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Do you like this tournament's rules?

Yes, I would like to see them used again.
4 (66.7%)
Yes, but some minor changes are needed for balancing.
1 (16.7%)
No, some major changes are needed for balancing.
0 (0%)
No, I don't like the theme/rules.
1 (16.7%)
Other (Please specify in thread AFTER the tournament has ended.)
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 6

Voting closed: August 06, 2018, 08:40:39 pm

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Re: Weekly Tournament - August 5th - Tripendency - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66197.msg1278529#msg1278529
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2018, 02:29:23 pm »
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Re: Weekly Tournament - August 5th - Tripendency - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66197.msg1278530#msg1278530
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2018, 02:31:07 pm »
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Re: Weekly Tournament - August 5th - Tripendency - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66197.msg1278531#msg1278531
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2018, 02:49:08 pm »
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Re: Weekly Tournament - August 5th - Tripendency - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66197.msg1278532#msg1278532
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2018, 02:59:24 pm »
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Re: Weekly Tournament - August 5th - Tripendency - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66197.msg1278533#msg1278533
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2018, 03:47:54 pm »
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Re: Weekly Tournament - August 5th - Tripendency - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66197.msg1278535#msg1278535
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2018, 04:59:04 pm »
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Re: Weekly Tournament - August 5th - Tripendency - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66197.msg1278536#msg1278536
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2018, 05:00:11 pm »
Well, I write my post later, need to clear my head a bit, always a bridesmaid, never a bride, lady luck may kiss my toes.
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Re: Weekly Tournament - August 5th - Tripendency - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66197.msg1278544#msg1278544
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2018, 06:30:23 pm »
We can post decks now, right?

Spoiler for Decks:
Gases Nymphs
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The first idea that came to my mind when I sketched the quanta balance of the tournament. One element will heavily receive quanta while the others are mainly there for support. And what better choice for a quanta sink than Blue Nymphs? "Gaseous" in the title is intentionally incorrect. :P

I don't take trio tournaments seriously, so I thought I'd use this deck and maybe two others and see how far I get. The other decks were the following:

Stallbreaker
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I built this deck to have something against reflective shields. After our duel with ARTH, I noticed that I only packed two Quintessences, so I didn't use this deck afterwards.

BB Rush Thing?
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And this is the last deck I built pre-tournament. It didn't have PC, so I didn't plan to use it at all, but in the end I used it twice and won both of those games.

Now come the decks I built during tournament.

A Fifth Nymph!
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Something I put together after our duel with deuce. I should have changed the Rage Potions to Deflagrations, but eh. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It won twice, so it's all good.

The "other decks" I built were just minor modifications of the above decks. For example, replacing 2-4 cards with something else.

Spoiler for About Balance:
The basic premise is that you have one main element and two support elements, which are mainly powered by Pendulums only. For the support elements, you initially draw X Pendulums (Pillars are less likely). As an example, 4 Pendulums of two elements are most likely drawn in a 1-3 or a 0-4 ratio, which makes one of your elements starve. You can also draw more non-quanta cards for your starving element than what you have quanta for.

The following table shows how your initial Pendulum draws affect how fast you can play a support card that costs 4 quanta:

Starting PendulumsTurns to Play 4-Cost Support Card
42 (if this happens, then your other support element probably starves)
34 (another scenario where your other support element probably starves)
24 (optimal)
18

The above theory reflected during my minimal testing and during the tournament too. So the basic premise came with a higher chance of bad draws than usually.

This was among the first things I noticed, and probably that's why I didn't take prepping seriously.

Spoiler for And about card balance:
Blue Nymphs were such obvious go-to cards that most people either used it or packed reflective shields, even the speedbuilders. :P I think banning it would have erased 50% of seen decks and replaced them with more diverse, colorful decks.

For what I had, I came pretty far and almost ended in 2nd place.



Decks I would like to see are of ARTHANASIOS, deuce22, and Wyand.
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Re: Weekly Tournament - August 5th - Tripendency - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66197.msg1278567#msg1278567
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2018, 09:52:35 pm »
Another interesting and exciting tournament. Another useless 5000 electrums.


2-1 against TheonlyrealBeef

1-0 Vader Sader Special
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TorB played a Farty Nymph deck, but luckily didn't draw early fire pend. So my crusaders marched through the stinkies. :)
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1-1 Lava Golem/Darkness
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TorB's next choice was a firestallish deck with lightning flavor. So 4 of my golems died without growing.
1 of the Gargoyles also joined them.  The other 2 golems got hidden at the bottom of the deck. Until
I got bored and eventually lost my concentration. Kinda felt that it is a matter of time and I'll lose.
So I stupidly threw away my Steals on TorB's pends. After that he played out his Fahrenheit. Stupid me
stayed in this stupor and forgot to play out my Dusk. Had 2 Dusks, while TorB only 1 Deflag. Eh.
I'm not saying I would win, but *maybe*. Nvm, final game.
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2-1 Frozen Catatitans
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I was a bit relieved when TorB stated the with his draw he doesn't have much chance against my deck of choice.
But things went quite bad, since the first half of my deck contained only one Titan. So I got stuck, and knew that
I won't have enough dmg, his creatures will eventually eat up my hp. But luckily got another Titan, and won the
game in the nick of time. Btw, he played a voodoo doll deck with some extra Auburn Nymphs if I recall correctly.
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Well done. ;)

1-2 against Deuce22

Well if Deuce says that I had bad draws in game 1 & 3 then...

