when the first phase shield was set up, so I added a Heal to help getting EM. It MAy reduce the win rate by a tiny tiny bit, but the EM is nice and tbh there isn't much difference.
Post by: Chapuz on November 21, 2011, 06:03:33 pm
My version +1 Quantum Tower +1 HealRemember Electrum is gaines mostly in cards, not in EMs.
I just like having 1 extra quantum tower. I also noticed a lot of time you still have 80+ hp when the first phase shield was set up, so I added a Heal to help getting EM. It MAy reduce the win rate by a tiny tiny bit, but the EM is nice and tbh there isn't much difference.
Post by: Elbirn on November 22, 2011, 01:51:17 am
Enjoy my tale of woe, and remember kiddies: Hourglasses blow. I hate them so much. Granted it's my own fault I lost, but I hate hourglasses. xD
EDIT: I've now come back to your original "slim" deck. I cannot beat even bronze opponents. I've lost 10 in a row and lost all of my spare electrum. *Insert stream of non forum friendly words here*
inb4 someone tells me i'm an idiot who doesn't know how to run this deck, even though I absolutely understand it.
Post by: Chapuz on November 22, 2011, 05:53:30 pm
I played this deck minus the upgraded hourglasses and with a colossal dragon instead of a light dragon (..Didn't feel like buying one. meh. It let me play an extra rage potion on it though.) Basically modified it to work with what cards I had and for my own purpose. Thus making the decks damage in one turn closer to 100ish, which is fine for me. But then I decided to play against platinum. I almost had an elemental mastery despite needing three turns to kill my 200 hp opponent...But then I made myself deck out using hourglasses.Please post the looser deck you used. This combo doesn't work with any other dragon, and hourglasses are the FIRST thing you must upgrade after the combo cards. It's a vulnerable combo against any king of CC if you don't play it correctly.
Enjoy my tale of woe, and remember kiddies: Hourglasses blow. I hate them so much. Granted it's my own fault I lost, but I hate hourglasses. xD
EDIT: I've now come back to your original "slim" deck. I cannot beat even bronze opponents. I've lost 10 in a row and lost all of my spare electrum. *Insert stream of non forum friendly words here*
inb4 someone tells me i'm an idiot who doesn't know how to run this deck, even though I absolutely understand it.
This deck is suposed to make a 200 damage hit in a single turn just because of that. Play ir correctly and you will win much more than what you say. And I don't think it's an anti Platinum deck, as every single one has enough PC to destroy the shields.
Post by: Elbirn on November 22, 2011, 06:20:15 pm
I'm curious as to why the upped hourglasses are so necessary? I've always found myself with plenty of time quanta..
As for the deck I used: The only change I made was light pendulums and light dragon were changed to gravity pendulum and colossal dragon. I had an extra rage pot in there before but decided it was pointless. I've now gotten off my lazy arse and bought light dragon/pendulums, so essentially i'm running your deck but completely unupped. except for one solitary hourglass that i won in a spin ages ago :P
Post by: furballdn on November 22, 2011, 11:04:59 pm
Post by: Elbirn on November 22, 2011, 11:21:14 pm
Upped hourglass costs 1 :time to draw a card. Unupped costs 2 :time. Upped is twice as good :PIf I get one. And if it isn't deflagged or stolen. Which happens rarely, and when I do manage to keep an hourglass on the field, I've already got loads of time quanta by then. And I've found that more often than not, drawing just results in me having a hand full of crap that I want to keep but can't play yet, meaning i have to throw something important away, meaning i'm screwed. :P I guess I'm just not getting something here. I've saved your deck in my majicakal word document of deck codes, and I'm sure when I'm rich enough to up the cards and "skilled" enough to win consistently, I'll very much enjoy this. :D
Post by: Chapuz on November 23, 2011, 02:40:47 pm
I've got mixed feelings on it now. Because I just lost against 3 fg's and a platinum...But then won 3 golds in a row and got a miracle and a morning star from said wins. *scratches head* xD Don't get me wrong it's a great deck for sure, I'm just saying that my lucks been very iffy.The combo doesn't work with any dragon buy the light dragon, as you should know. It's (12 + 6 + 6 + 1)x4 = 200 damage. That's the reason you loose so much, you don't make a 200 damege OTK.
I'm curious as to why the upped hourglasses are so necessary? I've always found myself with plenty of time quanta..
As for the deck I used: The only change I made was light pendulums and light dragon were changed to gravity pendulum and colossal dragon. I had an extra rage pot in there before but decided it was pointless. I've now gotten off my lazy arse and bought light dragon/pendulums, so essentially i'm running your deck but completely unupped. except for one solitary hourglass that i won in a spin ages ago :P
Post by: Giantfrog on November 27, 2011, 09:39:04 am
Also you need to up your rage pots so they do 6 instead of 5 just a hint.
Post by: the_unknown on November 28, 2011, 01:24:19 am
Post by: Giantfrog on November 28, 2011, 10:39:14 pm
Post by: SilverHearts on December 03, 2011, 04:28:02 am
Post by: Krewrov on December 09, 2011, 08:56:53 pm
Just wanted to let you know it really helped me out. Thank you Chapuz!
Post by: Zso_Zso on December 10, 2011, 04:50:45 am
Sorry for the inconsistency of the :aether cards (some upped some not), I just used the max I have upped so far, it should work with those not being upped also. I have added the electrocutor to remove the momentum from those pesky creatures that want to punch through the shield. The Antimatter is thrown in to make use of the excess entropy quanta after the burst of supernovas (the mark keeps generating it, but we only need 2 to burst). It can also be used on the strongest momentum attacker to turn it into a nice healer.
Happy grinding ;)
ps: playing a bit further with the supernova version, I have trimmed it down to a minimalistic super-slim version, which seems to work more reliably:
Post by: Chapuz on December 11, 2011, 12:26:43 pm
I love this deck, thank you for sharing! One thing that bothered me about it is the unreliability of the quantum pillars. You mostly need :aether :time and :light quanta, and a bit of :fire :gravity :air to finish it off with the dragon-blitzIt's a joke, right? you just mentioned 6 elements are needed. An element-tower-based Limitless Speed would get you many bad draws, of getting no wanted pilars till the end of the game. That's what rainbows are: consistent with QT.
Post by: jawesome1 on December 11, 2011, 08:45:17 pm
Post by: Zso_Zso on December 11, 2011, 11:49:54 pm
Yes, I understand that and was not suggesting to use 6 kinds of pillars. Supernova also gives all kind of quanta, and for this deck, it is fully sufficient for 3 of the elements, so you need to add some extra boost for the 3 main ones only: :aether :time :lightI love this deck, thank you for sharing! One thing that bothered me about it is the unreliability of the quantum pillars. You mostly need :aether :time and :light quanta, and a bit of :fire :gravity :air to finish it off with the dragon-blitzIt's a joke, right? you just mentioned 6 elements are needed. An element-tower-based Limitless Speed would get you many bad draws, of getting no wanted pilars till the end of the game. That's what rainbows are: consistent with QT.
With the minimalistic 30-card supernova version I am getting less bad draws than with the original slim (simply because it is smaller).
Post by: Chapuz on December 13, 2011, 12:36:42 pm
I understand, it's not an easy-playing deck.
Post by: jawesome1 on December 17, 2011, 01:50:26 am
pure genius, chapuz
:P :P :P :P :P :P :P
Post by: jawesome1 on December 17, 2011, 03:59:42 pm
the strangest thing just happened with this deck.
i was against destiny, and i had chrysaora for a pet, which i kept using poison with. i also got 5 or 6 of my dim shields out early in the game already, which i just kept using. and after many turns i had:
a dimshield with 1turn left on my board(none left in my hand)
4 sanctuaries on my board
2 hourglasses on my board
3 parallel universes in my hand
and my precious dragon in my hand as well.
meanwhile, destiny only had ~80 health left, thanks to my chrysaora (for some reason destiny was to stupid to use eternity on it, and yet they used rewind on it once when they finally drew it)
and guess what else?
they had a 44/44 lava golem as well ;D
so mischievous little me plays my dragon and uses 3 parallel universes on that little golem, and before you know it, bye bye destiny (i EM'd him, although unfortunately i won no cards :()!
LOVIN THIS DECK :P :))
Post by: Elbirn on December 17, 2011, 04:08:59 pm
Post by: kobrahawk1210 on December 20, 2011, 02:09:37 am
Post by: ddevans96 on December 20, 2011, 02:11:17 am
Post by: Chapuz on December 20, 2011, 03:32:47 am
Post by: jawesome1 on December 20, 2011, 08:11:01 pm
Post by: jawesome1 on December 22, 2011, 09:25:50 pm
Post by: ThePolaris on December 22, 2011, 10:50:58 pm
i dont think decay is really a playable god because of quanta control...If you play the Fat or the Fatter version, you have Sanctuary for that. You can even bring Dark Matter down (although he is harder, Decay builds up his denial slowly, you have more time for that first Sanctuary).
Post by: Zso_Zso on December 22, 2011, 11:02:55 pm
Post by: MartinJ on December 28, 2011, 10:55:04 am
P.S. using fatty version
Post by: pvpmister on December 28, 2011, 01:00:43 pm
Post by: Chapuz on December 28, 2011, 01:10:35 pm
Love it! Get this added to fg archive quick!Deck in the anti FG decks achive ! ! !
Post by: DoubleCapitals on December 30, 2011, 01:08:18 am
Post by: Chapuz on December 30, 2011, 01:26:28 am
Which deck has the highest winrate?If you ask for the win rate itself, which is not the same as Electrum win rate, I would say the fat fat version is.
The slim version finishes the games faster, and Electrum is gained from won upped cards. So the slim version would be the most profittable.
Post by: r2krebirth on December 30, 2011, 04:57:53 am
Post by: MartinJ on December 30, 2011, 09:15:59 am
Post by: Chapuz on December 30, 2011, 02:24:37 pm
I love this deck, also added 3 purifies to fat fat, and now i'm beating poison having gods with EM or just easier.+1 for modding (Y)
Post by: r2krebirth on December 31, 2011, 06:35:02 am
already tried with jezebel.. too many steals before you can put ur hourglass and shields he'll just steal them away..
Post by: DonceB on December 31, 2011, 11:08:21 am
Post by: Chapuz on December 31, 2011, 12:56:06 pm
I wanted to make a instosis deck but it's too expensive to me. But now I found this deck, thank you :) I love this deck, good win rate and it's not so slowAbsolutely, and the upped version is faster and has higher win rate!
already tried with jezebel.. too many steals before you can put ur hourglass and shields he'll just steal them away..Jezebel is hard, but can be won depending on what she has.
Post by: rickerd on January 01, 2012, 06:10:08 pm
Strategies for each FG:Does that explain enough... :-X
Chaos Lord: Only 2 Steals, Deflags and Unsoppables. You can make him spend them in hourglasses and Sancts before the shields.
Decay: 4 Steals: Make him spend the first 1-2 in hourglasses and even a shield if you can, before playing a Sanctuary. After that, the game is yours. 90% EM (he can play a last-turn Drain life, but it's unlikely.
Destiny: Slow and without PC = 90% win rate and 80% EM. Granted.
Elidnis: Don't try to EM playing the 1st shield as soon as you can unless you have a Hourglass in your board. Then, it's the same as Destiny: 90% win rate.
Ferox: A bit rusher than most of the other FG, maybe you will have to play an early shield. VERY high win rate (70/80%) and EM granted.
Fire Queen: Can be like Ferox or like Destiny, depends how she starts. No problem at all. EM granted.
Hecate: Only 4 Steals, same as Decay. Just easier because he doesn't drain your precious quanta. EM granted.
Incarnate: Same as... maybe Ferox.
Lionheart: The easiest one. 100% win rate, 100% EM.
Miracle: 100% win rate, 100% EM.
Morte: You can handle the poison with the healing. 6 Sanctuaries are not for nothing.
