Weekly Tournament - September 9th - You Shall Not Pass! - Upgraded

[Submachine]

If the Balrog had Momentum, he should have had no problem passing Gandalf.

Weekly Tournament - September 9th - You Shall Not Pass!- UpgradedTournament Organizers: kaempfer13, Vindilos, Ryli, Submachine or Naii_the_Baf

When? To find out your local time, check this link: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20180909T15 Tournament has started.

Where? Please enter the Tournament room at least 15 minutes before the tournament starts. Click "Rooms" in the top left to find it.

Rules Please read the PvP Tournament rules carefully before joining the tournament. Remember to also read the Special Rules listed below!

Prizes 1st place 5,000 electrum + Nymph/Mark + Trophy (Forum Icon) 2nd place 5,000 electrum 3rd place 4,000 electrum 4th place 3,000 electrum In case of 16 or more players, tournament prizes will be increased.

Points for the World Championship 1st place 4 points 2nd place 2 points 3rd place 1 point

NOTE: You need just one presentable forum post to be allowed to join tournaments; you can post it here. If this will be your first tournament, a Tournament Organizer will test your knowledge about the rules. So please be present in tournament room 30 minutes before the tournament starts.



Special Rules

• Upgraded cards are allowed but not necessary.
• You can use Pillars, Pendulums and Mark Cards (quanta cards) of any element.
• You can use six non-quanta cards of any element.
• All other cards must be of Gravity, Aether or Death.
• One combination of the three main elements can only be used once each round. Below you can see the possible combinations:
  
  

  single	single	single
  dual	dual	dual
  treble

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• To count as using an element, you must use at least 4 non-quanta cards.
• Nymphs, Discord, Earthquake, Shard of Patience, Flying Weapon, Miracle, Sundial and their upgraded variants are banned.
  
  
  Banlist

  

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  4vl 500 534 568 593 59c 5cg 5fk 5io 5j2 5li 5ls 5oi 5p0 5rp 5s4 5v8 62c

Tournament Organizers Note

If you think there is an overpowered card that ought to be banned, or you have some concerns about the tournament metagame, mechanics or other stuff, do NOT post it publicly in the comments or anywhere else on the Forums. Instead, send a private message to Tournament Organizers, who will privately discuss about it. Thanks for your cooperation.

Congratulations for the winners!



1st: Manuel
2nd: phoenix1211
3rd: DANIEELA
4th: Naii_the_Baf

TOURNAMENTS Q&A

Q: This means "You can use a maximum of six non-quanta cards of any element.", right?
A: Yes, up to six.

Q: Can we theoretically have a deck which consists of 6 darkness cards, 3 life cards, 4 fire cards AND gravity/aether/death cards?
A: No, six is the sum of all non quanta, non grav/aether/death cards. You can have 3 darkness cards, 3 life cards and some pillars and gravity cards though.

Q: Are QTs freely usable?
A: Yes.

Q: Where are the balrogs?
A: They are not banned.

Q: Are "other" cards allowed?
A: Yes, they count toward the 6 card limit though (except the quantum cards).

Q: Define 'quanta cards'. Do Novae/Cremations count?
A: Only pillars (towers), pendulums, and mark cards are quanta cards.

Q: Suppose I'm bringing along GhosTal into the tourney and play it game 1. Will it be filed under Aether?
A: Yes, it wil be single aether, so you cannot play RustlerTal against the same opponent game 2 or 3. You can use SkeletonTal in game 2 though, as that counts as aether/death.

Examples of legal and illegal decks

Spoiler for Hidden:

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6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6uq 6uq 6uq 6uq 71b 74b 77f 77g 7an 7dq 7gv 7k5 7n8 7n8 7q5 7t9 7t9 80b 8pj

This deck is illegal for various reasons. The amount of non death/gravity/death/quanta is 21 cards, but the maximum is 6. Note that you can just use the cards from SoSe even if they are on the ban list.
Also it uses 1 gravity, 1 aether and 1 death card. If you use death cards its eith 0 or 4+.

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6u6 714 714 714 716 748 749 74h 75c 77c 77g 77g 7al 7n1 80b 80k 80l 80m 8pm

This would still be illegal, as nova is not a quanta card.

