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Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1064035#msg1064035
« on: April 26, 2013, 07:49:06 am »
Have gays/lesbians been more of a positive or negative elements to society? Maybe neither?

Feel free to take this topic in any direction, but please keep it to political things like society and stuff only.

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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1064049#msg1064049
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2013, 08:09:25 am »
In my personal opinion:

Positives: More adopted children, slightly less children being born, More acceptance of differences (if we can accept gays, we can accept different cultures etc.), more knowledge about STDs (Homosexual couples are usually given more information from doctors), More satisfied, happy couples thus less divorce, potentially better Sex education in the future.

Negatives: Potentially more violence, though this is towards gays/lesbians not from gays/lesbians, Slight increase in spread of STDs (unsure of validity of this).

Maybe more, hard to think at 4AM.
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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1064164#msg1064164
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2013, 06:39:36 pm »
Positives:
* They are generally more open minded. They are far less judgemental.
* Their very existence bring diversity to human race.
* They are generally more humanist than others.
* Their presence influence public in breaking taboos. Today they help with freeing people's mind about sex, tomorrow they may help getting rid of disgusting stuff like religion.
* Thanks to them, we can pinpoint stupid & shallow people just by observing whoever hates gays.
* The more gays, the more chicks for me. I wish every man in the world were gays except for me. The world would be a better place and i would be crowned king of the planet earth. That is a good thing for society.

Negatives:
* They are more fabulous than us straight people and girls like them more. This pisses me off.
* The more lesbians, the less chicks for me. [There is a lesbian that i like : ( ]
« Last Edit: April 26, 2013, 07:01:59 pm by hainkarga »
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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1064201#msg1064201
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2013, 09:06:37 pm »
Oh gosh lol...

Ok, on a more serious note (still laughing  ;) )

Cases of STD's have shot up with continuation of Gay's=more taxes for medical bills. How do you respond?

80% of gays will have over 15 partners in their life time. Is this really a good thing/can it be a bad thing? (not good doesn't necessarily mean bad)


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Their presence influence public in breaking taboos. Today they help with freeing people's mind about sex, tomorrow they may help getting rid of disgusting stuff like religion.
Please don't make these comments here. If you think religion is disgusting, please keep to yourself as I don't want to offend anyone

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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1064217#msg1064217
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2013, 10:07:57 pm »
Cases of STD's have shot up with continuation of Gay's=more taxes for medical bills. How do you respond?
80% of gays will have over 15 partners in their life time. Is this really a good thing/can it be a bad thing? (not good doesn't necessarily mean bad)

So you think 15 partners are a problem and parents should arrange gay marriages for their kids when they are infant and then gays should keep their virginity until they get married with each other in order to ensure they will have one and only lifetime partners. And you think gays are a burden for your economy because god punishes them by magically inflicting STDs more than he does to straight people ?
These are very brilliant ideas mate, no wonder i find you comatose redneck village people kind of cute.
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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1064226#msg1064226
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2013, 10:45:15 pm »
Cases of STD's have shot up with continuation of Gay's=more taxes for medical bills. How do you respond?
80% of gays will have over 15 partners in their life time. Is this really a good thing/can it be a bad thing? (not good doesn't necessarily mean bad)

So you think 15 partners are a problem and parents should arrange gay marriages for their kids when they are infant and then gays should keep their virginity until they get married with each other in order to ensure they will have one and only lifetime partners. And you think gays are a burden for your economy because god punishes them by magically inflicting STDs more than he does to straight people ?
These are very brilliant ideas mate, no wonder i find you comatose redneck village people kind of cute.

Please don't make these comments here. If you think religion is disgusting, please keep to yourself as I don't want to offend anyone


So I openly state my disgust over some set of beliefs and you threaten to get personal with me ? I find it amusing how religious people see themselves as the victims yet they have been the oppressors since the dawn of patriarchy. 
Sorry mate, i have no beef with you nor i have any obligation to respect religion whatsoever. In fact, i respect hitler more than i respect religion. At least hitler was real and the world is over with him : )
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Woah woah woah. You are dramatically over reacting and blowing Furby's posts way out of proportion. For the first point, he stated a statistic and asked if it was a good thing, bad thing, or neutral thing, and you jump to an assumption of desiring arranged marriage? The heck? And Furby just made a legitament point, if more people need medical care medical care will cost more, thats just something to discuss. Furby never claimed to be a religious person, you're attacking something that isn't here. And the facts are gays tend to be more likely to have STDs, no one said anything about god or if he was "pushing" them, it's a fact.

