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Potluck Rules - Rule Suggestions http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59021.msg1198605#msg1198605
« on: July 26, 2015, 12:05:30 pm »
As Potluck Rules haven't only been used for Weekly Tournament's, but did also become a fun ruleset for League or Free matches, you can now post here your suggestions to add or modify the rules to keep it diversified. Discussions around new rule suggestions are welcome as well.

Rule Column A
  • The thin: 30-card deck
  • The thick: 40-card deck
  • The fat: 50-card deck
  • The morbidly obese: 60-card deck
  • The overkill: Cards with 0 cost must take up 40-50%(rounded up) of your deck
  • The pillarless: No pillars
  • The pendulumless: No pendulums
  • The undecided: Equal amount of pillars and pendulums
  • The joyful: Minimum 7 pillars and 7 pendulums
  • The slow: 45+ cards, Golden Hourglass, Golden Nymph and Shard of Bravery banned
  • The precise: Exactly 17 pendulums
  • The temporary: No Deflagration, Steal, Pulverizer, Butterfly Effect or Shard of Focus
Rule Column B
  • The Mono: Mono deck
  • The Duo: Duo deck
  • The Trio: Trio deck
  • The sixer: You have to include 6 copies of a 6-cost card
  • The yin-yang: Opposing duos must be used (Light/Darkness, Entropy/Gravity, Time/Aether etc.); you can't use both Black Hole/Amber Nymph and Discord in the same deck
  • The 3: No more than 3 copies of each card (other than pillars/pends)
  • The 6: Exactly 6 copies of each card (not including pillars/pends)
  • The problemsolver: No cards that cost 2, 3, 6, 8 or 9 quantum
  • The off-square: No cards that cost 1, 4 or 9 quantum
  • The off-prime: No cards that cost 2, 3, 5, 7, 11 or 13 quantum
  • The off-mark: No cards the same element as your mark
  • The freedom fighter: Denial cards are banned (list is provided below)
Rule Column C
  • The incarcerated: Cannot use Air, Life and Light cards, except pillars/pendulums
  • The knight: Cannot use Darkness, Death, Entropy and Aether cards, except pillars/pendulums
  • The resistant: No spells
  • The wishy-washy: No permanents (other than pillars and pendulums)
  • The grounded: No airborne creatures. Wings banned.
  • The baby got back: All creatures with 5+ hp. Gravity shield banned.
  • The nub-beloved: No creatures except Dragons
  • The broken: Creatures used must cost 3 or less quanta
  • The common: No rare cards
  • The in-element: No cards with different ability cost than their element
  • The off-element: No cards with the same ability cost as their element
  • The balanced: must have an equal number of creatures and spells.

Spoiler for Denial Cards:
Hover over cards for details, click for permalink
Deck import code : [Select]
4vl 55v 568 593 5ic 5rk 5ro 5um 5v1 624

Spoiler for Change Log:
- reworded "Opposing Duos" in Column B
- list of denial cards added
- shards included in some of the rules
- Golden Nymph included as a ban for "The slow" (A10)
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Re: Potluck Rules - Rule Suggestions http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59021.msg1198607#msg1198607
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2015, 12:14:03 pm »
13A. The Bun - 60 card deck, reduce deck size by 3 for each card costing 3 quanta.
13B. The Bunch - Deck must use at least 5 distinct cards.
13C. The Bunchie - Creatures only. All cards must cost less than 6.2 quanta. (All cards must cost 6 or less quanta.)

Also, post #7117.
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Re: Potluck Rules - Rule Suggestions http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59021.msg1198608#msg1198608
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2015, 12:20:42 pm »
Thanks for posting this!

For easy reference, could we get a list of denial cards as mentioned in Column B Rule 12 added to the original post?

Also, because most weekly tournaments have shards banned, they aren't mentioned on this list - for sharded play, would you mind adding Shard of Bravery to Column A Rule 10, and Shard of Focus to Column A Rule 12?

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Re: Potluck Rules - Rule Suggestions http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59021.msg1198610#msg1198610
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2015, 12:24:23 pm »
I remember having a hard time balancing these, so make sure that what you add doesn't limit the possible meta too much (e.g don't make people use dead cards) and is also compatible with rules from other columns.
That being said, I'm glad to see that these are still being used. :D
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Re: Potluck Rules - Rule Suggestions http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59021.msg1198617#msg1198617
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2015, 12:49:18 pm »
For easy reference, could we get a list of denial cards as mentioned in Column B Rule 12 added to the original post?

Also, because most weekly tournaments have shards banned, they aren't mentioned on this list - for sharded play, would you mind adding Shard of Bravery to Column A Rule 10, and Shard of Focus to Column A Rule 12?
Done.