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6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6u6 714 714 714 716 748 749 74h 75c 77c 77g 77g 7al 7n1 80b 80k 80l 80m 8pm

This is legal. It qualifies as a deck with death+gravity+aether. If you use this deck in game 1, you cannot use it again in game 2 or 3. You need 3 decks prepared.

So when it's time for game 2 I cannot use the combination of aether+death+gravity again. I could just go for mono aether though:

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61o 61o 63a 63a 808 808 808 808 808 80b 80b 80b 80b 80b 80b 80g 80g 80g 80g 80g 80g 80h 80h 80h 80h 81q 81q 81q 81q 81q 8pu

Playing more then 4 aether cards is allowed, and so is playing unupgraded cards.

[Wyand]

- "You can use six non-quanta cards of any element."

OK, seems just nitpicking, but this means "You can use a maximum of six non-quanta cards of any element.", right?

Also, can we theoretically have a deck which consists of 6 darkness cards, 3 life cards, 4 fire cards AND gravity/aether/death cards?
Or the six max is a sum of all other cards then gravity/aether/death cards?

- Are QTs freely usable?

- Where are the balrogs?

[shockcannon]

Would like an answer to other cards being allowed. Thanks

[Basman-1453]

"You can use Pillars, Pendulums and Mark Cards (quanta cards) of any element."

(Emphasis mine.) Define 'quanta cards'. Does Novae/Cremations count? Rays of Light and their ilks? Soul Catchers?
(I wanted to ask Soul Catchers, but being a Death-type card gives it the global carte blanche.)

[Submachine]

"You can use Pillars, Pendulums and Mark Cards (quanta cards) of any element."

(Emphasis mine.) Define 'quanta cards'. Does Novae/Cremations count? Rays of Light and their ilks? Soul Catchers?
(I wanted to ask Soul Catchers, but being a Death-type card gives it the global carte blanche.)

A: Quanta cards = Pillars, Pendulums, Mark Cards. The term in the bracket just introduced a shorter way of saying those three. Quanta cards do not include cards like Immolation, Damselfly or Soul Catcher.

A: All 'Other' cards are allowed, including Quantum Pillars.

A: The six elements are the maximum of non-Aether/Death/Gravity (off-element) cards that can be used. Less can be used, but not more.
Six is also the sum of off-element card copies that can be used. (For example: 3 Life + 3 Time, but not 3 Life + 4 Time.)

The answers are also added to the first post (Thanks Vindi!) for easier access.

[Submachine]

We would like to clarify the following rule:

"To count as using an element, you must use at least 4 non-quanta cards."

Using less than 4 (but more than 0) non-quanta cards of Gravity, Aether or Death should be avoided to prevent players using the same dual deck but with less than 4 cards in one of the main elements.

[CactusKing]

Q: Suppose I'm bringing along GhosTal into the tourney and play it game 1. Will it be filed under Aether?
A: Yes, it wil be single aether, so you cannot play RustlerTal against the same opponent game 2 or 3. You can use SkeletonTal in game 2 though, as that counts as aether/death.

You underestimate how many death and gravity cards I can shove into Rustlertal!

[Wyand]

hey, no metatalk! 

[CactusKing]

I don't see a rule about off-meta talk

[phoenix1211]

Just a quick suggestion for future tournaments - it'd be nice if we had some tourneys with restrictions on upgrades rather than the pure upped/unupped binary. At least in my opinion, the meta is most interesting in the 10-15 upgrades range, as it allows for powerful cards/decks to be used without being too heavily rush-favored. Having some variety also limits the use of stock lists. I understand this adds sometimes unnecessary complexity to the rules. Just putting forth an idea to hopefully consider.

[kaempfer13]

I make tourneys where the number of upgrades depends on how you build your deck every now and then. Upgraded tournaments are pretty rare at once per month though and they usually coincide with me having a relatively speaking more busy week before. Personally id like it best if we could have a semiupped tournament(max 15 upgrades, usually further reduced by special rules) in the rotation (rather than the second unupped one) , but thats coming from someone who has a full collection.

[Wyand]

I still don't have a full collection and support phoenix's idea. Before upped tourneys I just grind some more if I need some
upgrades for a specific deck. Grinding shouldn't be a problem for anyone while bronze arena is at 126 ...