Neptune: Eeeaaassyyy! The only way you don't EM is when he plays a last-turn Shockwave, what is really unlikely.
Osiris: His momentum is nothing compared with your healing, and you can resist some double-Trebuchets turns untill you get the combo.
Paradox: Like Ferox: Fast, but makes no challenge at all.
Scorpio: 1 or 2 early Physalias are a pain without some Sanctuaries. Otherwise, it's like Morte.
Serket: With a normal (not bad) hand and an early shield, he is a piece of cake.
Lionheart:
(http://s4.postimage.org/c7niyinpy/Lionheart.png) (http://www.postimage.org/)
Post by: Chapuz on January 01, 2012, 06:13:02 pm
Post by: Amheug-ui Maseuteo on January 02, 2012, 01:36:25 am
It gets RAPED by akebono btw.
:darkness
Post by: Chapuz on January 02, 2012, 01:41:02 pm
I'm currently testing the fat fat version of this deck as you said it had the highest win rate and I've so far found that there is rarely, if ever, enough :light and that it has a 10% win ratio so far (20 games, 2 wins, both EM) I'll post some better stats once I get up past 100 games but so far it just feels like there's too little :light apart from that it's a pretty fun deck.Akebono is a skip god, because of his massive momentum. Look at the OP, Akebono and mass CC FGs are skip ones. The other ones, are almost autowin. 20 games are not enough to make stats, because you could have faced Jezebel, Eternal phoenix, rainbow and the other skip FGs.
It gets RAPED by akebono btw.
:darkness
Read the god by god breakdown in the OP.
Post by: r2krebirth on January 02, 2012, 01:47:13 pm
btw having fun farming some of the false gods...
my stat so far
i cant win against morte, eternal phoenix, akebono, hecate, obliterator and hermes also dream carcher..
good thing is i won your deck against rainbow...
Post by: oblivion1212 on January 02, 2012, 02:28:25 pm
i just want to ask how did you get the shards... i dont know how to get one since i want to try your fat version but dont have the cards...easiest way to get the shards would be to grind silver (half-decent to okay decks + fair reward) OR bronze (subpar rewards + possibly pvp1 decks used by AI)
/snip
you can get shards from consecutive wins :)
Post by: Chapuz on January 02, 2012, 03:17:39 pm
i just want to ask how did you get the shards... i dont know how to get one since i want to try your fat version but dont have the cards...Grind bronze/silver, and try the slim version. That FGs toy couldn't win are the skip ones, read the OP.
btw having fun farming some of the false gods...
my stat so far
i cant win against morte, eternal phoenix, akebono, hecate, obliterator and hermes also dream carcher..
good thing is i won your deck against rainbow...
Post by: MartinJ on January 03, 2012, 05:37:09 am
rainbow isn't a skip god, well, i don't think he is, cuz i've beaten him 2/3 times :PI'm currently testing the fat fat version of this deck as you said it had the highest win rate and I've so far found that there is rarely, if ever, enough :light and that it has a 10% win ratio so far (20 games, 2 wins, both EM) I'll post some better stats once I get up past 100 games but so far it just feels like there's too little :light apart from that it's a pretty fun deck.Akebono is a skip god, because of his massive momentum. Look at the OP, Akebono and mass CC FGs are skip ones. The other ones, are almost autowin. 20 games are not enough to make stats, because you could have faced Jezebel, Eternal phoenix, rainbow and the other skip FGs.
It gets RAPED by akebono btw.
:darkness
Read the god by god breakdown in the OP.
Post by: furballdn on January 03, 2012, 05:47:03 am
i just want to ask how did you get the shards... i dont know how to get one since i want to try your fat version but dont have the cards...Shards? There aren't any shards in this. Are you referring to instosis? There's not any rare cards either. Just 6 upped ones.
Post by: Amheug-ui Maseuteo on January 03, 2012, 03:45:49 pm
:darkness
Post by: Chapuz on January 03, 2012, 04:00:28 pm
Well approaching 100 games now, should be done with some stats for the fat fat version soon, then I'll move onto a different deck and then I'll come back to do the slim slim version.Nice, thanks!
Post by: bripod on January 04, 2012, 05:13:08 am
As a noobie, I'd say add this one to your vault and ref the OP for the FG chart.
If you don't have a deck that can do better than 50% vs that FG and the chart shows that this deck is a contender...
try it... you'll be surprised...
Post by: Amheug-ui Maseuteo on January 14, 2012, 12:17:30 pm
Post by: zhangvict on January 17, 2012, 11:07:39 am
Post by: iancudorinmarian on January 17, 2012, 03:00:13 pm
Post by: furballdn on January 18, 2012, 01:32:44 am
can I upgrade only the dragon and the rage potion?I will upgrade the rest later.At the very least, you need the dragon and two rage potions upped. Otherwise you won't have enough for an OTK. The upped hourglasses help out tremendously as well, so up those too if you can.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on January 18, 2012, 07:06:02 pm
Post by: Amheug-ui Maseuteo on January 22, 2012, 02:41:25 pm
| deck | Limitless Speed FG OTK – Fatty Fat |
| players | Amheug-ui Maseuteo |
| version | 1.29 | win-rate | 32% | ||
| $ track ? | enabled | win-rate (n) | n.a. | ||
| games | 200 | Score/h | 205 | ||
| win-loss-(EM) | 64-136-(49) | Score/h (n) | n.a. | ||
| time (h:m:s) | 15:10:18 | FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | 2506 | ||
| min/game | 04:33 | FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | n.a. |
| score/h | FGei(c) | Statmasta™realtec | wins | losses | skips | EM/Wins |
| -1312 -162 -155 720 910 -202 -421 1097 -1004 1066 771 -440 -885 -800 -653 1070 -452 472 468 -307 701 -474 -452 -254 621 -253 -739 -545 -14 | -1312 443 2314 5263 4963 2268 -421 5212 -1004 5991 5076 1092 -885 -800 -653 6314 -452 2941 2743 -307 4632 -474 -452 -254 4479 509 -739 -545 1663 | Akebono Chaos Lord Dark Matter Decay Destiny Divine Glory Dream Catcher Elidnis Eternal Phoenix Ferox Fire Queen Gemini Graviton Hecate Hermes Incarnate Jezebel Lionheart Miracle Morte Neptune Obliterator Octane Osiris Paradox Rainbow Scorpio Seism Serket | 1 1 8 7 1 5 6 6 1 9 4 4 5 3 1 2 | 10 8 5 1 5 9 5 2 8 11 2 7 6 2 4 8 2 3 6 4 3 7 5 7 6 | | 1 1 7 6 4 4 5 7 4 4 3 3 |
You put Miracle as a 100%win, 100% EM but I won 4 and lost 4, making it a 50% win. I'ma put some GbG's here.
Akebono Skip. Not a single win.
Chaos Lord Skip. One lucky win so long ago I don't remember how I won.
Dark Matter Skip. Same as above
Decay Easy. One loss where I didn't pull a sanc for ages or the quanta for it for the entire game.
Divine Glory Skip. One lucky win where he didn't pull any explosions for the whole game - very rare.
Dream Catcher Skip. Not a single win.
Elidnis Easiest god of them all, even with a bad hand I slaughtered elidnis every time. Only CC is lobo so you can pull your dragon w/o momentum early and get a possible early win.
Eternal Phoenix Skip. Not a single win.
Ferox Another easy god. No CC whatsoever so pull your dragon early so you don't have to have a full 8 card combo in your hand.
Fire Queen Playable, depends on your starting hand. Lots of CC.
Gemini Skip. Only win was when he didn't pull momentum on more than a couple of creatures for a LONG time which was counteracted by my sancs. He pulls too much power to win.
Graviton Skip. Not a single win.
Hecate Skip. Not a single win. Only two matches out of 200 fights =/
Hermes Skip. Not a single win.
Incarnate Second easiest after elidnis. Has CC.
Jezebel Skip. Not a single win.
Lionheart Playable. Tends to deck himself out a lot, but still try for the combo as he can, and will, rewind his own creatures if he hasn't quint'd them to prevent himself from decking out.
Miracle has no CC so this should be far easier than it actually is, but far too many a time I was killed FAR before I managed to get my defences set up. He can get a 10/10 diving pegasus up on the first turn (rarely, but I've seen it happen) which will kill you in 5 turns on its own, never mind with the backup he WILL put down.
Morte Skip. Not a single win.
Neptune Playable, depends on your starting hand.
Obliterator Skip. Not a single win. Only three matches against him out of 200 =/
Octane Skip. Not a single win.
Osiris Skip. Not a single win.
paradox 50/50 for whether you win or not, it depends on your draw and his.
Rainbow Skip. Eats this deck for breakfast and spits out it's bloody remains. I got one VERY lucky quick win where he didn't pull much PC
Scorpio Skip. Not a single win.
Seism Skip. Not a single win.
Serket Take a look at your hand and maybe play a round or two before you skip this god, he is definitely beatable.
And there you go!
Post by: mwaetht on January 23, 2012, 08:39:44 pm
It's pretty good with a decent hand, but I find myself needing :time and only having Light Pendulums and Quantum Towers, or (very frequently) the reverse: needing :light for Sanctuary against a denial deck when I only have Time Pendulums and Quantum Towers. The use of three different quanta sources when I need two of those sources as soon as possible is the main reason I keep losing, because the deck requires mulligan and is liable to put only one source into my hand. Woe betide me when that source is a Quantum Tower.
Perhaps using Supernova and/or more Pendulums would help. Still, Supernova is wrecked by Black Hole spam, and more Pendulums reduces chance of drawing Phase Shield (the second main reason I keep losing).
Post by: masterada on January 24, 2012, 08:27:37 pm
I havent been playing for a while, but i still look back at the forum if theres any new anti-FG deck, with some good idea.
Back in the day, i tried to make my own unupped ultimatecombo fg deck, without much success, so this deck got my attention when i saw it, and inspired me to try to do the whole 8-card combo 200+dmg with 7 card. Althought i failed with 7, i managed to do it with 7.5 o.O
This is just an idea, not tested, more expensive and probably harder to play. But if played well, it should grant higher EM rate and more fun (at least in theory :))
So the basic idea is to change the current 8-card combo:
to this 7-card combo:
(the shards are shard of readiness)
How to use: summon dragon, use mitosis, then shard of readiness, summon 2 dragons, then 2nd readiness (on the first dragon), summon 2 more dragons, etc., then use the Sky Blitz
At the end, u have 9 dragons, each with 26 atk, but with no momentum. If the shield blocks 3 dmg from each dragon, u will have 23*9 = 207 dmg, so its still enough.
The problem comes when there's a bone wall/improved dusk/dissipation shield/phase shield. For these u will need momentum, so lets put in a Chimera :).
I promised u higher EM rate, so here it comes. As u only need to use the Chimera at 5/15 of the beatable gods (accourding to the guide at 1st page, these five: chaos lord, decay, hecate, incarnate, morte), u can throw it away whenever ur hand is full in other situations, so u can use one more card. Make the +1 a heal, and it should help u get back ur lost life right before the finishing blow, or buy some time in early/middle game, or just throw it away if u dont need it. With it the new cards in the deck:
And the full deck (slim version):
also, u may need to finetune the number and type of pillars/pendulums
ps: provided on an as is basis
Post by: Chapuz on January 24, 2012, 08:36:03 pm
I havent been playing for a while, but i still look back at the forum if theres any new anti-FG deck, with some good idea.Well, watching just the light pendulums it seems you haven't worked on it a lot of time xD
Back in the day, i tried to make my own unupped ultimatecombo fg deck, without much success, so this deck got my attention when i saw it, and inspired me to try to do the whole 8-card combo 200+dmg with 7 card. Althought i failed with 7, i managed to do it with 7.5 o.O
This is just an idea, not tested, more expensive and probably harder to play. But if played well, it should grant higher EM rate and more fun (at least in theory :))
So the basic idea is to change the current 8-card combo:
to this 7-card combo:
(the shards are shard of readiness)
How to use: summon dragon, use mitosis, then shard of readiness, summon 2 dragons, then 2nd readiness (on the first dragon), summon 2 more dragons, etc., then use the Sky Blitz
At the end, u have 9 dragons, each with 26 atk, but with no momentum. If the shield blocks 3 dmg from each dragon, u will have 23*9 = 207 dmg, so its still enough.
