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sentinence https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27735.msg353437#msg353437
« on: June 19, 2011, 12:42:53 am »
when do you believe an organism becomes sentiment? what is sentience?
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Re: sentinence https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27735.msg353466#msg353466
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2011, 02:37:32 am »
You mean "sentience" and "sentient" ?

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Re: sentinence https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27735.msg353481#msg353481
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2011, 03:25:25 am »
There is no such thing as sentience. We're all biochemical machines made of protons, neutrons, and electrons. It's just that our automatic behaviors are so complex that it seems like we're sentient.
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Re: sentinence https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27735.msg353485#msg353485
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2011, 03:36:51 am »
^ Despite that, we are still conscious and capable of perceiving our surroundings in a conscious manner, if such a term as "consciousness" can be used here.

Any organism that has at least a rudimentary sense of touch and a brain that can comprehend its own existence is sentient.

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Re: sentinence https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27735.msg353487#msg353487
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2011, 03:42:47 am »
Self-awareness. And a pre-requisite to becoming self-aware is to be able to "think" - to be able to reflect on your actions or existence. After all, "I think...Therefore, I am."

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Re: sentinence https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27735.msg353498#msg353498
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2011, 04:26:07 am »
In my very literal sense, my answer is: When it's aware that other beings think it's aware.
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Re: sentinence https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27735.msg354590#msg354590
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2011, 07:47:52 pm »
in my opinion "ignorance is bliss" and that the less we ponder this the more good we are doing. Just thinking about this hurts, and as thus we shouldn't think about it. The answer is different for every person.

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Re: sentinence https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27735.msg354592#msg354592
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2011, 07:51:41 pm »
in my opinion "ignorance is bliss" and that the less we ponder this the more good we are doing. Just thinking about this hurts, and as thus we shouldn't think about it. The answer is different for every person.
Indeed, because striving to understand how everything works (to the best of their abilities) is the major goal of MOST people. "thinking about this hurts... thus, we shouldn't think about it." Terrible logic.
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Re: sentinence https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27735.msg354597#msg354597
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2011, 07:59:42 pm »
in my opinion "ignorance is bliss" and that the less we ponder this the more good we are doing. Just thinking about this hurts, and as thus we shouldn't think about it. The answer is different for every person.
Indeed, because striving to understand how everything works (to the best of their abilities) is the major goal of MOST people. "thinking about this hurts... thus, we shouldn't think about it." Terrible logic.

I'm sorry that is not what i meant to say. What i mean is that if we don't think about it then we won't have as many problems concerning thinking about it. Think about what would happen if someone figured out if we have sentience or not. If not, and that everything is a chemical reaction than that said person could exploit that and cause major havoc. And if they discovered that we are sentient than they could figure out something horribly evil the could do with that knowledge (can't think of any off-hand) . If we don't think about it than it lowers the chance of someone figuring it out and using it against any other person. In that way thinking about it hurts.

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Re: sentinence https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27735.msg354600#msg354600
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2011, 08:02:16 pm »
in my opinion "ignorance is bliss" and that the less we ponder this the more good we are doing. Just thinking about this hurts, and as thus we shouldn't think about it. The answer is different for every person.
Indeed, because striving to understand how everything works (to the best of their abilities) is the major goal of MOST people. "thinking about this hurts... thus, we shouldn't think about it." Terrible logic.

I'm sorry that is not what i meant to say. What i mean is that if we don't think about it then we won't have as many problems concerning thinking about it. Think about what would happen if someone figured out if we have sentience or not. If not, and that everything is a chemical reaction than that said person could exploit that and cause major havoc. And if they discovered that we are sentient than they could figure out something horribly evil the could do with that knowledge (can't think of any off-hand) . If we don't think about it than it lowers the chance of someone figuring it out and using it against any other person. In that way thinking about it hurts.
It's simple tautology.
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Re: sentinence https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27735.msg354601#msg354601
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2011, 08:03:46 pm »
in my opinion "ignorance is bliss" and that the less we ponder this the more good we are doing. Just thinking about this hurts, and as thus we shouldn't think about it. The answer is different for every person.
Indeed, because striving to understand how everything works (to the best of their abilities) is the major goal of MOST people. "thinking about this hurts... thus, we shouldn't think about it." Terrible logic.

I'm sorry that is not what i meant to say. What i mean is that if we don't think about it then we won't have as many problems concerning thinking about it. Think about what would happen if someone figured out if we have sentience or not. If not, and that everything is a chemical reaction than that said person could exploit that and cause major havoc. And if they discovered that we are sentient than they could figure out something horribly evil the could do with that knowledge (can't think of any off-hand) . If we don't think about it than it lowers the chance of someone figuring it out and using it against any other person. In that way thinking about it hurts.
That's the funny thing about humans. We'll take any info we get, and twist it to fit our desires. So, yes, we could destroy ourselves, but it's a double-sided coin. We could easily turn it into benefits. Just have faith that humans MIGHT choose something beneficial for ourselves in general.
Perception is the source of misunderstanding.

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Re: sentinence https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27735.msg354607#msg354607
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2011, 08:06:25 pm »
in my opinion "ignorance is bliss" and that the less we ponder this the more good we are doing. Just thinking about this hurts, and as thus we shouldn't think about it. The answer is different for every person.
Indeed, because striving to understand how everything works (to the best of their abilities) is the major goal of MOST people. "thinking about this hurts... thus, we shouldn't think about it." Terrible logic.

I'm sorry that is not what i meant to say. What i mean is that if we don't think about it then we won't have as many problems concerning thinking about it. Think about what would happen if someone figured out if we have sentience or not. If not, and that everything is a chemical reaction than that said person could exploit that and cause major havoc. And if they discovered that we are sentient than they could figure out something horribly evil the could do with that knowledge (can't think of any off-hand) . If we don't think about it than it lowers the chance of someone figuring it out and using it against any other person. In that way thinking about it hurts.
That's the funny thing about humans. We'll take any info we get, and twist it to fit our desires. So, yes, we could destroy ourselves, but it's a double-sided coin. We could easily turn it into benefits. Just have faith that humans MIGHT choose something beneficial for ourselves in general.
i have no faith whatsoever in humans and think about how many people in the world that are greedy and/or sex-crazed

 

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