Poll

Do you like this tournament's rules?

Yes, I would like to see them used again.
0 (0%)
Yes, but some minor changes are needed for balancing.
3 (37.5%)
No, some major changes are needed for balancing.
1 (12.5%)
No, I don't like the theme/rules.
4 (50%)
Other (Please specify in thread AFTER the tournament has ended.
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: July 30, 2017, 02:05:32 am

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Weekly Tournament - July 30th - Upgrade - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64736.msg1266601#msg1266601
« on: July 27, 2017, 10:54:38 am »
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Weekly Tournament - July 30th - Upgrade - Upgraded
Tournament Organizers: TheonlyrealBeef or Vineroz


When?
To find out your local time, check this link:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20170730T01

Tournament has started.

Where?
Please enter the Tournament room at least 15 minutes before the tournament starts.
Click "Rooms" in the top left to find it.

Rules
Please read the PvP Tournament rules carefully before joining the tournament.
Remember to also read the Special Rules listed below!

Prizes
1st place5,000 electrum + Nymph/Mark + Trophy (Forum Icon)
2nd place5,000 electrum
3rd place4,000 electrum
4th place3,000 electrum

In case of 16 or more players, tournament prizes will be increased.

Points for the World Championship
1st place4 points
2nd place2 points
3rd place1 point





NOTE: You need just one presentable forum post to be allowed to join tournaments; you can post it here. If this will be your first tournament, a Tournament Organizer will test your knowledge about the rules. So please be present in tournament room 30 minutes before the tournament starts.





  • Upgraded cards are allowed, but with restrictions.
  • Your deck must be a duo deck, i.e. 50% of one element and 50% of another element. You can use any deck mark.
  • In this tournament, your maximum allowed upgrades in your deck will be equal to your "Dimso". Everyone starts the tournament with 3 Dimso (Preliminary round) or 6 Dimso (First round).
  • For the first lost game in every match (i.e. 0-1), TO will roll a 1d6 and the loser will gain that many of Dimso. It will be immediately in effect for the next game in the same match.
  • If the other player lost the second game (i.e. 1-1), that player will gain the same amount of Dimso as his opponent in the last game.
  • If a player wins a match with 2-0, he will be awarded with 3 Dimso before proceeding to next match.
  • A table of Dimso of every player will be shown in the second post.
  • Discord and its upgraded variant is banned.



Tournament Organizers Note

If you think there is an overpowered card that ought to be banned, or you have some concerns about the tournament metagame, mechanics or other stuff, do NOT post it publicly in the comments or anywhere else on the Forums. Instead, send a private message to Tournament Organizers, who will privately discuss about it. Thanks for your cooperation.





TOURNAMENTS Q&A

Q: What is a "Dimso"?
A: "Dimso" is a unit that determines how many upgrades you can use in a deck.

Q: No seriously "Dimso" is not even a word.
A: Because I made it up. It is a loose pronunciation of "points" in Cantonese.
« Last Edit: August 12, 2017, 12:49:39 pm by TheonlyrealBeef »
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Re: Weekly Tournament - July 30th - Upgrade - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64736.msg1266602#msg1266602
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2017, 10:56:52 am »
The Dimso table:


Player Dimso Amount
Aves10
glennfoo14
ji412jo8
kaempfer1314
Klatu8
mathman8
moerphi11
Naii_the_Baf13
phoenix121112

« Last Edit: July 30, 2017, 03:48:18 pm by Vineroz »
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Re: Weekly Tournament - July 30th - Upgrade - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64736.msg1266603#msg1266603
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2017, 11:01:49 am »
Is Dismo reuseable?
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Re: Weekly Tournament - July 30th - Upgrade - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64736.msg1266604#msg1266604
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2017, 11:12:08 am »
Is Dismo reuseable?

I don't know what a Dismo is (is that even a word?), but a Dimso is not consumable.
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Re: Weekly Tournament - July 30th - Upgrade - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64736.msg1266606#msg1266606
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2017, 11:54:47 am »
god this sounds complicated...
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Re: Weekly Tournament - July 30th - Upgrade - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64736.msg1266608#msg1266608
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2017, 02:44:55 pm »
wait so a player that wins 2-0 is at a disadvantage for the rest of the tournament? also was the dicerolling aspect really needed?
duos have to be a perfect 50-50 split?
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Re: Weekly Tournament - July 30th - Upgrade - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64736.msg1266611#msg1266611
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2017, 04:03:28 pm »
Same concerns as kaempfer - especially the diceroll aspect. I think it would be fairer and more balanced to make it a fixed number, i.e. you gain, say, 4 Dimso every time you lose a game. A difference of 5 upgrades purely due to luck can make games near unwinnable.

Also, if it's duos only, I feel... a certain weapon should be banned, just for the sake of variety.
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Re: Weekly Tournament - July 30th - Upgrade - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64736.msg1266612#msg1266612
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2017, 04:09:07 pm »
wait so a player that wins 2-0 is at a disadvantage for the rest of the tournament? also was the dicerolling aspect really needed?
duos have to be a perfect 50-50 split?

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Re: Weekly Tournament - July 30th - Upgrade - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64736.msg1266613#msg1266613
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2017, 04:23:03 pm »
wait so a player that wins 2-0 is at a disadvantage for the rest of the tournament?

Yes you would generally be at a disadvantage at some point if you managed to win 2-0 every match.

was the dicerolling aspect really needed?

Yes, because RNG.

duos have to be a perfect 50-50 split?

Yes again, i.e. 15/15 in a 30-card deck, 15/16 in a 31-card deck etc.
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Re: Weekly Tournament - July 30th - Upgrade - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64736.msg1266615#msg1266615
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2017, 05:21:20 pm »
This could be easily made into two different tournament ideas. ;)
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Re: Weekly Tournament - July 30th - Upgrade - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64736.msg1266625#msg1266625
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2017, 10:42:34 pm »
The rules of this tournament actively work against the idea of having the best player win. They also don't account for differences in the amount of matches played.
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Re: Weekly Tournament - July 30th - Upgrade - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64736.msg1266630#msg1266630
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2017, 02:51:19 am »
I am glad that there are comments on the tourney idea, then I found something is missing...the poll is now up! Go vote :silly:

The rules of this tournament actively work against the idea of having the best player win. They also don't account for differences in the amount of matches played.
Upgrades can give advantage, but it is still the skill to decide who is winning. I think it makes sense to give players a higher chance (not a must) to have a higher amount of upgrades.



From the comments I see you guys are really concerned about the RNG factor, which you claimed that it is going to absolutely dominate the tournament. While it is true that in a 16-people tournament, a finalist can have as much as 24 upgrades vs 3 upgrades, you still have to lose a game in every match to achieve that and that surely is a risk. It also means that the finalist with 3 upgrades has been skillful enough to win with an upgrade disadvantage.

However I will still offer this rule update to you since I listen to you guys <3:

Quote from: Rule update
  • Everyone starts the tournament with 3 Dimso (Preliminary round) or 6 Dimso (First round).
  • For the first lost game in every match (i.e. 0-1), TO will roll a 1d6 and the loser will gain that many of Dimso.
  • If the other player lost the second game (i.e. 1-1), that player will gain the same amount of Dimso as his opponent in last game.
  • If a player wins a match with 2-0, he will be awarded with 3 Dimso before proceeding to next match.

I hope this is not getting too complicated, and any suggestions to improve my awkward English is welcomed.
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