The problem comes when there's a bone wall/improved dusk/dissipation shield/phase shield. For these u will need momentum, so lets put in a Chimera :).
I promised u higher EM rate, so here it comes. As u only need to use the Chimera at 5/15 of the beatable gods (accourding to the guide at 1st page, these five: chaos lord, decay, hecate, incarnate, morte), u can throw it away whenever ur hand is full in other situations, so u can use one more card. Make the +1 a heal, and it should help u get back ur lost life right before the finishing blow, or buy some time in early/middle game, or just throw it away if u dont need it. With it the new cards in the deck:
And the full deck (slim version):
also, u may need to finetune the number and type of pillars/pendulums
ps: provided on an as is basis
Thanks for that deck! I posted a fully upped version (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32292). I will see if I can work on a reliable semi unupped version, chacking your decks time quanta issues.
Post by: masterada on January 24, 2012, 08:53:51 pm
Post by: Chapuz on January 28, 2012, 01:43:54 am
| deck | Limitless Speed FG OTK – Fatty Fat |
| players | Amheug-ui Maseuteo |
| version | 1.29 | win-rate | 32% | ||
| $ track ? | enabled | win-rate (n) | n.a. | ||
| games | 200 | Score/h | 205 | ||
| win-loss-(EM) | 64-136-(49) | Score/h (n) | n.a. | ||
| time (h:m:s) | 15:10:18 | FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | 2506 | ||
| min/game | 04:33 | FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | n.a. |
F*** yeah!
Post by: Poker Alho on February 04, 2012, 02:35:12 am
got 3 cards in 1 match against decay... it was beautiful *.*
Post by: zhangvict on February 04, 2012, 01:11:54 pm
Post by: Poker Alho on February 04, 2012, 01:20:11 pm
12 cards in 30 minutes is exteremely lucky even assuming you win every singly game you play. Apart from the 3 cards in 1 game from decay, did you get lucky on all your other spins?i think from all the games i played, only 3 of them i didnt got any cards at all (not counting the FGs i passed that werent on the list of beatable gods)
yes very lucky indeed :DDD
Post by: Chapuz on February 04, 2012, 10:57:35 pm
Post by: Poker Alho on February 05, 2012, 02:23:22 am
only thing i want to add is maybe take out hecate from beatable gods list for the slim version
Post by: eaglgenes101 on February 20, 2012, 07:12:34 am
Post by: thejon on February 22, 2012, 07:02:43 pm
I'm "up" 775 coins and 9 cards, for a total 11352 electrium gain.
Only change I've made is all my towers (minus one) are upgraded as well, as is one of my pendulums. I'm not sure this is making much of a difference at all, but I had them already upgraded from my old semi-upped deck and figured it sure wouldn't hurt!
Post by: ArcticNewb on February 24, 2012, 08:37:32 am
I like all versions of it, I honestly not sure which one to use.
Thanks a lot for making a very good semi upped deck. :) Also thank you for putting the beatable gods in alphabetical order, when using the RoL/Hope deck it was annoying first getting the hang of the how to beat the gods.
Post by: 13urningGuy on March 03, 2012, 06:24:31 am
Post by: Chapuz on March 03, 2012, 04:09:36 pm
I seem to be doing something wrong, I've played something like 10 matches with this deck, and haven't won a single one :lAs there are many auto loose FGs, that may happen. It all compenses when gaining upped cards ^-^
Post by: iancudorinmarian on March 23, 2012, 08:15:05 am
very good job Chapuz
Post by: Ominix on March 28, 2012, 08:43:46 pm
also, imo the fat version is better than "fat fat." Having too many cards opens up the possibility of losing due to sheer bad deck order. nothing you can do if you dont draw an hourglass, or a shield until turn6 or 7... Doesn't happen often, but happens more often w/ the fat fat version. Another problem with the 6 sancs is as you get towards the end of your deck, there is a much greater chance of being low on light quanta. Even if you manage your quanta effectively and dont play the sanctuaries if you dont have 13 light quanta yet, you end up losing hourglass draws, and thus precious turns on your shield due to having no space to draw. Then you are faced with the choice, do I risk playing my 4th or 5th unnecessary sanc in order to allow me to use hourglass? because you might draw the 8th card for the combo with not enough mana to play them all.
All in all having more cards also means it takes longer to win (or lose) so overall you aren't saving any time, and in my experience it has slowed me down giving me false hope and prolonging losses due to quadruple trebuchets with a few cards left to go in the deck etc.
Post by: Ominix on March 28, 2012, 08:57:30 pm
Post by: Celtic_Legend on March 29, 2012, 08:37:03 am
Post by: Chapuz on March 29, 2012, 11:48:19 am
This deck has really worked well for me, I'm now on my way to building up to a fully upped version, I found that the upped hourglasses were really helpful but I was able to only upgrade the two rage potions and the dragon to start with and build up from that. I would reccomend this to any new player.Absolutely, hourglasses are the first card to upgrade after the basic combo ones!
Post by: Poker Alho on March 29, 2012, 03:49:29 pm
Post by: whatifidogetcaught? on March 29, 2012, 04:15:09 pm
Post by: Poker Alho on March 29, 2012, 04:25:21 pm
Completely unupped (minus one parallel universe) it pwns AI 3's :Pi dont know of any anti-FG deck that cant beat AI3 but i will assume you are not seriously looking into this deck as an AI3 farmer
Post by: whatifidogetcaught? on March 29, 2012, 04:29:17 pm
I only have 1000 :electrum , so I'm really searching for ways to rack up money quick. I've been looking up decks that consistently beat FG's, so this excited me, and all I need to do is grind until I can upgrade this whole deck.Completely unupped (minus one parallel universe) it pwns AI 3's :Pi dont know of any anti-FG deck that cant beat AI3 but i will assume you are not seriously looking into this deck as an AI3 farmer
Post by: AnmL on March 29, 2012, 06:08:56 pm
I understand OTK - but I think I'm too stupid to play that deck. I mean, if I get a pillar, I play it. If I get a dimensional shield, although my equipped one still has 2 turns on it I have to play it because I cannot drop momentum, nor parallel universe, nor rage potion, nor skyblitz, not my dragon, I have to play the shield and then I might run out of shields early. I admit that is a bad situation, especially when there is no hourglass/sancutary to drop, but it happened to me 3 times.
Also, a simple maths problem: my light dragon has 12 HP. A rage elixier will deal +6/-6 per card. That leaves my dragon dead in my opinion. Am I missing something?
I don't say I couldnt imagine to add here and there something, leave out the other. But from my experience with the deck, no chance, I dont understand this thread.
Post by: omegareaper7 on March 29, 2012, 06:13:26 pm
Also, a simple maths problem: my light dragon has 12 HP. A rage elixier will deal +6/-6 per card. That leaves my dragon dead in my opinion. Am I missing something?
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Momentum gives plus 1/1
Post by: AnmL on March 29, 2012, 06:20:39 pm
Also, a simple maths problem: my light dragon has 12 HP. A rage elixier will deal +6/-6 per card. That leaves my dragon dead in my opinion. Am I missing something?Aye caramba! Thanks!
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Momentum gives plus 1/1
Post by: AnmL on March 31, 2012, 01:58:52 pm
Post by: avidteen13 on April 02, 2012, 12:24:01 am
Post by: whatifidogetcaught? on April 02, 2012, 12:25:25 am
What does OTK stand for?One-Turn Kill.
Post by: eaglgenes101 on April 02, 2012, 12:48:57 am
Post by: Chapuz on April 02, 2012, 03:59:05 pm
Could this + 6 purifies be a semi-upped counter to Scorpio?I think so, but there might be unupped specific counters for every single FG if that is what you are looking for.
Post by: eaglgenes101 on April 02, 2012, 10:36:22 pm
They haven't found the unupped counter to scorpio yet. A semi-upped counter is the next best thing (And plus, this has no rares!).Could this + 6 purifies be a semi-upped counter to Scorpio?I think so, but there might be unupped specific counters for every single FG if that is what you are looking for.
Post by: whatifidogetcaught? on April 05, 2012, 01:42:39 pm
Post by: Chapuz on April 05, 2012, 03:15:15 pm
which arena does this work best?It works well in platinum because all the CC is ignored :D
Post by: whatifidogetcaught? on April 05, 2012, 05:50:02 pm
Is PC low in there?which arena does this work best?It works well in platinum because all the CC is ignored :D
Post by: Chapuz on April 05, 2012, 06:58:24 pm
Matter of luck, but there are LOTS of SoSa decks which are auto win because AI doesn't play SoSa when you have no creatures. There are tones of ghostmares too, winnable if you get an early Sanctuary. There areIs PC low in there?which arena does this work best?It works well in platinum because all the CC is ignored :D
Post by: whatifidogetcaught? on April 05, 2012, 08:46:35 pm
Post by: eaglgenes101 on April 09, 2012, 10:01:54 pm
Strategy: Play only of each pillar/pendulum until you are under a secure shield chain, then gradually ramp up the number of pillars/pendulums played. Watch your quanta carefully.
Post by: Chapuz on April 20, 2012, 10:43:02 am
EDIT: testing version 2: Lots'a healling, lots'a stall, lots'a OHKO
Post by: Poker Alho on April 20, 2012, 04:35:37 pm
Post by: Blue101 on April 30, 2012, 07:09:00 am
Code: [Select]
4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 55q 5ia 5ia 5lm 5lm 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5op 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 61r 61r 61r 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 7dr 7dr 7jq 7q5 7q5 7q5 8puthe added purify is some nice healing and it counters gods that use poison. I added a light pendulum because I was low on light quanta for the combo after playing multiple sanctuaries.
My only complaint is that it really stinks when you get the full combo with more than 15 cards left in the deck, because you almost never have enough quanta to play it at that point. and if you have the Full combo but can't play it, it's MUCH MUCH more likely that you will lose because the deck can no longer one turn kill.
Post by: Chapuz on April 30, 2012, 02:42:46 pm
My only complaint is that it really stinks when you get the full combo with more than 15 cards left in the deck, because you almost never have enough quanta to play it at that point. and if you have the Full combo but can't play it, it's MUCH MUCH more likely that you will lose because the deck can no longer one turn kill.It almost never happens, at least to me. I think I would discard the Momentum in that situation, and hope both dragons are not killed in that turn :P
Post by: desire on April 30, 2012, 08:28:23 pm
Post by: eaglgenes101 on April 30, 2012, 10:39:36 pm
Post by: noah1212 on May 24, 2012, 08:46:31 pm
Post by: Chapuz on May 24, 2012, 10:21:00 pm
are all of the fg's with out a strategy listed in the op supposed to be skipped?Mainly, they are FGs with 12 PC cards.
Post by: Atisdai on May 28, 2012, 02:26:44 am
I am not new here, but only played casually a year or so ago.
Recently I came back to try and play the game again, and tried out this FG deck (partially upgraded from when i used to play), but I can't seem to win a match for the life of me.
If the FG has a steal/destroy they usually go straight for my shields, and the creatures pound me into dust.
I win about 1 of 10 matches so far, which is... discouraging, simply because I never stay alive long enough to get down to even 15 cards.
Did something change since this deck had been created?
Post by: Drake_XIV on May 28, 2012, 02:29:00 am
Post by: Chapuz on May 28, 2012, 02:42:24 am
Hey all.Look at the skip list. This deck wins against FGs with no high permanent control.
I am not new here, but only played casually a year or so ago.
Recently I came back to try and play the game again, and tried out this FG deck (partially upgraded from when i used to play), but I can't seem to win a match for the life of me.
