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Fast bronzefarmer- Now with stats! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32901.msg415600#msg415600
« on: October 25, 2011, 03:14:52 pm »
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This is basically a PSNbow geared towards the current bronze league meta.
The current build is modified towards beating the increased number of rainbow decks.

I included the Discords cause at the time of designing, there were, and still are, an unhealty amount of mono aether decks in bronze. The discords really take care of that.
Only deck type that occasionally beats it is another rainbow rush with high HP.
On average, it takes around 10 minutes to earn a rare spin.

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The deck is geared towards beating mono aether and mono darkness decks (at the time of designing, those consisted more than 50% of the meta)

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This is the best overall build so far. If you are insecure about the current Bronze meta, I recommend using this version.

- It is very important to know when not to play a discord. If by playing it you get below 2  :entropy and you cannot burst, then you're dead. The deck works with 2 SN played. That means only Discord if 1, you already played atleast 2SNs or 2, you'll stay over 2 :entropy.
- You can play a discord vs. a rainbow deck cause you will need the extra damage.
- When facing mono-aether, it is important to distrupt the opponent's quanta base before playing creatures. So, before bursting, 1, either play a discord or 2, have the explosion in hand so you can kill the dimshield and play a discord right away (wont work if the opponent has lots of  :aether quanta already, in that case try to win with the chargers. If you could play the creatures but not the discord, simply don't play creatures. The AI won't put a shield up if there's no damage on your board. Wait for the discord then burst.
- Use precognition always if you can, and always before playing creatures; keep a good look at your opponent's hand. You can bait CC with the phoenix or with a tougher creatue (golem, crawler)
- If over 6 quanta of everything (3 SN played), then keep the rest of SNs in your hand. This is especially important vs. BH decks and NoTP decks
- If you played the Gargolye, don't be afraid to use its ability. Having played it means you'll have enough  :earth quanta to play your golem too :)
- Manage your chargers wisely! In a lot of games, they will be the ones to win the game for you. If 2 is on the board, I usually keep the 3rd in hand.
- It takes practice to asses the correct amount of pressure needed. Sometimes it is not a good idea to play everything just to get wiped out by a Pandemonium. If you're way ahead, hold back. OTOH, vs. certain deck types you wanna need to go as fast as you can. There's no way to teach this, but pactice makes perfect.
- don'T forget to dive your Pegasus! you have no other use for the  :air in the deck.

Starting hands:
- no pendulums/no SN: you'll most likely have to discard. Always discard precogs first. In the 6th round you'll be able to play a charger but most times it is late by then.
- 1pendulum: Usually this is enough. With 1 SN in hand, you will be able to precog into a second one. You can play a few creatures as well. 1 pendulum (and nothing else) means a turn5 charger, but usually you'll draw into a SN.
- 2 pendulum: This is all you need. don't SN unless you can play creatures or have precogs in hand. With 2 SNs played, you can play almost any card in your deck. Usually 2SNs is all you need to win. 2 pendulums mean a t4 charger.
-3 pendulum: You're golden (although this means you won't have as much offense in your hand). Even with no SNs in hand, you can play them and set up a discord right away; you'll have 3  :entropy in the next turn anyways. 3 pendos translate into a t3 charger.

Most times you can burst in t2 or t3.

Session 1
Time played: 60 minutes.
Games played: 42 (1,42 min/game)
Games won: 33 (78,5%)
Games lost: 9
Rarespins: 4 (15min/spin)

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Re: Fast bronzefarmer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32901.msg415615#msg415615
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2011, 04:07:13 pm »
Looks like something made from this: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,22524.0.html with nice changes to accommodate chargers and discords.
Obviously, an overall very nice deck!