13A. The Bun - 60 card deck, reduce deck size by 3 for each card costing 3 quanta.
13B. The Bunch - Deck must use at least 5 distinct cards.
13C. The Bunchie - Creatures only. All cards must cost less than 6.2 quanta. (All cards must cost 6 or less quanta.)
13A: Interesting idea, might interfere with rule B8 or B10, though.
13B: What do you mean by "destinct"? 5 different cards?
13C: "Creatures only" is very hard to balance, as everyone will simply go with Graboid or Immo-Rush, considering CC doesn't matter much. Maxwell's Demon is the only real counter to these decks, that might even get banned by B10.
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Re: Potluck Rules - Rule Suggestions http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59021.msg1198618#msg1198618
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2015, 12:53:03 pm »
13A. The Bun - 60 card deck, reduce deck size by 3 for each card costing 3 quanta.
13B. The Bunch - Deck must use at least 5 distinct cards.
13C. The Bunchie - Creatures only. All cards must cost less than 6.2 quanta. (All cards must cost 6 or less quanta.)
13A: Interesting idea, might interfere with rule B8 or B10, though.
13B: What do you mean by "destinct"? 5 different cards?
13C: "Creatures only" is very hard to balance, as everyone will simply go with Graboid or Immo-Rush, considering CC doesn't matter much. Maxwell's Demon is the only real counter to these decks, that might even get banned by B10.
A - B8/B10 just makes it a 60-cards only rule. Not really a conflict IMHO.
B - Pretty certain I spelled it "distinct", as the quote would show. 5 different cards, yes.
C - Willing to adjust. How does this sound?
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Re: Potluck Rules - Rule Suggestions http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59021.msg1198694#msg1198694
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2015, 07:16:57 pm »
13A. The Bun - 60 card deck, reduce deck size by 3 for each card costing 3 quanta.
13B. The Bunch - Deck must use at least 5 distinct cards.
13C. The Bunchie - Creatures only. All cards must cost less than 6.2 quanta. (All cards must cost 6 or less quanta.)
13A: Interesting idea, might interfere with rule B8 or B10, though.
13B: What do you mean by "destinct"? 5 different cards?
13C: "Creatures only" is very hard to balance, as everyone will simply go with Graboid or Immo-Rush, considering CC doesn't matter much. Maxwell's Demon is the only real counter to these decks, that might even get banned by B10.
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Re: Potluck Rules - Rule Suggestions http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59021.msg1199024#msg1199024
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2015, 03:20:48 pm »
A - B8/B10 just makes it a 60-cards only rule. Not really a conflict IMHO.
B - Pretty certain I spelled it "distinct", as the quote would show. 5 different cards, yes.
C - Willing to adjust. How does this sound?
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A: I am not sure if a 2nd 60card-set will be liked too much. The reduction possibility is a good idea, but has to be balanced. At a cost of 3, especially fire decks with Fire Bolt, Rage Potion and Fahrenheit will have a large advantage. Bows with Graboids, Earthquake and Discord are another possibility. We would need to find a good cost for this; it is okay to make different costs for unupped and upped. We might also think to replace the current 60-card-rule with a mod of this.

B: You did, I just made a typo. So, both player choose 5 cards to be banned only for their opponent, or to ban for both? The latter is easier to balance, the former makes it more strategic and could lead to OP combos in certain Rule-combinations. I am open for both.

C. Rather looks for a Column B rule, where it looks fine. Maybe even 5 or less.

Anything in this topic is free for open discussion, of course! I want to get sure several people agree with a new rule before I add it.
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Re: Potluck Rules - Rule Suggestions http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59021.msg1199030#msg1199030
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2015, 04:08:52 pm »
A. Alright, as long as the name is kept. Any suggestions for a different cost number?
B. No, my intention is that each player has to use exactly 5 different cards in their deck. For example a deck of 14x Water Pillar , 6x Puffer Fish, 4x Ice Bolt, 4x Purify, and  6x Abyss Crawler would qualify as a 'valid' deck since 5 distinct cards are being used (Water Pillar, Puffer Fish, Ice Bolt, Purify, Abyss Crawler)
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Re: Potluck Rules - Rule Suggestions http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59021.msg1266177#msg1266177
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2017, 05:18:32 pm »
B13: a bit of everything
your deck must include one and only one distinct card costing from one to six, multiple copies allowed

B14: sparky
Your deck must include at least four sparks

C13: Gambler
Your deck must have only gamble based win conditions
(Soser, mutants, chaos seed, pande, skeleton RT, discord, skull shield, fog shield, thorn shield, fate egg, dusk mantle, mindgate, icebolt, Rainbow NT, ice shield)

Notes for C13:
Win condition means your way to win is though those gambles. you can have other creatures and spells,
BUT THE CORE OF THE DECK MUST BE THE GAMBLE
BH banned,      edit: in all its forms (amber nymph is considered silenced in ALL cases)
soFree is not gamble, as you end up with 100% pretty much everytime
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Re: Potluck Rules - Rule Suggestions http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59021.msg1266206#msg1266206
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2017, 02:51:49 pm »
This will be off-topic, but:

Rule Column C
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Re: Potluck Rules - Rule Suggestions http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59021.msg1273665#msg1273665
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2018, 11:35:13 pm »
I had felt like using potluck rules sometime, but always got the impression that various rules are real funstoppers. Should we maybe replace some rules?
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