Arguing that people in the past are bad so you can be bad is an incredibly stupid argument. You may not agree, but that is no reason to activly insult someone who doesn't share your beliefs. Especially when it is completely irrelevant to the thread. No one brought up religion before you, this thread was purely the social effects that gays may have. And you can say "I disagree with religions and personally think its dumb and has caused problems", but saying that it is disgusting is just horrible tact and incredibly rude.
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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1064228#msg1064228
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2013, 10:56:37 pm »
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Woah woah woah. You are dramatically over reacting and blowing Furby's posts way out of proportion. For the first point, he stated a statistic and asked if it was a good thing, bad thing, or neutral thing, and you jump to an assumption of desiring arranged marriage? The heck? And Furby just made a legitament point, if more people need medical care medical care will cost more, thats just something to discuss. Furby never claimed to be a religious person, you're attacking something that isn't here. And the facts are gays tend to be more likely to have STDs, no one said anything about god or if he was "pushing" them, it's a fact.

Arguing that people in the past are bad so you can be bad is an incredibly stupid argument. You may not agree, but that is no reason to activly insult someone who doesn't share your beliefs. Especially when it is completely irrelevant to the thread. No one brought up religion before you, this thread was purely the social effects that gays may have. And you can say "I disagree with religions and personally think its dumb and has caused problems", but saying that it is disgusting is just horrible tact and incredibly rude.
Thank you for clearing that up

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So you think 15 partners are a problem

I think that not being committed is a big problem in society today. I mean, if gays choose not to marry and are okay with sharing each other around, that is fine, but the statistic is talking about married gay people...people you actually say is the only one for me. I think that is a problem and a bad example to society on holding onto commitments.

BTW, marriage does not prevent STD's.


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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1064301#msg1064301
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2013, 03:17:03 am »
Arguing that people in the past are bad so you can be bad is an incredibly stupid argument.

Who said something about people in the past? As long as the bible and koran aren't acknowledged as the fascist crap they are, every single 'believer' is bad.

Fine, rephrase. Just because other people are bad does not give you the right to be bad. I don't agree with capitalism and think it is horribly unfair to people because it doesn't truely reward hard work. Does that mean I call capitalism disgusting and insult all capitalists? No, because I have some common decency and know how to make an argument without being offensive.

Now PLEASE can this thread get back on topic instead of attacking a group that didn't need to be brought into this?
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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1064304#msg1064304
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2013, 03:32:30 am »
I removed my post since I was too angry when writing it. I agree with Naesala.


Something that would be good to point out is that there are very few differences between people of various sexualities (LGBT...). We will always find differences to highlight and categorize people so homosexuals being an example minority is not a characteristic of homosexuality. If we had not highlighted sexuality as a means of categorizing people, we would have some other minority to use as an example minority.

The only impacts resulting from homosexuality are connected to the sexuality.
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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1064308#msg1064308
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2013, 04:03:57 am »
Something that would be good to point out is that there are very few differences between people of various sexualities (LGBT...).

Just a quick note, I would like to point out that transgender is not a sexuality. It is how one identifies, not with who they have sex. As a MtF transgender, I feel this is important to note. Also, pansexuality is a sexuality that should be noted.

Also, thank you Old tress. Additionally I don't follow the rest of your post for some reason (blame the lack of sleep >.>) How does this connect to the effects Lesbians and gays have on society?
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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1064324#msg1064324
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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1064373#msg1064373
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2013, 09:29:48 am »
I don't agree with capitalism and think it is horribly unfair to people because it doesn't truely reward hard work. Does that mean I call capitalism disgusting and insult all capitalists? No, because I have some common decency and know how to make an argument without being offensive.

If you actually think capitalism is 'horribly unfair', but moderate your critic in order to 'not sound offensive', you're nothing but an opportunist who cares more about not breaking unwritten social laws in order to be able to keep living in his friendly bubble than about making the world a fairer place.

Fine, rephrase. Just because other people are bad does not give you the right to be bad.

You are equating a fascist idea that millions follow with someone swearing on the internet. That digusts me, again.



What I do agree on is that this doesn't belong here. However, what OP said as a comment to hainkarga highly alarmed me. (Roughly: 'Please keep that to yourself, I don't want to offend anyone'). This is more or less exactly the way of thinking that enabled Hitler to come to power, and will enable the next Hitler to do so. Thus, even though I can't fully agree with what hainkarga wrote (My 'respect' for Hitler is zero, thus my respect for religions can't be less), he was very right to broach this, normally too often discussed, topic.

I will however show my goodwilland try to go back to topic. As I think that everything I'd have to contribute to the actual question has already been brought up, I wanted to share an experience I've made in Germany. (And at least in other central european countries, it's the same) Basically, the correct opinion (sic) is that racism and hate on homosexuality (homophobia is an idiotic word) are bad. However, while almost everyone actually thinks racism is bad, hating on homosexuality is just as 'modern' and 'cool' as it used to be, it just has to be done secretly. I wonder where that difference comes from.

 

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