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Re: PvP World Championship - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47257.msg1048204#msg1048204
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2013, 01:57:47 am »
Banning shards equalizes the playing field because many players lack all of the shards. If anything, Vangelios, you're playing to have an arguably unfair advantage.
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Re: PvP World Championship - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47257.msg1048219#msg1048219
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2013, 02:56:30 am »
Banning shards equalizes the playing field because many players lack all of the shards. If anything, Vangelios, you're playing to have an arguably unfair advantage.

not only has all the shards who does not want, and another, if you really care about "equalize the field" then we will remove upgraded, because I still have some elements with little or no upgraded.
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Re: PvP World Championship - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47257.msg1048230#msg1048230
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2013, 03:18:33 am »
Banning shards equalizes the playing field because many players lack all of the shards. If anything, Vangelios, you're playing to have an arguably unfair advantage.


Seriously? this is the world championship event. If you don't have shards and are playing in this, then you'll have to farm right now, deal with it, or maybe you don't deserve to be in this event.

I'm also missing 2500 ups, uneven playing field is not an issue. If it is, then marks and nymphs should be banned.
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Re: PvP World Championship - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47257.msg1048233#msg1048233
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2013, 03:22:42 am »
Banning shards equalizes the playing field because many players lack all of the shards. If anything, Vangelios, you're playing to have an arguably unfair advantage.


Seriously? this is the world championship event. If you don't have shards and are playing in this, then you'll have to farm right now, deal with it, or maybe you don't deserve to be in this event.

I'm also missing 2500 ups, uneven playing field is not an issue. If it is, then marks and nymphs should be banned.
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Re: PvP World Championship - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47257.msg1048236#msg1048236
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I already gave the reason, everything else is just chatting....
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Re: PvP World Championship - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47257.msg1048489#msg1048489
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2013, 08:10:42 pm »
Each player votes on card limits (3 - 6).
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Can we have card limits that are tied to deck size? For example, 1 copy of a card for every 10 cards in your deck, or 3 copies of a card for every 20 cards in your deck. If we let the card limits scale with deck size, it makes larger decks viable. Otherwise, if we have a low card limit, everyone will be playing 30-card rush decks.

I realize this complicates the voting, and you may have to change how card limits are decided, but I think it will be better than being stuck with a small meta.

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Re: PvP World Championship - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47257.msg1048495#msg1048495
« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2013, 08:25:52 pm »
Each player votes on card limits (3 - 6).
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Can we have card limits that are tied to deck size? For example, 1 copy of a card for every 10 cards in your deck, or 3 copies of a card for every 20 cards in your deck. If we let the card limits scale with deck size, it makes larger decks viable. Otherwise, if we have a low card limit, everyone will be playing 30-card rush decks.

I realize this complicates the voting, and you may have to change how card limits are decided, but I think it will be better than being stuck with a small meta.

I also agree, and we can not know if the opponent is really playing by the established pattern.
I suggest everyone vote for 6 cards.
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Re: PvP World Championship - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47257.msg1048496#msg1048496
« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2013, 08:38:19 pm »
I think anything under 6 cards just is too weird. This is a world championship, not some novelty competition. Or at least it shouldnt be.

Cant call something a WC and give it a big reward just to increase participation.


This event should be the time when the best people in CL and BL and the best of the people who dont participate in leagues come together in an ordered way to pvp each other.

The rules should be as close to normal as possible I think.
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Re: PvP World Championship - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47257.msg1048547#msg1048547
« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2013, 10:56:33 pm »
Seriously? this is the world championship event.
Explain why the world championship should test how much time one has spent mindlessly numbing their fingers against the keyboard, grinding bronze league with a deck someone else made. Because if that is your view, you have a very warped picture of what a world championship should be.

If you don't have shards and are playing in this, then you'll have to farm right now, deal with it,
Your next point is that we have to farm or deal with a rule in the case that it is implemented. That's not even arguing anything. You're doing no more than stating the obvious reality; this doesn't help your argument, if you can even call it that.

or maybe you don't deserve to be in this event.
You're saying that perhaps one does not deserve to be in a PvP world championship because the lack of time spent playing the AI. You're comparing golden apples to rotting oranges.

I'm also missing 2500 ups, uneven playing field is not an issue. If it is, then marks and nymphs should be banned.
I think upgrades are unfair to an extent, as well as nymphs (and marks to a very, very slight extent I suppose). But that's not even the issue we're discussing right now. It's not pertinent to your argument regarding shards.


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Re: PvP World Championship - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47257.msg1048575#msg1048575
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2013, 11:52:31 pm »
What are you going on about root? This isn't an open pvp event that anyone can join. It's meant for the best. In a game like this where grinding matters a lot, you can't go on about how it's unfair to all the people who haven't grinded. I don't think shards are needed to be the best, but they allow you to build a lot of cool competitive decks that should be allowed in an event like this.

This isn't the WC of whose the best at playing without shards, limited ups etc, (or at least it shouldn't be) it should be about whose the best at elements.

The events that ban shards and stuff are meant for new players as well as old and meant to grow the forum community. Tournaments have weird rules without shards so that nearly anyone can participate in a supposedly fair playing field. WC does not suffer from the issue of new players. At least not to a point where it's time to start banning all of a group of cards to level the playing field.

If shards aren't being banned because the collective opinion is that they're so OP that they ruin the game otherwise, then there isn't another legitimate reason to ban shards imo. Consistency with other events is something, but pretty low on my lists of acceptable reasons.


the part about 2500 ups wasn't an argument directly for shards and was in reference to the levelness of the playing field.
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Re: PvP World Championship - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47257.msg1048579#msg1048579
« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2013, 12:05:56 am »
For some reason, this didn't get pasted over:

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Re: PvP World Championship - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47257.msg1048583#msg1048583
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Also, feel free to change your picks as much as you like. Your most recent one (at the deadline) will be the one used.

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