If the FG has a steal/destroy they usually go straight for my shields, and the creatures pound me into dust.
I win about 1 of 10 matches so far, which is... discouraging, simply because I never stay alive long enough to get down to even 15 cards.
Did something change since this deck had been created?
Post by: Intense Power on June 03, 2012, 11:29:45 am
Post by: Poker Alho on June 03, 2012, 11:34:54 am
Is it just me or do you guys find that often a card you need is the very last card.. really good deck thou im on a 7 and 2 so far but pretty easy gods so far
thats usually a good thing, as it prevents you from having a full hand ready for the combo when you still dont have enough quanta for it :)
Post by: Chapuz on June 03, 2012, 02:48:45 pm
Yeah, the big amount of Hourglasses makes the deck "size-proof". Shields provide up to 18 stalling turns, and on average you can draw 4 cards per turn, what makes having a combo card in the last card of the deck not a problem.Is it just me or do you guys find that often a card you need is the very last card.. really good deck thou im on a 7 and 2 so far but pretty easy gods so farthats usually a good thing, as it prevents you from having a full hand ready for the combo when you still dont have enough quanta for it :)
Post by: Zac33333 on June 19, 2012, 05:12:14 am
Post by: Zac33333 on June 20, 2012, 04:08:14 pm
Gemini is possible to beat. Beating him requires a good hand (Like Serket) and early Shields/Hourglasses/Sanctuaries. The faster you can get through your deck, the more likely you are to win.
Strategy: Get your shields Chained up (Save up like 3 in hand until you start chaining them)and hope for early Hourglasses. You don't need Sancts until he plays Massive Dragons.
If you run slim, your chances of beating him are slimmer than your deck is. If you run Fatty, it's possible. If you run FAT FAT, It may be harder than Fatty because you need fast Hourglasses with good quanta.
Screenie:
(http://i.imgur.com/WMXq0.jpg)
Post by: Zso_Zso on June 20, 2012, 04:38:21 pm
Post by: Poker Alho on June 20, 2012, 07:48:06 pm
Gemini and some others with momentum become much easier to beat if you add some electrocutors -- also for Morte and Serket, a purify can help a lot. Here the version I am using with both included:
just one little detail: you should post your variation in the other thread of the deck, the fully upped version, instead of posting it here :P, as this version is more newb-oriented
Post by: JuneIsSunny on June 29, 2012, 01:54:00 am
Post by: Zac33333 on July 03, 2012, 04:13:55 pm
I recommend removing Hecate from the list of Possible FGs. I'd auto-quit her if I were all of you. You need an extremely lucky hand, and even then there's not a high chance.
Post by: freemod1espilon on July 05, 2012, 01:34:35 pm
Post by: Zac33333 on July 05, 2012, 01:42:55 pm
Is Osiris still possible with the inclusion of shard of focus?
I don't think so, because Osiris has a lot of Black Holes and Enchanted Pulvies (Untouchable), so SoFo wouldn't do much.
Post by: Chapuz on July 05, 2012, 09:13:40 pm
I think you aren't taling about Osiris...Is Osiris still possible with the inclusion of shard of focus?I don't think so, because Osiris has a lot of Black Holes and Enchanted Pulvies (Untouchable), so SoFo wouldn't do much.
Post by: freemod1espilon on July 06, 2012, 12:57:47 am
Post by: Chapuz on July 06, 2012, 01:00:17 am
Osiris now has Shards of focus so I ask is he still as easy as it says?Nope, it's medium now. At least with the non-suppa fat version, against which it's hard now. I must change it in the OP.
Post by: Hiddje123 on July 08, 2012, 10:20:50 pm
Other then that it would just be like destiny or neptune except that EM is almost impossible.
Edit: So far i'm on 9 out of 14 wins so 64%, definitely worth trying at least.
Edit edit: Just saw Zso with a similar post so sorry for double post. However, the lobo isn't even needed for gemini. 3 sancts from the fatty version is more then enough :)
Post by: OdinVanguard on July 27, 2012, 06:05:10 pm
It can kill with 1 less rage elixer: (12+1+6)*2*4=152
or 1 less PU: (12+1+6+6)*2*3=150
It also can get the OTK by using unupped rage potions and an unupped Gold Dragon: (10+1+5+5)*2*4=168.
So for half-blood hunter, you only really need 3 upped cards (the hourglasses) to get started.
I've only field tested it for a few dozen games so far, but the only ones that give me much trouble are those heavy on PC (deflags, steals or pulvies) and those heavy on momentum. Better the EM rate is extremely high as well.
I think this makes for a great stepping stone deck for newbies trying to work their way up to hunting FG.
AWESOME job Chapuz!
Post by: Mealatus on October 24, 2012, 02:10:57 pm
Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic."
lol.
Thanks so much for taking my game to the next level Chapuz. I started out a week ago with a gay mono-aether deck, now i'm getting close to an almost fully upgraded "fat deck". In the future I'm going to switch to {In
Post by: gamefanaticX on October 29, 2012, 11:51:59 am
I started like one month and a half ago with playing elements.
After AI3 grinding I went quiqly to T3 Bronze grinding (but didn't found a deck that won every time yet).
Then i went to PvP1 and realized this was a electrum-mine! Also, I won a few times against players with a lot higher level.
One time I won 3 shards of readiness with the spin!!! It was against a very high player, but yeah I had a good hand and draw. :P
Then I thought, it's time for the next step, let's go for the FG's. Did some research on the forum again.
Then I found your deck and just kept grinding PvP1 until I had 10,000 electrum.
While grinding I searched for a good T3 Bronze grinder and found the mono-Darkness (wich I haven't bought yet).
I can't compare to other FG decks, but after 2 losses with slim version, I used your fatty version.
It works fine.
Note that i use the semi-unupped version with 6 upped cards.
The positive thing about the fatty version is, it has those sanctuaries.
Not only do they heal you providing a higher chance to win, but they also have a good chance of giving you a 100HP-bonus win resulting in more electrum.
It doesn't make that much of a difference, 120 electrum instead of 60. But that's still a nice benefit.
But the point is, if you know the concept of a half-god, then it's pretty impressive if you win against it with 100HP left. Wich your fatty-version does..
With it I have like about a 40% win ratio. But i only played 13 games against it yet, so this could be a totally wrong statement.
I haven't tried the fat fat version, but I think the slim version has a low survivability. I'm going to try the fat fat version soon.
I feel like the fatty version needs more hourglasses, like you said about the slim version --> possibly good adjustments.
There are a few things about it though. You told the main strategy is to OHKO with the eight cards and you explained how.
But for example Miracle or Ferox in the games I played haven't used CC yet.
So I lost those games by following the strategy you explained.
Instead I could have won by just using up the twin universes, golden dragon, rage elixers I had in my hand atm.
So for everyone first trying a HG-deck I would explain that with for example Miracle and Ferox, you don't need to follow the strategy strict.
As for the the FG's using CC, a lot of them, I would go for the main strategy you explained.
Okay, maybe I had to do my homework better on the different FG's.
Thanks a lot for the FG-deck :),
cheers
Post by: Chapuz on October 29, 2012, 03:50:13 pm
Dear Chapuz,
I started like one month and a half ago with playing elements.
After AI3 grinding I went quiqly to T3 Bronze grinding (but didn't found a deck that won every time yet).
Then i went to PvP1 and realized this was a electrum-mine! Also, I won a few times against players with a lot higher level.
One time I won 3 shards of readiness with the spin!!! It was against a very high player, but yeah I had a good hand and draw. :P
Then I thought, it's time for the next step, let's go for the FG's. Did some research on the forum again.
Then I found your deck and just kept grinding PvP1 until I had 10,000 electrum.
While grinding I searched for a good T3 Bronze grinder and found the mono-Darkness (wich I haven't bought yet).
I can't compare to other FG decks, but after 2 losses with slim version, I used your fatty version.
It works fine.
Note that i use the semi-unupped version with 6 upped cards.
The positive thing about the fatty version is, it has those sanctuaries.
Not only do they heal you providing a higher chance to win, but they also have a good chance of giving you a 100HP-bonus win resulting in more electrum.
It doesn't make that much of a difference, 120 electrum instead of 60. But that's still a nice benefit.
But the point is, if you know the concept of a half-god, then it's pretty impressive if you win against it with 100HP left. Wich your fatty-version does..
With it I have like about a 40% win ratio. But i only played 13 games against it yet, so this could be a totally wrong statement.
I haven't tried the fat fat version, but I think the slim version has a low survivability. I'm going to try the fat fat version soon.
I feel like the fatty version needs more hourglasses, like you said about the slim version --> possibly good adjustments.
There are a few things about it though. You told the main strategy is to OHKO with the eight cards and you explained how.
But for example Miracle or Ferox in the games I played haven't used CC yet.
So I lost those games by following the strategy you explained.
Instead I could have won by just using up the twin universes, golden dragon, rage elixers I had in my hand atm.
So for everyone first trying a HG-deck I would explain that with for example Miracle and Ferox, you don't need to follow the strategy strict.
As for the the FG's using CC, a lot of them, I would go for the main strategy you explained.
Okay, maybe I had to do my homework better on the different FG's.
Thanks a lot for the FG-deck :),
cheers
About Ferox, it heals like a monster. You can play an incomplete combo if you have the cards and quanta, he won't kill your dragons because it doesn't have any kind of CC. They will surely not kill him though, but you get your hand clean.
Post by: gamefanaticX on October 30, 2012, 11:29:38 am
Good news to everyone!!! In the 1.30 update now AI preferes to steal and destroy Sundials before Hourglasses and Dimentional Shields! That means there is a possibility of having a higher win rate adding 6 sundials to the deck, as baits for hourglasses and shields! Due a pair of exams I have next week, I will be able to start making stats next friday, so any help is welcome.I use your fat fat version now. For me this works at least as good as the fatty version.
Sundials are a nice addition.
I added 3 sundials to try-out.
One time I was against Fire Queen.
I used a sundial to get rid of it and make space to find the last card for the combo, digging through the last 4 cards. I still had one card in my deck.
So I used all the cards for the combo, pressed SPACE-bar and nothing happened, Fire Queen's turn.
The phase shield kept me alive, just in time to deck out the last turn :(.
I thought how did this happened?
Then I realised, damn, it was that sundial.
Okay not very smart of me to start drawing while using the sundial.
At the other hand, I'm not used to playing this deck and only play for a short time.
Sundial isn't a shield so momentum can't help you.
Sundials IMO are a nice addition.
But for all the newbie players like myself, don't use a sundial at the same time you dig for your last combo-card like I did ;D.
Post by: gamefanaticX on October 30, 2012, 11:43:58 am
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HERE (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7919.0.html) is a list with the FG decks, where you can see what FGs have CC.
About Ferox, it heals like a monster. You can play an incomplete combo if you have the cards and quanta, he won't kill your dragons because it doesn't have any kind of CC. They will surely not kill him though, but you get your hand clean.
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Thanks for the comment. In that case either way I would have lost to Ferox, didn't had shields up in time.
But I use fat fat version now, I think I would have had a higher chance with fat fat.
Post by: Chapuz on October 30, 2012, 03:39:28 pm
Sundials can help, and a lot. The only reason I didn't put 6 in each deck was because they consume :light and it uses to be the tightest elements, speaking about quanta. I have just thought that it's more probable to gain the consumed :light than don't doing it, so they would be absolutely useful.Good news to everyone!!! In the 1.30 update now AI preferes to steal and destroy Sundials before Hourglasses and Dimentional Shields! That means there is a possibility of having a higher win rate adding 6 sundials to the deck, as baits for hourglasses and shields! Due a pair of exams I have next week, I will be able to start making stats next friday, so any help is welcome.I use your fat fat version now. For me this works at least as good as the fatty version.
Sundials are a nice addition.
I added 3 sundials to try-out.
One time I was against Fire Queen.
I used a sundial to get rid of it and make space to find the last card for the combo, digging through the last 4 cards. I still had one card in my deck.
