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Elements PvP Tournament - Suggestions and Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7055.msg76039#msg76039
« on: May 27, 2010, 05:53:03 pm »
Please post tournament feedback.
  • How well a tournament was run?
  • What problems did you encounter?
  • How would you improve tournaments?
  • etc.
Thanks.
« Last Edit: July 10, 2013, 12:53:01 am by Vineroz »

Levgre

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Re: Tournament Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7055.msg76952#msg76952
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2010, 03:54:25 am »
My suggestion is to increase electrum prizes.  I believe that the only prize that really stands out is 1st place, since you get a rare card.

Consider a tournament takes 2 hours... if you farm false gods, in 2 hours you can easily earn 6k-10k.  That means that these special event tournaments are less lucrative for the winners than normal farming. (then of course if you don't get top4 you get nothing)

So I suggest increasing each electrum prize by a thousand or a couple thousand.  I still think that would be completely reasonable and balanced.

Belthazar666

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Re: Tournament Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7055.msg76966#msg76966
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2010, 04:11:26 am »
I disagree. If there were more people, then sure, increase it. But until we consistently get a moderately high amount of people, it's  fine.

Levgre

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Re: Tournament Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7055.msg76981#msg76981
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2010, 04:34:25 am »
Why do you think it shouldn't be increased, other than you think the current prizes are "fine"?  Even if you are fine with the current prizes, would you also be fine with increased prizes.

My argument is that the electrum prizes fall far short of normal elements play, considering the time investment that goes into tournaments.  I think special events, even though they aren't special 'because' of the prizes, should have prizes that are exciting, so to speak.  As of now they are sort of just consolation prizes, not at all lucrative but more a "thanks for participating".

Belthazar666

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Re: Tournament Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7055.msg76985#msg76985
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2010, 04:43:24 am »
Um, I didn't just say "It's fine" You act as if that's the only thing I said. I said it's fine with the amount of players we generally have in one tournament. Until we have bigger tournaments, we shouldn't be increasing prices. Plus, the big thing is the nymph/mark card you win at 1st.


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Re: Tournament Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7055.msg76986#msg76986
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2010, 04:44:54 am »
As I said in the other thread, I think prizes should get better depending on how many people enter (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6136.msg80396#msg80396).

Can we please change the Eastern Tournament start time 2-3 hours earlier?

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Re: Tournament Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7055.msg77001#msg77001
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2010, 05:22:05 am »
im with plast in this one 2-3 hours earlier would be nice

Levgre

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Re: Tournament Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7055.msg77008#msg77008
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2010, 05:25:28 am »
I have more feedback on the tournament.  Terroking failed in his responsibility as a tournament hoster, and the criteria for signing up for the tournament needs to be clarified, because...

I signed up for the tournament in the sign up thread.
I was in the chat 5 minutes BEFORE tournament start.
Yet, Terroking didn't let me be in the tournament because I didn't see an respond to his query in the jumbled chat with dozens of lines.

Apparently it was required I watched the chat and read all the messages to help Terroking do his job of figuring out who in the chat room was there.

But there is NOTHING in the rules about having to answer a roll call at tournament start, just that you have to sign up and be in the chat room.  IF you WANT to require a roll-call, add it to the rules so people actually know!

He could have even sent me a private message in chat.  He did no such thing.

Either change the rules requiring a roll call, or don't let people like Terroking host who add these arbitrary rules for registering in a tournament and don't even send a private chat message to the people he is trying to figure out are there.

I spent an hour waiting and preparing decks, and that time was wasted, because Terroking was too inflexible and not thorough.  The manager of the tournament is supposed to be the organizer, so follow the rules or send a private chat message.  I was reading the chat but not following it closely..

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Re: Tournament Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7055.msg77047#msg77047
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2010, 06:55:55 am »
*I'm posting this here because tournaments are run by the forum basically. I'm not sure if it should instead go in the tournament section though.

So there's been some in-chat suggestions of changing the tournament to double elimination.

For info about double elimination: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-elimination_tournament#Pros_and_cons

Basically, it's more fair and guards against a good player being eliminated by an unlucky seed against another good player. However, it also requires more games (but I think it only adds on a single round, so theoretically if a tournament goes smoothly it wouldn't take too much longer).

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Re: Tournament Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7055.msg77049#msg77049
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2010, 06:57:29 am »
The eastern tourney should be 2-3 hours earlyer in my honest opinion. I got 4th place. My best yet!

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Re: Tournament Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7055.msg77104#msg77104
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2010, 08:47:15 am »
I have more feedback on the tournament.  Terroking failed in his responsibility as a tournament hoster, and the criteria for signing up for the tournament needs to be clarified, because...

I signed up for the tournament in the sign up thread.
I was in the chat 5 minutes BEFORE tournament start.
Yet, Terroking didn't let me be in the tournament because I didn't see an respond to his query in the jumbled chat with dozens of lines.

Apparently it was required I watched the chat and read all the messages to help Terroking do his job of figuring out who in the chat room was there.

But there is NOTHING in the rules about having to answer a roll call at tournament start, just that you have to sign up and be in the chat room.  IF you WANT to require a roll-call, add it to the rules so people actually know!

He could have even sent me a private message in chat.  He did no such thing.

Either change the rules requiring a roll call, or don't let people like Terroking host who add these arbitrary rules for registering in a tournament and don't even send a private chat message to the people he is trying to figure out are there.

I spent an hour waiting and preparing decks, and that time was wasted, because Terroking was too inflexible and not thorough.  The manager of the tournament is supposed to be the organizer, so follow the rules or send a private chat message.  I was reading the chat but not following it closely..
My sincere apologies. Something like this is very unfortunate, and we will do our best to make sure that it does not happen again.

Problem is of course that the last 10 minutes before a tournament starts is pretty hectic, and building those brackets can be a nightmare with all the people afk, not show up, random people joining chat, etc.

We'll try to come up with a better system.

Scaredgirl

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Re: Tournament Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7055.msg77108#msg77108
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2010, 08:51:48 am »
*I'm posting this here because tournaments are run by the forum basically. I'm not sure if it should instead go in the tournament section though.

So there's been some in-chat suggestions of changing the tournament to double elimination.

For info about double elimination: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-elimination_tournament#Pros_and_cons

Basically, it's more fair and guards against a good player being eliminated by an unlucky seed against another good player. However, it also requires more games (but I think it only adds on a single round, so theoretically if a tournament goes smoothly it wouldn't take too much longer).
I merged this post here because this is where you post tournament suggestions and feedback (as you are well aware).

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A disadvantage compared to the single-elimination format is that a considerably greater number of matches have to be conducted
That is the reason we won't be having double elimination.

Once we get the ingame link and most likely every single tournament is 32vs32, there cannot be any extra matches because it's already taking too long. Right now the biggest challenge is how to make tournaments go faster. What you suggested is totally the opposite.

As for having to face a good player in round 1.. I have three things:
  • try to win
  • if you lose, you deserve to get kicked out of the tournament
  • don't lose

 

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