Post by: kaempfer13 on June 09, 2018, 05:28:23 am
Weekly Tournament - June 16th - What you are in the dark - Upgraded
Tournament Organizers: kaempfer13, Vineroz, Ryli or Zyardran
| (http://i.imgur.com/RCXGMgc.jpg) | When? To find out your local time, check this link: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20180616T18
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| (http://i.imgur.com/I88BdSC.jpg) | Where? Please enter the Tournament room (http://elementscommunity.org/chat/blab.php) at least 15 minutes before the tournament starts. Click "Rooms" in the top left to find it. |
| (http://i.imgur.com/eQ110uI.jpg) | Rules Please read the PvP Tournament rules (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6997.0.html) carefully before joining the tournament. Remember to also read the Special Rules listed below! |
| (http://i.imgur.com/LGqvNMY.jpg) | Prizes
In case of 16 or more players, tournament prizes will be increased. |
| (http://i.imgur.com/LH9pjw4.jpg) | Points for the World Championship
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NOTE: You need just one presentable forum post to be allowed to join tournaments; you can post it here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/introduce-yourself/). If this will be your first tournament, a Tournament Organizer will test your knowledge about the rules. So please be present in tournament room 30 minutes before the tournament starts.
- Upgraded cards are allowed, but not required
- Decks must contain at least 4 cloaks
- In addition you have to run at least one of the following packages:
- Freshlings: Use 6 fate egg in the deck
- Basic mutants: Use 6 mutations in the deck
- Advanced mutants: Use at least 4 fallen elves in the deck
- Death Setback: run a total sum of 4 skeletons/graveyards AND 4 reverse times/eternities
- Maximum deck limit is 40 cards.
- Your deck must be able to pay the quantacost of all cards that started in your deck
- Invisibility removers are banned
- Furthermore Shard of Focus, Dimensional Shield, Wings, Fog and Nightmare are banned.
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Tournament Organizers Note
If you think there is an overpowered card that ought to be banned, or you have some concerns about the tournament metagame, mechanics or other stuff, do NOT post it publicly in the comments or anywhere else on the Forums. Instead, send a private message to Tournament Organizers, who will privately discuss about it. Thanks for your cooperation.
TOURNAMENTS Q&A
Q:What is the idea here?
A: There are very few things cloak actually hides from you opponent, as he can still see cards you play and remember what you had on the board. These cards may actually surprise them, as they turn into sth unpredictable.
Q:What counts as being able to pay the quantacost of all cards in the deck?
A: A number of instant producers to match the total cost of elements you dont produce quanta of (e.g. 6 supernova for 4 cloaks costing 12 :darkness in total) or any pillar/pend/mark of the right element (including Quantum Pillar). I'd have preferred to require a quantum index of 7 or less for each element, but I can't be sure everyone knows how to calculate it.
Q:Is permanent control allowed? It can remove cloak.
A: Unless explicitly banned permanent control cards are allowed and may be used vs cloak. I didn't want it to be a freeby side effect of generally decent cards though.
Post by: CactusKing on June 09, 2018, 06:46:00 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 09, 2018, 12:05:34 pm
Post by: Wyand on June 09, 2018, 01:15:11 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 09, 2018, 06:48:45 pm
Post by: Wyand on June 11, 2018, 08:17:11 pm
thinking they've fulfilled the needed amount of quanta producers for the 4 Cloaks... Yes, sooner or later that 1 QT can produce 12 darkness quanta, but seriously...
My suggestions:
- at least 5 QT for a 30-33 card deck;
- at least 6 QT for 34-40 card decks;
or the example in the original post (6 Supernovas). (If there are no other darkness quanta generators in the deck.)
Post by: Vindilos on June 11, 2018, 08:42:34 pm
" I'd have preferred to require a quantum index of 7 or less for each element..." Can we have some further clarification on that? I certainly don't want to meet decks which contain 1 QT/QP,
thinking they've fulfilled the needed amount of quanta producers for the 4 Cloaks... Yes, sooner or later that 1 QT can produce 12 darkness quanta, but seriously...
My suggestions:
- at least 5 QT for a 30-33 card deck;
- at least 6 QT for 34-40 card decks;
or the example in the original post (6 Supernovas). (If there are no other darkness quanta generators in the deck.)
I don't think the amount of pillars should depend in your deck size if the amount of cloaks isnt increasing. I'd say give an extra choice of quanta producers.
You must choose one of the following quanta packages:
- option 1: at least 2,5 dark pillars. Pendulums are 0,5 pillar. (or 2)
- option 2: darkness starting mark
- option 3: at least 10 quantum pillars. (or 6)
- option 4: 6 supernova
- option 5: at least 5 quantum pillars AND 6 unupgraded nova
First option is based on having 1 pillar per 5 quanta.
Edited. Its not about the numbers. I don't like the idea of having to calculate stuff.
Dont forget a lot of people only join if they can speedbuild it. Forcing the Qi calculation is no option.