So I used all the cards for the combo, pressed SPACE-bar and nothing happened, Fire Queen's turn.
The phase shield kept me alive, just in time to deck out the last turn :(.
I thought how did this happened?
Then I realised, damn, it was that sundial.
Okay not very smart of me to start drawing while using the sundial.
At the other hand, I'm not used to playing this deck and only play for a short time.
Sundial isn't a shield so momentum can't help you.
Sundials IMO are a nice addition.
But for all the newbie players like myself, don't use a sundial at the same time you dig for your last combo-card like I did ;D.
The only precaution to take: DO NOT draw the last card of the deck if you have just played a Sundial! :P
I will make some stats for each deck with 6 Sundials in each one, starting next Tuesday (exams until Tuesday, sorry). If anyone can help me gaining time with personal stats, I would be grateful!
Post by: gamefanaticX on November 01, 2012, 04:28:20 pm
The only precaution to take: DO NOT draw the last card of the deck if you have just played a Sundial
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You mean, don't draw cards when you have just played a sundial and already have 7 of the eight cards for the combo in your hand.
This can be the case if you still have for instance 10 cards in your deck.
But, it's even more stupid playing sundial and start drawing the last card... wich I did ;D.
Post by: Harune on November 03, 2012, 06:38:04 pm
This deck brings so much fun to the game, I was close to forgetting about the game completely when I discovered the forums and this deck, and now I'm playing again. It can be seriously annoying sometimes, when I don't draw any hourglasses or shields to save my butt in the beginning. I actually lost to MIRACLE because of this <.< But then again, sometimes this deck is just so hilarious to play, especially when this happens:
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2582iia.jpg)
276 HP OHKO with EM, sure, why not? Since you were so kind as to make me a kick-ass blessed Pegasus to work with.
(Technically not OTK since he was already damaged, but would have died anyway, so whatevs.)
Post by: Blaze on November 03, 2012, 06:56:37 pm
With the reduction of half-blood HP from 200 to 150, this deck makes a very nice half-blood hunter.
It can kill with 1 less rage elixer: (12+1+6)*2*4=152
or 1 less PU: (12+1+6+6)*2*3=150
It also can get the OTK by using unupped rage potions and an unupped Gold Dragon: (10+1+5+5)*2*4=168.
So for half-blood hunter, you only really need 3 upped cards (the hourglasses) to get started.
I've only field tested it for a few dozen games so far, but the only ones that give me much trouble are those heavy on PC (deflags, steals or pulvies) and those heavy on momentum. Better the EM rate is extremely high as well.
I think this makes for a great stepping stone deck for newbies trying to work their way up to hunting FG.
AWESOME job Chapuz!
Here's the list I grind HBs with. I started with nearly everything unupped except hour glasses and quantum towers. Anyway I think it's time for me to start grinding FGs, but the deck has served me well against HBs.
How do I insert a previewed screen shot of the deck?
Post by: Chapuz on November 03, 2012, 07:19:58 pm
How do I insert a previewed screen shot of the deck?with this:
Code: [Select]
[deck] INSERT DECK CODE HERE [/deck](click on the 5th button of the 2nd row of button)Yours would look like this:
Post by: andretimpa on December 16, 2012, 03:00:49 pm
Post by: sirwoofy on December 26, 2012, 06:57:02 pm
Post by: Raptor6789 on January 03, 2013, 02:25:10 am
(http://i.imgur.com/I7RQO.png)
Parallel universe on his 37|37 RoL, + Momentum + 2 Rage elixers + PU + Sky Blitz = 200 damage :D
Post by: ace1012003 on January 03, 2013, 08:11:02 am
Post by: Jenkar on January 10, 2013, 08:14:41 pm
| deck | Limitless Speed unupped |
| players | Jenkar |
| version | 1.321 | win-rate | 33.85% | ||
| $ track ? | enabled | win-rate (n) | 34.81% | ||
| games | 195 | Score/h | 118 | ||
| win-loss-(EM) | 66-129-(0) | Score/h (n) | 135 | ||
| time (h:m:s) | 09:12:37 | FGei[c]* (http://elementsforum.co.cc/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | 3734 | ||
| min/game | 02:50 | FGei[cn]* (http://elementsforum.co.cc/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | 3716 |
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| deck | Limitless Speed unupped |
| players | Jenkar |
| version | 1.321 | win-rate | 32.82% | ||
| $ track ? | enabled | win-rate (n) | 33.95% | ||
| games | 195 | Score/h | 136 | ||
| win-loss-(EM) | 64-131-(0) | Score/h (n) | 162 | ||
| time (h:m:s) | 06:30:33 | FGei[c]* (http://elementsforum.co.cc/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | 5127 | ||
| min/game | 02:00 | FGei[cn]* (http://elementsforum.co.cc/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) | 5014 |
| score/h | FGei(c) | Statmasta™realtec | wins | losses | skips | EM/Wins |
| -27000 -27000 -27000 128 893 -69 -27000 921 -27000 938 709 -27000 -27000 -27000 -27000 641 -27000 550 856 163 488 -495 -27000 -27000 883 -27000 -27000 111 709 | -27000 -27000 -27000 3373 6640 4298 -27000 6067 -27000 7564 6620 -27000 -27000 -27000 -27000 5975 -27000 4447 5639 3553 4686 3528 -27000 -27000 7263 -27000 -27000 4029 6776 | Akebono Chaos Lord Dark Matter Decay Destiny Divine Glory Dream Catcher Elidnis Eternal Phoenix Ferox Fire Queen Gemini Graviton Hecate Hermes Incarnate Jezebel Lionheart Miracle Morte Neptune Obliterator Octane Osiris Paradox Rainbow Scorpio Seism Serket | 2 3 2 6 6 9 5 4 6 3 2 1 8 2 5 | 3 6 1 2 2 2 1 5 1 5 4 2 | 3 4 10 7 5 12 7 7 6 3 4 5 12 12 | |
Post by: Chapuz on January 19, 2013, 01:00:52 pm
Which version did you test exactly? Looking at Serket's high W/L and Gemini's low one I guess the slim one, but wanna be sure
deck Limitless Speed unupped players Jenkar Statmasta™realtec
version 1.321
win-rate 33.85% $ track ? enabled
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Score/h 118 win-loss-(EM) 66-129-(0)
Score/h (n) 135 time (h:m:s) 09:12:37
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Fire Queen
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Graviton
Hecate
Hermes
Incarnate
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Lionheart
Miracle
Morte
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Obliterator
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version 1.321
win-rate 32.82% $ track ? enabled
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Score/h 136 win-loss-(EM) 64-131-(0)
Score/h (n) 162 time (h:m:s) 06:30:33
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Divine Glory
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Ferox
Fire Queen
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Graviton
Hecate
Hermes
Incarnate
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Lionheart
Miracle
Morte
Neptune
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Post by: gekr on January 19, 2013, 01:06:45 pm
in my opinion this is the best deck for begginers. i myself am fairly new and i haven't played a lot but i seem to do pretty good farming false gods with this deck. i have a lack of rare cards but i am building a nice collection of upped cards. thank you for sharing this deck.
i agree a lot! this deck is absolutely fantastic for farming FG's
Post by: Jenkar on January 19, 2013, 01:08:01 pm
slim.Which version did you test exactly? Looking at Serket's high W/L and Gemini's low one I guess the slim one, but wanna be sure
deck Limitless Speed unupped players Jenkar Statmasta™realtec
version 1.321
win-rate 33.85% $ track ? enabled
win-rate (n) 34.81% games 195
Score/h 118 win-loss-(EM) 66-129-(0)
Score/h (n) 135 time (h:m:s) 09:12:37
FGei[c]* (http://elementsforum.co.cc/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) 3734 min/game 02:50
FGei[cn]* (http://elementsforum.co.cc/index.php/topic,14626.0.html) 3716
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Chaos Lord
Dark Matter
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Destiny
Divine Glory
Dream Catcher
Elidnis
Eternal Phoenix
Ferox
Fire Queen
Gemini
Graviton
Hecate
Hermes
Incarnate
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Lionheart
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Morte
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deck Limitless Speed unupped players Jenkar Statmasta™realtec
version 1.321
win-rate 32.82% $ track ? enabled
win-rate (n) 33.95% games 195
Score/h 136 win-loss-(EM) 64-131-(0)
Score/h (n) 162 time (h:m:s) 06:30:33
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Post by: trashduke on January 24, 2013, 07:52:09 am
ah well...
Post by: Chapuz on January 24, 2013, 01:20:23 pm
Jeez. talk about a string of bad luck - I just lost twice to Destiny and once to Elidnis..... using the Fat version. It was mainly time quanta or HG problems - it seemed that I either had one or the other, but not both at the same time. :'(Slim version lets you have less bad draws, try it!
ah well...
Post by: trashduke on January 24, 2013, 10:01:32 pm
Jeez. talk about a string of bad luck - I just lost twice to Destiny and once to Elidnis..... using the Fat version. It was mainly time quanta or HG problems - it seemed that I either had one or the other, but not both at the same time. :'(Slim version lets you have less bad draws, try it!
ah well...
Will do, but it also seems that Destiny got a lot smarter/harder. This time I was chugging along, but she drew an air nymph to create a bunch of unstable gases - woof!
Post by: trashduke on January 30, 2013, 03:28:05 am
As many have said before - Thanks Chapuz.
Post by: Chapuz on January 30, 2013, 03:34:29 am
I know it's designed for FGs, but this is also an awesome deck for farming HBs - might not be as fast as some decks, but it is very consistent and kicks butt. (I'm going to try using the Fatty version with 1 purify added - to get EMs even when the HB uses poison early on). I don't know if anyone has stats on this deck vs. HBs, but I bet it ranks up there pretty high. pretty awesome for 6 upped (or really only 3 upped cards needed for the combo).
As many have said before - Thanks Chapuz.
Half Bloods are not profittable at all. If you feel you lose too much in FGs with only 3 upgrades, try Firecell Scavengers, which has practically the same build with a different combo. Just to get enough electrum yo get the 6 upgrades =)
Post by: ddevans96 on January 30, 2013, 03:47:12 am
Half Bloods are not profittable at all.
Unless you're at the point where you're selling upping cards, they're at least as profitable as FGs. Faster matches and more wins.
Post by: eaglgenes101 on January 30, 2013, 03:52:08 am
Post by: trashduke on February 08, 2013, 04:12:23 am
Half Bloods are not profittable at all.
Unless you're at the point where you're selling upping cards, they're at least as profitable as FGs. Faster matches and more wins.
I agree - I took out the PU and put in a Purify - I've been getting hella EMs and a couple upped cards/hour. I don't know if it's "profitable" however that is defined, but it's much kinder for your score and you earn enough to keep me happy.
Post by: j0edirt on February 27, 2013, 03:50:17 am
Here's my deck...
I've lost about 18 to 1...
Post by: Chapuz on February 27, 2013, 04:20:10 am
I've only won once with the fatty fat deck almost fully upgraded :/ I don't get why I am sucking so badly...1- Did you wait as long as you could before starting the shield chain?
Here's my deck...
I've lost about 18 to 1...
2- did you play the whole combo in the same turn? (the 8-card combo, dragon and stuff so you can make 200 damage in the same turn).
Post by: j0edirt on February 27, 2013, 04:26:59 am
I've only won once with the fatty fat deck almost fully upgraded :/ I don't get why I am sucking so badly...1- Did you wait as long as you could before starting the shield chain?
Here's my deck...
I've lost about 18 to 1...
2- did you play the whole combo in the same turn? (the 8-card combo, dragon and stuff so you can make 200 damage in the same turn).
I haven't been waiting as long as possible for the shield combo, usually gets destroyed or stolen all at once. I have tried the combo, it only worked once for me, all other times didn't get the chance. I can't even beat bronze ranked decks...