0-1 Rustler, Dragons, PU
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Had quite a good draw, but we got dc'd... So he was able to beat the stupid AI who kept PUing his blue nymphs
instead of my dragons. We had to replay, since I also beat his AI. My usual tourney luck dictated that I should
have a bad hand in the replay. And indeed...
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1-1 Lava Golem/Fire Eater
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Everything went well. Got my deflag in hand, so I could evaporate his Eternity once he played it out.  After that everything was easy-peasy.
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1-2 Vader Sader Special ver 2
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It isn't easy to play this deck without vagger... Had 3 of them, all of them conveniently tucked away
in the deepest reaches of my deck. Didn't draw a single one in this game. And water is liquid apparently.
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2-1 against Submachine

1-0 Carbo Activatus
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I lovingly named this deck Carbo Activatus, since it is a substance which solves flatulence problems. :D
I speedbuilt it while waiting to Submachine, and I couldn't wipe the smirk off my face while playing it out. :D
Sorry about trolling but seeing that both TorB and Deuce favored it... I thought you'll try to use this megaweapon
against me as well. Originally I considered using an ug-deck, but alas, I have only one Blue Nymph! So I've built a Steam Machine/ug
deck instead of that, but didn't use it in this tourney.  Submachine claimed that with a better draw he would have been able to win.
Maybe, we will test it out.
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1-1 Lava Golem/Fire Eater
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First he played inflating Nymphs and now he played inflating fishies. After seeing the water
mark I knew that I'll be in a treat CC-wise. Being poisoned and constantly BB'd is really a treat!
I would say I had an average draw, would have needed a very very good draw to win.

2-1 Sadist Deck
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Haha, I started to write this phrase in Hungarian... So... I thought the he will go back to his Farty deck, so
I employed this funny deck. At least I hoped that he will play creatures. If he plays creatures everything is well...
And luckily he played Farties, so the pretty blue chili-lover girlie got quinted/SoW'd instantly. And there went a Reflection Shield as well. :)
Sorry for the 2nd trolling! ;)
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1-2 against Deuce22

Dèja Vu. And no, not the creature. The result...

0-1 Sadist Deck
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I must say that Deuce absolutely correctly anticipated that I'll go anti-ug. So we were just waited and waited
and waited to something happen. Then happened. A few cards before my deckout he played a Black Dragon and
fractalled it plus I got a few Drain Lifes into my face. Before that he softened me with the 2-card darkness stall: Dusk+Vagger. RIP.

1-1 Sadist Deck - Less Passive Version
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I figured that he may think that I'll forget this deck and he'll play ug's again. So I reinforced the deck with 2 psions - in case of
he isn't choosing ug deck. And yep, he didn't choose ug, played a purple nymph stall. It wasn't obvious since we watched
again each other doing nothing except playing pillars/pends. I had to throw away quite a few Quints and Refl. Shields,
and had to wait a lot (only 8 cards left) get the Psion. 28|4 is nice. :) After that he played the quinted Purple Nymphs,
but it was only cosmetic.
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1-2 Lava Golem/Darkness
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Pondered a lot what to play. I had time since Deuce went 'missing' (having a lunch). Ultimately I waited for him for 15 mins,
and kinda felt bad about being a good guy again and not an "a rule is a rule!" not-to-gentlemen-like-player. Nah, I wanted
to win by playing, not by using a rule! (And we kinda discussed it after the match, so no harm done.) But Lady Luck turned me
down again. Obviously Deuce had a 4-leaf clover salad for lunch. I had 15 pends in my deck and draw only 1!!!!! Had only
4 pends til the half of my deck. Very, very frustrating. He played a firestallish deck, maybe even used a Miracle (the only one in his deck) -
I'm not sure about this, the memories of the last game are really hazy. Should have played Frozen Catatitans... which I didn't chose since
that deck contains only 13 pends for 31 cards and I feared about my luck. Well, thank you! This deck: 15 pends for 30 cards. Luck... You... are... no... LADY!

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Re: Weekly Tournament - August 5th - Tripendency - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66197.msg1278576#msg1278576
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2018, 02:13:48 am »
If we could have a no-nymph tournament sometime in the near future that would be nice. I get people worked hard for them and it should give an advantage, but after facing nymphs in around 70% of my games the past couple tournaments, it's kind of annoying to have to play anti-nymph decks every game when I have so many other cool decks I want to try. I don't think I would consider them game-breaking to the point where you have to ban them, but I don't want them dominating the meta every week there isn't a super restricting ruleset like "speedbuilding out of 49 given cards."
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Re: Weekly Tournament - August 5th - Tripendency - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66197.msg1278581#msg1278581
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2018, 03:27:41 am »
banning all nymphs by default is like banning shards by default years ago, in most case u ban 11 cards for nothing rather than ban a single one

also it was really broken in an unupped tournament where not only u are forced to play a trio, u are also forced to play splitted pends? blue nymph is hard to fuel even in monoair with fire mark, u had every cc unbanned except reverse time

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Re: Weekly Tournament - August 5th - Tripendency - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66197.msg1278590#msg1278590
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2018, 06:44:30 am »
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