Post by: treebeard xiii on June 11, 2018, 09:06:22 pm
Post by: Wyand on June 11, 2018, 09:23:37 pm
I don't think the amount of pillars should depend in your deck size if the amount of cloaks isnt increasing. I'd say give an extra choice of quanta producers.
You must choose one of the following quanta packages:
- option 1: at least 2,5 dark pillars. Pendulums are 0,5 pillar.
- option 2: darkness starting mark
- option 3: at least 10 quantum pillars.
- option 4: 6 supernova
- option 5: at least 5 quantum pillars AND 6 unupgraded nova
First option is based on having 1 pillar per 5 quanta.
This would force ppl to use supernovas or option 1. 10 QP/QTs are an overkill and because of the 40 card limit it will be harder to build an efficient deck.
Quoting from this thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/general-discussion/quantum-index/):
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QI=(total cost of all cards+total cost of all abilities)/(number of pillars)
Upped
Quantum Pillar- 0.30 for each element
For 5 QTs: 12/(0,3*5)=8.
For 6 QTs: 12/(0,3*6)=6,7.
For 7 QTs: 12/(0,3*7)=5,7.
Since the original post mentions that it would be good to be around at least QI~7, using 5 or 6 Quantum Towers seems logical. That's why I
suggested that smaller decks should have a "bonus", and let them use only 5 QTs, while larger decks will always have more pillars, so let's
make their minimum to 6.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 13, 2018, 12:29:08 am
Take the total quanta cost of all cards in your deck (by element), substract all quanta your cards can produce instantly (eg. 2 for each element other than entropy for supernova, 1 per upgraded pillar etc.). Then for each 7 remaining quanta cost of each element (rounded up) pack at least an amount of pillars/pends etc. that average a quantaproduction of 1 per turn if they were all in play at the same time.
In praxis this means 1 pillar, mark or 2 pends from the element (or any 2 pends if your deck mark matches the element, 1 if both are the same) or 4 quantum pillars per 7 quanta required (rounded up).
I chose 7 for maximum allowed qi, because even slow decks that take their time usually produce about that much quanta
Simple enough for someone Id expect to be favoured in a tourney environment, but not necessarily simple enough for me to want to require it as entry requirement for anyone that wants to participate.
*damselfly, gemfinder, brimstoneater, ray of light and devourer would count as pillar for the purpose of this calculation.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 14, 2018, 05:56:38 pm
Post by: Zyardran on June 15, 2018, 01:48:19 am
Post by: shockcannon on June 16, 2018, 06:35:51 pm
Post by: Vindilos on June 16, 2018, 06:39:56 pm
mastersined 1
Post by: Jen-i on June 16, 2018, 06:48:11 pm
wyand: 0
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 16, 2018, 06:54:40 pm
Post by: Vindilos on June 16, 2018, 07:04:48 pm
Aves 1
GGs
Post by: DANIEELA on June 16, 2018, 07:17:44 pm
DANIEELA 2
kaempfer13 0
Post by: dlcole on June 16, 2018, 07:25:14 pm
Post by: Vindilos on June 16, 2018, 07:38:02 pm
DANIEELA 0
Post by: dlcole on June 16, 2018, 07:49:13 pm
Post by: Vindilos on June 16, 2018, 08:08:26 pm
dlcole 0
Good job dlcole, for making it to second place in your first tournament.
Post by: Jen-i on June 16, 2018, 08:20:28 pm
danieela 1
Post by: Wyand on June 16, 2018, 08:22:07 pm
I've a made a lot of decks but couldn't decide which is the most reliable - however, I tested them a lot. So, I just chose my basic mutation+TU
deck - which generally works fine (I'm using it without the Cloaks, ofc).
1st game, 2nd turn. Jen-i plays a Fate Egg + Shard = double Fallen Druids. You gotta be kidding.
2nd game. My 1st TU was my 19th card. Seriously! My 2nd TU came 2 turns later, when I was out of creatures (Spine Carapace).
C'mon!!! And I had 3 pends through the entire game. So I lost the game, with 11 cards left: 3 TUs, 5 pends. Thanks, fate!
And tomorrow is my birthday.
Post by: Vindilos on June 16, 2018, 08:26:19 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 16, 2018, 08:29:27 pm
Quick reminder to ban graboid in case of rerun. I think vindis deck has its counters, but its barely sticking to the theme and won a bit much. Also consider gravshield for bans.
Post by: dlcole on June 16, 2018, 08:34:55 pm
Post by: Wyand on June 16, 2018, 08:45:46 pm
C'mon people this tourney should have been about random events, either mutation, eggs or rev time! This is so sad.
I'd really like to see a PURE mutation/eggs/rev time tourney!
ps: Gravity Shield is a good addition I also had it in many of my unused decks. I was thinking about
Shard of Voids, too, but really wanted to focus on mutation etc.
Post by: Aves on June 16, 2018, 10:15:31 pm
I got out a 21|30 immortal vampire against Vindi in game 1. Lost by 1 HP to the jade staff with SoW played in the final turn.