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What should the title be?

HYPERSPEED HB GRINDING!
1 (9.1%)
Brave Instosis [AI4]
7 (63.6%)
Speedy HB Grinder
1 (9.1%)
other, please post
0 (0%)
MORE HYPE!!!!!111
2 (18.2%)

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HYPERSPEED HB GRINDING! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54228.msg1132256#msg1132256
« on: April 06, 2014, 08:40:06 pm »
After trying to wait 2 hours, i found i couldn't even wait 15 minutes to post this.
I was so exicited, i forgot the wind tower when re making the deck on trainer.
But 5ttw HB EMs are good, so i'll share now:
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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 74g 7ai 7ap 7ee 7ee 7ee 7ee 7ee 7ee 7ms 7n9 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q6 7q9 7q9 7q9 7q9 7q9 7qb 7qu 7qu 80b 8po

I had an idea so i went to trainer (idea was to SoBra Instosis), then i disconnected internet when i remembered that lets me play AI4, then...
I'm so exicited, I'm going to just click post now

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Re: HYPERSPEED HB GRINDING! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54228.msg1132257#msg1132257
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2014, 08:42:47 pm »
Reserved for edits since i don't want to edit too epic OP. Sorry for dbl post.

1. 4:43 PM 4/6/2014.

Yes, I didn't want to log on this computer, but was too exicited. (I'm sweating now, I don't know why)
2.(same time) my time zone is off by 4hours, so sorry for wrong times.

3.(Same time as reply 3)
V1.2:
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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 6u3 74g 7ap 7ee 7ee 7ee 7ee 7ee 7ee 7ms 7n9 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q6 7q9 7q9 7q9 7q9 7q9 7qb 7qu 7qu 80b 8po
« Last Edit: April 07, 2014, 06:39:59 pm by MasN »

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Re: HYPERSPEED HB GRINDING! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54228.msg1132279#msg1132279
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2014, 11:47:15 pm »
So Instosis With SoBr instead of Hourglasses and for HB instead of Gods...

Well, I'll run some stats since you don't give any.

Alright, ran into a few challenges I have the following recommendations to increase it's win rate.

This one is important:

+1 Wind Tower
- 1 Improved Heal

(Improved Heal causes deck increased deck jam ups for little value)

This one is not so:

-1 Nova
+1 Super Nova

(To counter devour and also having each of your towers quick sanded first turn out)

This is also along the same vein

-1 PreCog
+1 Time Tower

Extra draw is unnecessary, showing the cards is unnecessary, spending a quanta can be the difference with some of these games.

I had 3 Wins 7 Losses, all 6 or 7 turn games.  Mostly do to bad hand order these small changes increased it to 9 Wins 1 Loss after the adjustments.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2014, 12:08:48 am by Keeps »

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Re: HYPERSPEED HB GRINDING! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54228.msg1132328#msg1132328
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2014, 06:35:28 pm »
Well, I went 3-0 (2EM) so i posted it that way.
The nova for SN change I agree, and removing the heal is good too, but Another wind tower isn't nessasary. Will update.

EDIT: I just got a 4 turn win with V1.2

Anyways, taking your stats, 6.5TTW and 90% win rate I believe makes it the best HB grinder.

EDIT2: I did another 10 games and got the same stats as you. Didn't record exact ttw, but its about the same.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2014, 06:52:15 pm by MasN »

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Re: HYPERSPEED HB GRINDING! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54228.msg1132345#msg1132345
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2014, 10:13:43 pm »
Please do at least a 50 game run before claiming any stats, and at least 100 if you actually want to have any credit backing you up.

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Re: HYPERSPEED HB GRINDING! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54228.msg1132436#msg1132436
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2014, 06:51:11 am »
To add what DM says,
Typically, one should not claim any validity to a deck and make a post without at least a 15 to 25 game run.
Even then a 15 or 25 game run on some decks I've posted, just had 'new deck luck'.  It has caught me a couple times, I redacted at least one post here because of it because the next 25 games where so awful, something showing 80% suddenly falling to 30% WR, so 50 games is more ideal.
If you truly want to catch someone's interest post that stats with the 50 games. 

Then it takes 100 games from another person doing it over in the stats area in order to find where your deck places before one really get's to claim the best HB ever.

Also note,
There are many decks that do 4 TTW once and a while, even 3 TTW
There are many decks that have a < than 7 Average TTW
Finally, the current 5th ranked and many a bit below that, which have close to similar stats don't even use shards.

So is your deck the best, maybe, it'll probably be a top 10 by the test for a while given the efficiency bravery gives.

However, your deck has a lot more weaknesses than those top 5,  :entropy  :gravity  :earth  :fire  :light  :darkness  :aether all have cards that can counter a bravery and or nova or a 150 OTK, which your deck depends on.
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Re: HYPERSPEED HB GRINDING! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54228.msg1132489#msg1132489
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2014, 09:35:38 pm »
I definitely might want to gets stats, but I prefer to do more deckbuilding instead.
If this means my deck is invalid, then, :(, but I play elements to have fun, and I'd still rather deckbuild than get credit and/or verification for a deck.
Sorry.

As for counters,
 :entropy :darkness I doubt there'd be too many times I lose 2 :gravity/2 :aether
 :earth Instosis worked vs. Seism, AI play SS like a miracle.
 :fire how?
 :light they dont run SoD and I think I can beat sanc
 :time :aether Due to the preOTK quickdraw, I can slow draw, and they cant 3 turn silence/dial chain me.

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Re: HYPERSPEED HB GRINDING! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54228.msg1132493#msg1132493
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2014, 11:01:06 pm »
Go ahead and post, just don't do the 'the best deck ever' thing, just put a suggested area of play.

Example : Title: Brave Instosis [AI4]

If you give numbers or claims, have data to back it up, that's all.

Other than that, go ahead and post, your deck is valid, I even said it's probably a Top 10, so it's a good deck.


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Re: HYPERSPEED HB GRINDING! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54228.msg1132494#msg1132494
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2014, 11:07:23 pm »
The titile was based on the title of RoL/hope thread, so I thought it was OK. If you want to, I'll change it though

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Re: HYPERSPEED HB GRINDING! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54228.msg1132538#msg1132538
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2014, 10:41:45 am »
the word 'hyperspeed', which probably means 'low ttw',
can be claimed without accurate stats, so only a few games will do.
the 'hyper' part may be an exaggeration.

I personally do not like full caps, though :P
be quick- time is quanta.

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Re: HYPERSPEED HB GRINDING! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54228.msg1132591#msg1132591
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2014, 09:20:11 pm »
The exaggeration and CAPSLOCK were there to get attention. Time to make a more modest title.

 

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