Post by: Chapuz on February 27, 2013, 04:49:06 am
-snip-There is a list of the FGs you should skip, in the main post. Hope it's useful for you, it will make you not lose time playing against impossible FGs ;)
I haven't been waiting as long as possible for the shield combo, usually gets destroyed or stolen all at once. I have tried the combo, it only worked once for me, all other times didn't get the chance. I can't even beat bronze ranked decks...
Post by: j0edirt on February 27, 2013, 04:56:18 am
-snip-There is a list of the FGs you should skip, in the main post. Hope it's useful for you, it will make you not lose time playing against impossible FGs ;)
I haven't been waiting as long as possible for the shield combo, usually gets destroyed or stolen all at once. I have tried the combo, it only worked once for me, all other times didn't get the chance. I can't even beat bronze ranked decks...
I'm not finding it :/
Post by: Chapuz on February 27, 2013, 04:58:15 am
There's a spoiler called "strategies for each FG". The FGs that are not on that list, should be skipped.-snip-There is a list of the FGs you should skip, in the main post. Hope it's useful for you, it will make you not lose time playing against impossible FGs ;)
I haven't been waiting as long as possible for the shield combo, usually gets destroyed or stolen all at once. I have tried the combo, it only worked once for me, all other times didn't get the chance. I can't even beat bronze ranked decks...
I'm not finding it :/
Post by: eaglgenes101 on February 27, 2013, 05:11:25 am
Post by: j0edirt on February 27, 2013, 05:46:19 am
Do you remember which FG you won against?
Well I'm not keeping track of which I'm losing to, but I have started winning more now that I'm holding off with the shields. I need to start making a list of ones who destroy me. But I almost got fully upgraded now since I won a few cards that were sellable. I appreciate the deck, just started out frustrated.
Post by: Masterx3829 on February 28, 2013, 03:38:03 pm
Also, chaos lord has a lot more denies than just 6, (unless I read that wrong), and way more than 2 Steals, when I played against him he stole 2 of my hourglasses, a sanctuary, and a phase shield before I got obliterated. I'll post a screenie next time I come across this.
Also, what do you mean in strategies by "Granted"?
Post by: Chapuz on February 28, 2013, 04:29:26 pm
In upgrade order, why do you recommend Towers last? It would seem like towers would give more benefit than pendulums.
Also, what do you mean in strategies by "Granted"?
Pendulums let you have faster hourglasses and that's prior to anything else. And by granted I mean you will surely have it
Post by: EvilDeathX on March 16, 2013, 01:28:51 pm
Post by: BeefSupreme on March 25, 2013, 09:26:49 am
+2 Light Pendulums
Time quanta should come secondary to time quanta and I seem to never have enough light quanta.
Post by: BeefSupreme on March 27, 2013, 10:24:43 pm
Hey, im new here and i've been working on a deck to farm on PvP. I kinda developed a version of this deck. I'd like some feedback on this
This isn't the appropriate area to post this. Please post things like this in the Deck Help section.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/board,56.0.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/board,56.0.html)
Post by: Baldovar on April 14, 2013, 08:52:15 pm
I have been playing around with this deck for near a week now and wanted to share my experiences with the slim and the medium version! I have found out that with the slim version I lose more matches to winnable FGs. This is particularly annoying and lead to me trying the 40 card version. The sanctuaries seem necessary in this semi-unupped build and provide so much cover. Also did I get like twice/three times the amount of EMs in half the amount of matches compared to the slim version.
Cheers,
Post by: muttchops on May 10, 2013, 08:10:33 pm
Complete Noob here... I've just spent a few weeks (not much time each day mind you) building up to the fat fat version of this deck.
I guess I am not playing it correctly because I am getting far worse results than anticipated. Any tips would be greatly appreciated!
So far:
Skipped (Octane x2, Gravitron x2, Dream Catcher, Eternal Phoenix x3, Divine Glory, Akebono, Gemini, Obliterator and Seism)
I've lost to Hecate x2, Destiny, Paradox x2, Neptune, Morte, Incarnate and Scorpio... some of the reasons have been... the deck jamming and getting no shields, hourglasses coming too late and getting no shields and once sky blitz never came (must have been last card in deck).
I've only won 3 times, all by EM coincidentally, to Destiny, Lionheart and Neptune.
What concerns me is losing to FG that you seemingly have a 90% win rate against... I know my sample size is small, but it seems like i am doing something wrong. Oh also concerning is spending 30 electrum x 22 losses and skips to only 3 wins. Frustrating.
Help?!?
Thanks,
Muttchops
Post by: Chapuz on May 10, 2013, 08:37:10 pm
Post by: muttchops on May 13, 2013, 01:16:02 pm
Switched to slim version and so far 3 wins and 3 auto skips, so doing much better... no EM's but thats to be expected.
Thanks for your help and creation of this deck!
Post by: nanoman999 on May 21, 2013, 10:13:18 pm
Post by: Chapuz on May 21, 2013, 11:41:40 pm
-__- Really bad first impression. The last card i drew (literally last) was light dragon, and i died cuz i ran out of cards the turn i got him. Eh. tried it again and it worked pretty well. :) might add another light dragon thoSssooo why didn't you play the whole combo when you drew the dragon? :-X
Post by: CuCN on May 21, 2013, 11:42:13 pm
Post by: BeefSupreme on May 22, 2013, 03:56:53 am
-__- Really bad first impression. The last card i drew (literally last) was light dragon, and i died cuz i ran out of cards the turn i got him. Eh. tried it again and it worked pretty well. :) might add another light dragon thoYou're playing the deck wrong, then. You definitely only need one dragon and you can not "run out of cards" if you're playing the deck correctly.
Post by: nanoman999 on May 25, 2013, 01:29:59 am
Post by: CuCN on May 25, 2013, 02:30:38 am
Post by: nanoman999 on May 25, 2013, 03:06:12 am
You should never discard a combo card unless you draw all eight before you have the quanta to play them. Discarding one of the necessary cards almost guarantees that you will not win.i always kept as many as i could, and never left myself without at least one needed combo part, but i could not unfortunately keep enough parallel universes to win in the end. If i got dragon just one card earlier, then i would have won. I held onto as many as i could, but not enough... not enough... Im over it. Slight trauma, just don't like the deck. Love firecell :D
Post by: BeefSupreme on May 25, 2013, 06:17:34 am
What do you mean by "could not unfortunately keep enough parallel universes to win"?You should never discard a combo card unless you draw all eight before you have the quanta to play them. Discarding one of the necessary cards almost guarantees that you will not win.i always kept as many as i could, and never left myself without at least one needed combo part, but i could not unfortunately keep enough parallel universes to win in the end. If i got dragon just one card earlier, then i would have won. I held onto as many as i could, but not enough... not enough... Im over it. Slight trauma, just don't like the deck. Love firecell :D
You should never use a parallel universe (unless you're using the combo) or discard a parallel universe (unless your hand is full with the combo cards). I'm not totally convinced you know how to play with this deck correctly based on what you've posted here.
Post by: AsianGuy1137 on May 25, 2013, 07:22:09 am
Post by: nanoman999 on May 27, 2013, 03:14:34 pm
Don't be so harsh on the guy. I've played hundreds of matches with the deck against False Gods using the slim version with one Air and one Time Pendulum removed for two Quantum Towers, and I can GUARANTEE that there is a high chance of drawing an undesirable amount of combo pieces before you can have the quanta to play them within the next two turns or so. You can improvise from time to time when you're playing against a False God that you know lacks creature control by playing your Light Dragon first or your Phase Shield is wearing off and you don't think you can draw a next one in time so you proceed with pulling off the combo part of the way (e.g. Light Dragon + Unstoppable + 1 Rage Elixer + Sky Blitz + 2/3 Parallels and waiting for more than one turn). These situations come up a disproportionate amount of times as I always seem to get a starting hand clogged with 3+ combo pieces or 3+ Phase Shields/Hourglasses. The key is to understand exactly what potential plays you can make, exactly what potential plays your opponent can make, exactly what you have left in your deck and gauge for yourself what improvisations might need to be made, if any. Unless you all can prove that you've NEVER encountered a similar situation before and you don't feel like just giving up, it's not entirely unlikely that he knows how to play the deck and runs into situations where he couldn't afford to keep all the combo pieces.:D thanks!
Post by: EvilDeathX on May 27, 2013, 04:02:05 pm
Don't be so harsh on the guy. I've played hundreds of matches with the deck against False Gods using the slim version with one Air and one Time Pendulum removed for two Quantum Towers, and I can GUARANTEE that there is a high chance of drawing an undesirable amount of combo pieces before you can have the quanta to play them within the next two turns or so. You can improvise from time to time when you're playing against a False God that you know lacks creature control by playing your Light Dragon first or your Phase Shield is wearing off and you don't think you can draw a next one in time so you proceed with pulling off the combo part of the way (e.g. Light Dragon + Unstoppable + 1 Rage Elixer + Sky Blitz + 2/3 Parallels and waiting for more than one turn). These situations come up a disproportionate amount of times as I always seem to get a starting hand clogged with 3+ combo pieces or 3+ Phase Shields/Hourglasses. The key is to understand exactly what potential plays you can make, exactly what potential plays your opponent can make, exactly what you have left in your deck and gauge for yourself what improvisations might need to be made, if any. Unless you all can prove that you've NEVER encountered a similar situation before and you don't feel like just giving up, it's not entirely unlikely that he knows how to play the deck and runs into situations where he couldn't afford to keep all the combo pieces.I have been watching you guys bicker recently, and have gotten my jolly out of it. But now I have to say that I do not agree with the above statement. While I do agree that if you are being flooded with combo cards, that you should play them or discard them if you really must, I do not believe that such was the case this time. By saying that he could not keep all of the parallel universes in hand, usually this would mean he had all the prices but just can use them. But by saying that he did not have the light dragon soon enough, that means he had an unimportant card in his hand,a support card, meant to do nothing more than be fodder until he gets what he needs. While usually in a situation like this I would say play the dragon, this time it is not the case, the dragon is not there to be played, in a situation like this, all you can do is play our discard the SUPPORT CARD and hope for the best, when usually what I would suggest would be quit because without the dragon it is unwinnable.
Post by: imanoobyesiam on May 27, 2013, 04:59:50 pm
Post by: eaglgenes101 on May 27, 2013, 05:27:29 pm
how do you play this deck? not trying bash or anything since I know your a better player than me but I just can't seem to play it right. my main problem is that I never the quantum to play anything till turn 3 then I can finally use hourglass ect but then the enemy usually has 1 or 2 strong creatures and i'm down 50 health. maybe its because I don't have anything upgraded idk but I just keep losing against half-bloods. can i just watch someone with this deck via youtube or in the game or something?You pull out as many cards as you can, then you pull up a shield chain when you're almost out of health. Then you prepare the combo, discarding as necessary.
This deck is designed for FGs, so use it on FGs.
Post by: imanoobyesiam on May 27, 2013, 10:29:57 pm
Post by: EvilDeathX on May 27, 2013, 10:53:48 pm
k tested it out on fgs won 1 out of 3 :) my main concern is what do you do when they fg gets shields? you cant otk them then and if they live they almost always freeze the dragons or kill them resulting in me dyingThe reason the momentum is in there is not just to give your dragon a +1|+1, but also so the creature can break through shields. Thus is why the combo is to Play the dragon, (12|12) then give momentum, (13|13 +momentum) then activate rage elixer twice (25|1 +momentum) then parallel universe it three times. Giving you four 25|1 with momentum, in a normal game this would give you enough to win but against a false god you need a sky blitz, which gives you a final field of four 50|1 Dragons with momentum, dealing exactly 200 damage.
Post by: imanoobyesiam on May 28, 2013, 01:42:17 am
Post by: Byke on May 30, 2013, 08:09:40 pm
As a new player (only been playing for 2 weeks now) this deck has helped me earn a tone of EP quickly (like 80k in just a few days and I now use the 40 card version with every card upped). When I first started playing I did my homework and read up on a lot of decks and one that kept getting recommended to new players was yours. I started with a mono-green rush deck and saved up enough to buy the slim version with an upped light dragon and rage elixirs.