Now for some comments
    3 discords in a deck that has some precogs seem a little too much.On the other had, it could use some PC or BH, to replace 1 of the discords maybeWouldn't the elite wyrm be better if there is no use for all that air quata although using 1 :air for extra 2 damage is a bit of a waste
I'm very sure it would work well, but do you have any stats? (bronze league does change often these days, but something little would be nice:))
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Re: Fast bronzefarmer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32901.msg415663#msg415663
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2011, 06:07:54 pm »
    Looks like something made from this: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,22524.0.html with nice changes to accommodate chargers and discords. Actually, no. I made it from scratch on the day the Arena was released. Took this long to fine-tune :)
    Obviously, an overall very nice deck! THX

    Now for some comments
      3 discords in a deck that has some precogs seem a little too much.
    IMO you need a discord befoer the monoaether has any chance to play a dimshield. OTOH you can afford drawing a dead discord if one is set up.
      On the other had, it could use some PC or BH, to replace 1 of the discords maybe
    Maybe, I'm still experiencing with +1 explosion
      Wouldn't the elite wyrm be better if there is no use for all that air quata although using 1 :air for extra 2 damage is a bit of a waste
    Definitely not. The Wyrm takes 2 SN to play and another one for every activation, whereas the Pegasus only takes 2 SN to play and activate four times. The deck was designed to work with only 2 SNs played; the only exception is Gargolye which was a late addition. The original build had a Vampire dagger and a Werewolf to use 4  :darkness, but both interferes with Discord. The Garg is simply there to make use of  :darkness quanta. I'm thinking of replacin it with a Seteal or Bloodsucker or Nightmare.
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    I'm very sure it would work well, but do you have any stats? (bronze league does change often these days, but something little would be nice:))
    The only stat I have is the experience that I can rarespin every 10-15 minutes :)
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    Yeah a BLoodsucker is even better.
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    You can use its ability
    - If you want to have  :death for the Flesh Recluse: One time after you played 2 SNs, and two times for every additional SN played.
    - If you don't bother about the spider: 2 times for each SN.
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    Re: Fast bronzefarmer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32901.msg435661#msg435661
    « Reply #3 on: December 06, 2011, 05:46:53 pm »
    Great deck, first off.

    Yet, I wonder how this would work with entropy mark and Gravity Pendulums. I often find myself having to discard too often, due not drawing a pendulum in time. (Or something like that, been a few weeks since I last played this deck. Just know I ran into dead draws often.)

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    Re: Fast bronzefarmer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32901.msg435939#msg435939
    « Reply #4 on: December 07, 2011, 08:23:17 am »
    Great deck, first off.

    Yet, I wonder how this would work with entropy mark and Gravity Pendulums. I often find myself having to discard too often, due not drawing a pendulum in time. (Or something like that, been a few weeks since I last played this deck. Just know I ran into dead draws often.)
    Sadly, it wouldn't work.

    You need entropy pendulums for a turn 2 Supernova.
    If you have 2 in the starting hand then you can SN on t1.
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    Re: Fast bronzefarmer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32901.msg446706#msg446706
    « Reply #5 on: January 07, 2012, 06:43:27 pm »
    I noticed there are less mono-aether decks recently. If I wanted to take out say one or two discords, what should I replace them with?
    Then again... is that even a good idea?

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    Re: Fast bronzefarmer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32901.msg446711#msg446711
    « Reply #6 on: January 07, 2012, 06:56:29 pm »
    Okay here are some stats.

    Time played: 60 minutes.
    Games played: 42 (1,42 min/game)
    Games won: 33 (78,5%)
    Games lost: 9
    Rarespins: 4 (15min/spin)

    I will do some more testing if time allows.

    I noticed there are less mono-aether decks recently. If I wanted to take out say one or two discords, what should I replace them with?
    Then again... is that even a good idea?
    Yeah I noticed. Seems to me there are more rainbows there. So I would take out a discord and one or two Chargers and add 2 or 3 Black Holes.
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    Re: Fast bronzefarmer- Now with stats! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32901.msg477575#msg477575
    « Reply #7 on: April 05, 2012, 03:39:15 am »
    Thanks for the deck! very fast and i won my first 6 games with it!

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    Re: Fast bronzefarmer- Now with stats! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32901.msg482882#msg482882
    « Reply #8 on: April 18, 2012, 01:06:29 am »
    I actually happened to have 2 of the ups from lucky games with FGs, so I sold a ton of cards and my other upped cards (I regret some, like my AW, but hey.) This worked like a charm. :D Now only two cards in my deck are unupped by selling some rares I don't use or need, and PvP. Thanks!

    (PS It's only slightly weaker because of the update, considering that all cards need only 4 quanta or less.)
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