War #5 - Propaganda Speech Poll

[Jenkar]

Over and over this turns into a plain popularity vote.

I don't see why this should necessarily be a bad thing. That is how things in the world roll. Elections, marketing, social life, fashion... Quality is always behind popularity. I prefer quality too but popularity is more realistic.

A) this precisely isn't the real world, but is internet.
B) Look at how the world rolls. Honestly, if i was building a new one i would try NOT to imitate it.

[hainkarga]

A) this precisely isn't the real world, but is internet.
B) Look at how the world rolls. Honestly, if i was building a new one i would try NOT to imitate it.

But internet is part of the real world. Don't wanna get boringly philosophical here -for it makes me furious- but unreal things are things that don't exist, internet does. People you interact here,members of this community, and your interaction with them are real too.
Because you don't have to physically deal (hear, talk, mimic) with people on some forums, you can disregard them easier for sure. But this is not same as "unreal" or "imaginative".

You are dealing with real people here. Not perfect AI judges who have absolute sense of quality (what?). It will be a popularity contest unless the voters are trained professionals (in art, speech etc) and devoid of emotions in their judgement. So it is normal for them to vote their popular element or vote for an element because someone like glenn made a campaign for it. No need to get sore about it.

[Jenkar]

You're assuming two things, both which i think are wrong.
A) People act the same on the internet as irl.
B) Things coming from one place (real world) have to stay the same when you go to another. I find this very flawed. The very basis of a new community is to change the way people interact.

Also, i'm not getting sore about the way that peoplle act, but at your assumption it's frozen in stone.

[Higurashi]

Over and over this turns into a plain popularity vote.

I don't see why this should necessarily be a bad thing. That is how things in the world roll. Elections, marketing, social life, fashion... Quality is always behind popularity. I prefer quality too but popularity is more realistic.

Considering the amount of works we put that's quite sad to see this but hey, that's the life. Well done fire and thanks for all who voted for death

I didn't want you to but it would make more sense for death to win this over fire, you did fine work.  Fire's speech is far from 1st place.

You're quoting only part of my sentence, which is the kind of strawman argument I tend to ignore. I don't think you did it on purpose, so I will start out from the perspective that you used my entire sentence.
The purpose of Propaganda in War is not to be a popularity contest.

Propaganda was created to:
- Further unite your team in the early stages of War.  Ideally multiple players would contribute from each team.
- Give War more color and take it to another level.
- Showcase the community's talents.

We are not criticizing how popularity votes work (biased crowd, easy to manipulate). We just plain don't want 'em. The fact that propaganda is one affects the produced work heavily, and it's a very negative effect, which falls in line with my experience with popularity votes.

[Acsabi44]

The purpose of Propaganda in War is not to be a popularity contest.

Propaganda was created to:
- Further unite your team in the early stages of War.  Ideally multiple players would contribute from each team.
- Give War more color and take it to another level.
- Showcase the community's talents.

1, I think we pass that by far. Every one of us worked on our comic and we had a good time during that.
2, Our comic definitely adds "more color"... Maybe not from a perspective you mean, but it definitely does. It is a short story which is enjoyable to read (or maybe not, if one doesn't like this kind of stuff, but that is not the point here) while tells the "fantasy" story of our team. Okay, it is not too heroic, I give you that. Nothing like William Wallace before the battle of Stirling. From that perspective, it is really not a "real" speech, but I don't think that all submissions have to be like that.
3, It showcases Shrink's art talents and the other member's storytelling talent.

Last but not least, it has a lot of work in it. Even if you exclude the pictures and count only the text, it is longer than a regular speech.
By the way, Ralouf wrote a great speech, but in the end we decided to go with the traditional death comic instead.

[Onizuka]

If you got all of that out of prop, you don't need the cards, do you?