Observations
As stated in the OP you need all 8 cards to deliver the one round knock out, so if you don't have enough quanta to play all 8 at once you lose. You can steal some games depending on which FG you are playing
As a new player with an un-upped slim version of the deck the most important things to know about playing it is that you need to be quanta conscious at all times. Only to tap your hourglasses when you have less than 7 cards or when you have enough mana to play the 8 card combo, sometimes it is better to hide behind your shield for a couple of turns to build up quanta than to take a chance tapping your hourglass and getting the 8 card combo and not having the resource to win. It took me awhile to figure out the rhythm of the deck, but once I did, I began win games consistently. My best winning streak against FGs was 7 wins in a row :P.
I now play the 40 card fat version of the deck (my favorite variation), I find the fat fat version to sllllllllllllow and the slim version to binary. The 3 sanctuaries and the additional towers in the 40 card version are great additions and I get plenty of EM victories.
I tried to improve on the deck, by adding a purify like you suggested, but took it out since it's only good against a couple of the opponents and I never seemed to get it when I needed it. I also tried using Sundials which worked well in some instances and awful in others (ie delayed putting out hourglasses). I found them as much a hindrance as they were helpful and nothing is worse that getting your opening hands with 5 Sundials and no time quanta to play them. So i took them out as well and now just stick to the fat version.
Post by: BeefSupreme on May 31, 2013, 12:07:04 am
I created an account just to say THANK YOU this deck rocks :) I truly appreciate the thought you put into creating this deck and sharing it with everyone.Read some of that, then TL;DR'd out. Anywho, I'd like to piggyback onto this by saying that this deck is what really got me started in the Elements world and thank you, Chapuz, for sharing your genius ^.^
As a new player (only been playing for 2 weeks now) this deck has helped me earn a tone of EP quickly (like 80k in just a few days and I now use the 40 card version with every card upped). When I first started playing I did my homework and read up on a lot of decks and one that kept getting recommended to new players was yours. I started with a mono-green rush deck and saved up enough to buy the slim version with an upped light dragon and rage elixirs.
Observations
As stated in the OP you need all 8 cards to deliver the one round knock out, so if you don't have enough quanta to play all 8 at once you lose. You can steal some games depending on which FG you are playing
As a new player with an un-upped slim version of the deck the most important things to know about playing it is that you need to be quanta conscious at all times. Only to tap your hourglasses when you have less than 7 cards or when you have enough mana to play the 8 card combo, sometimes it is better to hide behind your shield for a couple of turns to build up quanta than to take a chance tapping your hourglass and getting the 8 card combo and not having the resource to win. It took me awhile to figure out the rhythm of the deck, but once I did, I began win games consistently. My best winning streak against FGs was 7 wins in a row :P.
I now play the 40 card fat version of the deck (my favorite variation), I find the fat fat version to sllllllllllllow and the slim version to binary. The 3 sanctuaries and the additional towers in the 40 card version are great additions and I get plenty of EM victories.
I tried to improve on the deck, by adding a purify like you suggested, but took it out since it's only good against a couple of the opponents and I never seemed to get it when I needed it. I also tried using Sundials which worked well in some instances and awful in others (ie delayed putting out hourglasses). I found them as much a hindrance as they were helpful and nothing is worse that getting your opening hands with 5 Sundials and no time quanta to play them. So i took them out as well and now just stick to the fat version.
Post by: freeyourmind on June 03, 2013, 01:45:06 am
for all i know i might be better off arena farming 1st...dunno
ps- not really interested in instosis or rol\hope....FYI
Post by: BeefSupreme on June 03, 2013, 02:43:10 am
hey guys is this (limitless speed) as reccomended as the newer frotkal or firecell for a first FG deck? im running a qpbow right now and have no upps/cash/rare. just trying to decide which deck to start working towards. + i do love sanctuaryUse Firecell until you can get the upgrades for Limitless Speed, then use Limitless Speed until you can fully upgrade PDials.
for all i know i might be better off arena farming 1st...dunno
ps- not really interested in instosis or rol\hope....FYI
Post by: Chapuz on June 03, 2013, 02:48:04 am
You should make a bronze grinder to get the needed shards for PDials in the middle :Phey guys is this (limitless speed) as reccomended as the newer frotkal or firecell for a first FG deck? im running a qpbow right now and have no upps/cash/rare. just trying to decide which deck to start working towards. + i do love sanctuaryUse Firecell until you can get the upgrades for Limitless Speed, then use Limitless Speed until you can fully upgrade PDials.
for all i know i might be better off arena farming 1st...dunno
ps- not really interested in instosis or rol\hope....FYI
Same if you want to make Swallow, get some SoFos and SoPas
Post by: freeyourmind on June 03, 2013, 02:58:52 am
my only prob is i want to keep adding enchant artifact to protect those sanctuaries
Post by: Pineapple on June 03, 2013, 05:05:43 am
ya sounds about right to me thanks chap!!!
my only prob is i want to keep adding enchant artifact to protect those sanctuaries
Most of the time, 1-2 Salvagers or Cloaks will be more helpful than 1-2 Protect Artifacts. However, note that both Salvager and Cloak have more weaknesses than Protect Artifact, and you may as well leave all three out.
Post by: freeyourmind on June 03, 2013, 08:14:04 pm
Post by: BeefSupreme on June 03, 2013, 10:51:00 pm
ok you mean for draw reliability? BTW i always wind up off topic on these threads so sorry in advance. been trying to work in thorn carapice but it just destroys quanta balance in all my decks so i almost have to keep qpbow style which makes me furiousIt's cool that you're trying to tweak the deck, but honestly, I don't think it's gonna get any better than it already is.
Post by: freeyourmind on June 05, 2013, 08:15:06 pm
Post by: havi86 on June 11, 2013, 01:23:19 am
i just changed the deck a bit to this one:
tactics as usual, first try to keep the shield up,and if you've got no quanta,you can try to stop his monsters with the sundial until you'll got the next shield.
keep an eye onto your quanta,it happens often,thet you only need one card to your combo finish but your quanta isn't ready yet. (mostly the Aether quanta is missing)
you need 18 aether quanta, 13 light quanta, 6 fire quanta, 1gravity quanta and 9 air quanta !
maybe you can add a enchant artifact into it,but i don't really need it,cuz the godz mostly destroy my sancs,so no need imo.
i added two daggers into it (the poseidon is really effective against Phoenix if you can keep him without pillars)
the last 10 fights were EM wins with this deck, maybe just luck,dunno :D
Post by: joaoffb on June 28, 2013, 09:08:22 pm
I've had good results with this deck and i like it better than the other variants...
Does anyone think it is worth it? I mean, it's a weird semi-upped version...
Post by: Intense Power on July 15, 2013, 12:11:39 am
Post by: freeyourmind on July 16, 2013, 07:48:59 am
this is the best i can do after grinding ai4 with my aether so far
finally ;D beat Eldinis just like this!!! this is mean I LIKE IT!!
btw all unlisted FGs are skipped right?
+rep this is undoubtedly the most efficient deck ive ever used in that it serves its purpose flawlessly. excellent job chaputz!!!
Post by: Calore on August 27, 2013, 05:16:52 am
Thank you very much!
Post by: Frost01 on October 19, 2013, 10:42:19 pm
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Post by: JaelisZai on October 19, 2013, 11:21:39 pm
Post by: AlterOfYume on October 23, 2013, 03:57:25 am
Post by: Chapuz on October 23, 2013, 10:53:32 am
I love this, win rate really goes up once you start getting a few more upgraded cards and implement sancs. The wiki page on this deck also has some very good tips (most importantly the FGs with no CC, allowing you to start the combo early).Oh I have never seen the wiki article, I will add that info to the OP because it is useful info. Thanks to whoever made the article!
Post by: Eltiggros on October 23, 2013, 03:23:10 pm
Post by: twidenbar on November 12, 2013, 03:47:57 pm
Post by: timetock on November 12, 2013, 04:06:14 pm
However, maybe firecell OTK is your thing. Less cards to upgrade, I believe?
Post by: BeefSupreme on November 13, 2013, 01:40:45 am
seeing as this was posted over a year ago, just wondering what variations have been made to the deck since newer updates? Also as being a new player to the game i dont exactly have alot of electrums, i can make a few upgrades but no more then 3 right now i believe, just wondering what deck would be recommended to use
It still works as it should, even I use it from time to time when I'm bored and I want to switch decks for variety. If you want to upgrade three, upgrade the dragon and the two rage potions. They are ESSENTIAL for the deck.
However, maybe firecell OTK is your thing. Less cards to upgrade, I believe?
Well, firstly, you do need to upgrade the Light Dragon and two Rage Potions, or this deck won't work at all. I would recommend this deck for False God farming to start off, then PDials. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/trio-quartet/poison-dials-sosac-(fg)(arena)/)
Secondly, the reason this deck hasn't been modified or edited since it was posted is because there haven't been many changes in False Gods since it was posted and it works the same way.
Thirdly, I would not recommend Firecell to anyone (no offense, Chapuz). Although it has 0 upgraded cards, I believe that farming AI4 (Half-Bloods) until you have enough Electrum for Limitless Speed is the correct route to go.
That's just my advice. Good luck on your farming!
Post by: Thymidine on November 23, 2013, 03:21:46 pm
I know the OP recommends the slim, but the jump to one of the bigger versions means a 4% increase in win rate, which seems like it'd be the way to go. So any insight would be very helpful.
Post by: Chapuz on November 23, 2013, 03:24:53 pm
All right, after a lot of AI3 farming, I almost have enough electrum to get this deck. I'm just wondering about which of the 3 variants I should go with.Most of the people I heared prefere the fat one. It's matter of taste
I know the OP recommends the slim, but the jump to one of the bigger versions means a 4% increase in win rate, which seems like it'd be the way to go. So any insight would be very helpful.
Post by: Thymidine on November 23, 2013, 09:02:31 pm
So it's definitely doing work. :)
Another question though. I've been struggling a bit with Momentumed creatures. Sanctuaries can deal with some of the poison, but Momentum seems to usually come with a pretty high attack power.
The fully upped fat version runs Lobo's, could the semi-unupped successfully run them as well? (Maybe swapping out a Sanc for one)
Post by: JaelisZai on November 23, 2013, 10:42:12 pm
Post by: Chapuz on November 24, 2013, 02:12:44 am
In this fattest version of your latest post, would it work just the same fully upgraded? Or would it have to become maybe more of just the fat version..?Upgrading cards can't make a deck worse, unless you need a specific unupped card and this is not the case :P
Post by: JaelisZai on November 24, 2013, 03:31:21 am
Post by: pielord17 on December 30, 2013, 09:40:59 pm
Post by: Chapuz on December 30, 2013, 09:57:18 pm
okay.. just wondering if it perhaps threw off the momentum of the deck if fully upgraded. Love it ;DThe Momentum is a vital card, the combo can't be played without it!
Post by: Zignaught on December 30, 2013, 11:53:53 pm
I get elemental mastery against lion heart almost every time
Post by: Elvago on January 03, 2014, 09:09:26 pm
Post by: mystic050 on June 22, 2014, 09:42:42 am
Post by: Chapuz on June 22, 2014, 01:07:01 pm
:( im using fat version of this deck and my win ratio is terrible :( i maybe win 1 in 15 gamesThere are several unwinnable FGs, so in a very bad luck streak it may happen.
I must ask if you are playing it right, traying to OTK when necessary
Post by: mystic050 on June 22, 2014, 03:48:11 pm
Post by: iNeifuShicHo on June 23, 2014, 03:23:57 am
Yes, im only going for OTK, but its so hard to get all card needed for combo.
I think one important thing to consider playing this deck is when to use hourglass, and there are 2 scenarios where the decision to draw or not matters a lot
scenario 1: when your hand size is 7 and is stuffed with shields and necessary combo cards, and you have a shield on the board already. In this case, you need to ask yourself if you can afford to waste a shield, since you will need to discard one or use one (before using all 3 turns of the one on the board) if you draw into a necessary combo card. In situations where you can afford to waste a shield or two, I would draw to speed up the win and/or if I have poison ticking or my opponent has some PC he still hasn't drawn/played
scenario 2: when you have 7 out of the 8 cards required. This is an easier decision, if you have enough quanta to play the combo and you have a shield expiring on board, always draw (if you draw the last card needed great, if not, you would probably need that shield anyway). When your shield isn't expiring, you need to again assess if you can afford to waste a shield
I have lost easily-won games because I spammed hourglass when I shouldn't have
Post by: TheArchduke on July 19, 2014, 07:29:48 am
Post by: Lost in Nowhere on July 24, 2014, 10:41:49 pm
Post by: Ginyu on August 28, 2014, 10:33:53 pm
Limitless speed for limitless money. :)
Post by: mrguy888 on September 01, 2014, 03:50:53 am
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Post by: willng3 on October 02, 2014, 03:46:57 am
On another note, I think this was one of my favorite duels if only because the situation allowed for a more unorthodox solution to present itself:
(http://i.imgur.com/kq4H1NJ.png)
Kudos, and thanks for the deck.
Post by: Sorathor on November 30, 2014, 01:00:45 pm
I appreciate the learn curve, this deck has.
You will most likely lose your first games with this as unexperieced player, because you need to get a feeling when to draw extra cards.
So don't damn it after your first 5-10 games, once you get to the point you fully understand this, your results go up.
Actually there are much more situations where your decision if you draw results in a win or a lose. Sometimes you get your combo 1 turn too early when you drew an additional card in ealy game and sometimes the small damage from momentum or poison kills you because you drew your first shield 1 turn too late.Yes, im only going for OTK, but its so hard to get all card needed for combo.I think one important thing to consider playing this deck is when to use hourglass, and there are 2 scenarios where the decision to draw or not matters a lot
You always have to consider if you can afford to let your shield chain break for 1 turn or if you can afford to feed 1 shield to PC, etc.
Nevertheless noone can foresee, what RNG gives you, but you can at least keep your chances as high as possible.
I found some sort of the fat version working best for me, since I like the EMs and the shorter Skip-list.
I started with 4 HG + Elixiers + Dragon upped, but later included the upped combo cards, I won with this deck.
I use more pendulums over QP since an early shield + hourglass are so important. I never lost having not enough mana for an element I solely fuse with the Quantum Pillars so more pendulums are more reliable, I think.
Post by: busss on December 20, 2014, 11:18:57 pm
Post by: bossitron on December 21, 2014, 12:06:13 am
i'm gonna go back to my safe swallow and RoL hope thanks
Post by: montrossen on December 21, 2014, 06:15:49 am
Post by: andretimpa on December 21, 2014, 11:47:55 am
Post by: flyingcat on December 21, 2014, 12:28:22 pm
Post by: andretimpa on December 21, 2014, 08:57:00 pm
Really? I find that Swallow tends to get out rushed by the FG.
imo
Pdials > Swallow > limitless
Swallow does require more thinking out of the 3.
Post by: bossitron on December 21, 2014, 08:58:41 pm
Really? I find that Swallow tends to get out rushed by the FG.
imo
Pdials > Swallow > limitless
Swallow does require more thinking out of the 3.
Thinking? well i'm out.
Post by: andretimpa on December 21, 2014, 09:11:20 pm
Really? I find that Swallow tends to get out rushed by the FG.
imo
Pdials > Swallow > limitless
Swallow does require more thinking out of the 3.
Thinking? well i'm out.
pdials is pretty brainless too, you just need to add up the opponent damage ;)
Post by: flyingcat on December 21, 2014, 11:46:57 pm
Swallow: Crap, 2 pillar start
FG: lol noob. I have a 1 pillar start
Swallow: Yes, T2 Oty SoP!
FG: lol nope, it's called RT
Swallow: Okay, let's try this again
FG: Look at your HP
Swallow: ****
Repeat until Swallow gets a semi-decent hand...
Swallow: Rekt, I have good hand!
FG: lol nope, I have a better one
Swallow: You know what? I'm going back to Gold and Plat.
Post by: andretimpa on December 22, 2014, 08:23:34 pm
Swallow vs FG, a turn by turn breakdown
Swallow: Crap, 2 pillar start
FG: lol noob. I have a 1 pillar start
Swallow: Yes, T2 Oty SoP!
FG: lol nope, it's called RT
Swallow: Okay, let's try this again
FG: Look at your HP
Swallow: ****
Repeat until Swallow gets a semi-decent hand...
Swallow: Rekt, I have good hand!
FG: lol nope, I have a better one
Swallow: You know what? I'm going back to Gold and Plat.
You really have only yourself to blame for not skipping the ones with RT. It's like trying to face Hermes with limitless or Miracle with pdials.
;)
Post by: flyingcat on December 22, 2014, 10:32:13 pm
Swallow: Oh baby, 2 turn otyugh+SoP (even that's rare)
FG: Oh baby, Turn 3 Jade Dragons. (plural)
Swallow: Oh, for the love of god!
Few Turns later...
Swallow: Nom-nom-nom Imma wreck you now
FG: Check your health bar.
Swallow: ****
Basically, either I can't start my CC fast enough, or I don't draw SoFo and GForce. Thinking +1 GForce?
Post by: busss on December 24, 2014, 09:37:29 am
55q 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5op 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 7dr 7dr 7gq 7jq 7k6 7k6 7k6 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 80b 80b 80b 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 8pu
i played 111 games. and that'it:
44w - 67L - 17EM -18up cards
about money im not sure, because i sold and bought something, however money earned it's about 1800.
win % it's 39,6%
Post by: andretimpa on January 12, 2015, 05:01:42 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/EUYli8k.png)
Post by: flyingcat on January 12, 2015, 09:34:49 pm
Post by: montrossen on January 13, 2015, 11:37:27 pm
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Where'd you get the sancs?
Post by: willng3 on January 13, 2015, 11:44:55 pm
Is that really Limitless Speed?Second/third deck in the original post.
...
Where'd you get the sancs?
Post by: andretimpa on January 14, 2015, 12:29:12 am
Is that really Limitless Speed?Second/third deck in the original post.
...
Where'd you get the sancs?
It's the second one fully upped. My go to deck when the oracle gives me Paradox. But Forest Spirit pet is OP
Post by: AD TienzuStorm on February 20, 2015, 12:21:51 am
Post by: Chapuz on February 20, 2015, 02:07:09 am
Which version is the best to use? The comments say the fatter versions, while Chapuz says that the slimmer one is the preferred version. ?_?Try the fatty one. If you feel you tend to need more shields early than what you do, reduce some cards and try the slim one
Post by: Arseface on May 17, 2015, 11:34:14 am
Since the deck costs a considerable 12 less :aether and 8 less :time, I was able to slim the quanta sources a lot.
I'm not sure this is the right amount of cards, but I stuck with this since I know your stall:deck size ratios are well tested. I used the 3 extra slots for 2 sanctuaries(EMs and poison soak) and an hourglass(since I no longer use the :time on dials).
It still has 18 turns of stall. 6 from dials and 12 from dims.
The benefit of dials is
a) They're cheap, so unlucky early quantum rolls are less of an issue and you need less :aether total by deck end
b) The AI loves stealing them, and they work while stolen
c) They double as a acceleration using a quanta type you're producing excess in already
d) You get a boatload of them, meaning less bad draws
e) They only last a turn, meaning less hand hogging
My dials are only recently upgraded. I started with the following layout to farm them.
This works about as well as the standard slim deck as far as I can tell, but I've considerably less than 100 games with either so don't hold me to it. There's probably some tuning that could be done. Possibly -2 dials, +1 dim, and +1 light pendulum. Biggest plus side, only 3 upped cards!
Post by: Ghaladh on July 02, 2015, 06:44:10 am
As you can see, I added one more Electrum Hourglass, to increase the probability to get one ASAP. I am a newbie and I started with a little more than 1000 coins (I invested almost all of my savings to upgrade the Light Dragon and the Rage Elixirs) and in a couple of hours I was able to update all of the other upped cards you see in the deck.
Thanks for sharing ;)
Post by: Chapuz on July 02, 2015, 06:44:02 pm
Post by: Ghaladh on July 03, 2015, 01:42:05 am
The original one has 6 houglasses , 3 upgraded and 3 unupgraded ones ;)I feel that 4 are all I need. Today I am on vacation, so I spent a few hours farming FG. That's my current deck. ;D
I personalized it just a little bit, the better meet my exigences. I have a 100% win rate against almost all of the FG you listed in the first post. I am also able to put down, occasionally, Dream Catcher if I get the Electrocutor within the first 6 rounds. I still have problems facing Hecate and Decay because of their Steals that put me often in awkward situations, but I beat them 80% of the times.
I wonder which tweaks can be applied, if there are any, to successfully fight the FG that are still unbeatable by this deck. What about adding 6 Cloaks to protect yourself from Deflag, Steal or EQ? I guess there is no deck able to give a fighting change against all of the FG.
Post by: Ginyu on July 03, 2015, 10:20:47 am
I wonder which tweaks can be applied, if there are any, to successfully fight the FG that are still unbeatable by this deck. What about adding 6 Cloaks to protect yourself from Deflag, Steal or EQ? I guess there is no deck able to give a fighting change against all of the FG.
They wouldn't help. The Gods can simply steal/destroy the cloaks and use their remaining PC on whatever you might have. Also, 6 of these will clutter up your draw and make the deck much more inconsistent, reducing your chances to win against the "easy" FGs.
There were decks that tried to beat most of them somehow, but they weren't that consistent in beating specific Gods. An example to this is ScaredGirls FG-Rainbow.
Post by: Ghaladh on July 03, 2015, 10:48:05 am
Here lies the greatness of this game: there is no invincible strategy. :) To each tactic there is a counter-tactic, each strength is accompanied by a weakness.I wonder which tweaks can be applied, if there are any, to successfully fight the FG that are still unbeatable by this deck. What about adding 6 Cloaks to protect yourself from Deflag, Steal or EQ? I guess there is no deck able to give a fighting change against all of the FG.
They wouldn't help. The Gods can simply steal/destroy the cloaks and use their remaining PC on whatever you might have. Also, 6 of these will clutter up your draw and make the deck much more inconsistent, reducing your chances to win against the "easy" FGs.
There were decks that tried to beat most of them somehow, but they weren't that consistent in beating specific Gods. An example to this is ScaredGirls FG-Rainbow.
Post by: Lastmerlin on November 02, 2015, 08:57:28 am
I used it quite a while and it won me lots of cards and upgraded itself over time. I also made some statistics, what card was missing this time (the deck is somewhat prone to enraging bad draws) when I lost and tried to optimize accordingly. I want to share the result:
Some comments:
- I found that the fattier decks diluted the dimshield chain too much, but the slim version is just too fragile. Hence this is a compromise between the slim the fat version.
- Three hourglasses are even for the slim version too few. I used four here, because this balanced the *death by missing hourglass* against other reasons of failure.
- Two sancs are sufficient. I experienced that the fat versions have far too much sancs and no quanta to play them all. In my opinion, you should not try to outheal the FG damage (even with 6 sancs often impossible), but just buy a few more turns before playing the shields and possibly get an EM. Two in deck and often playing only one is enough for this purpose.
- Two purify: I believe I haven't seen anyone proposing a second purify, but its immensely useful. Against the poison gods this really saves you (while 1 purify often hides and lets you die) and against the other, this complements the healing by the sanctuaries (and does not use the light quanta in contrast to the sanc)
- I took two towers out after upgrading, so put 2 back in for unupped
- I had three light pendulums before upgrading. Two pends now means not to play sanc if the come really late. The benefit is a smaller deck, that gives the real key cards faster.
Post by: Pkmn31337 on October 07, 2016, 09:00:00 pm