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Title: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on January 31, 2017, 10:19:34 pm
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/pcvideo-games/pokemon-showdown-type-tournament/ The original by RR


Overview
Pokemon Showdown (http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/) is a simulator for playing competitive Pokemon games. If you have not tried competitive Pokemon before, I would certainly recommend it, because it involves a high degree of strategy and originality. For this tournament, players will have a Type, and they will be required to use at least 4 Pokemon of their Type. We will be using Smogon's tier list. (http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/) Feel free to post any questions or concerns in this thread.

Sign-ups
To sign up, post in this thread, and include your Pokemon Showdown name if it differs from your forum name. Then, send a private message to killsdazombies with your bids. The bidding process is explained below.

Bids
Players are given 12 "points," which will be explained in the following section. Players may bid on the 18 Types, with each bid ranging from 0 to 12. Types will be given to the players who bid the highest on them, on the condition that players are only given one type. Thus, a player is guaranteed a Type even if all of their bids are 0. Ties will be settled through RNG. A bidding template is below, and it would be filled with numbers from 0 to 12.
Bug -
Dark -
Dragon -
Electric -
Fairy -
Fighting -
Fire -
Flying -
Ghost -
Grass -
Ground -
Ice -
Normal -
Poison -
Psychic -
Rock -
Steel -
Water -

Teambuilding
Once the bidding ends, players are given their Type, as well as their number of points, which is equal to 12 minus their winning bid. For instance, a player who bid 5 points on their Type would have 7 points remaining. In each team, players must use at least 4 Pokemon of their type. The tiers they are allowed to use depend on their remaining number of points. Each OU or BL Pokemon costs 2 points, and each UU Pokemon costs 1 point. Ubers and Limbo Pokemon are banned. Pokemon of the remaining tiers may be used with no restriction. For example, a player with 7 points could use 2 OU Pokemon, 3 UU Pokemon, and 1 RU Pokemon (2*2+3*1+0=7). Players are not required to use all of their points. Players are allowed to use a different team each game, as long as their team follows the rules. A Pokemon with a Mega Evolution item is considered in-type if it's regular OR mega evolution is in-type.
http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/formats/ou/
BL Pokemon count for 2 points, same as OU. BL2, BL3, etc. can be used without restriction.


Pairings and Elimination
For Phase 1, players be randomly ordered for the purposes of matchmaking. Each player will play against the two players "above" them and the two players "below" them, for a total of four matches. For example, Player 6 would be matched against Players 4, 5, 7, and 8. Each match consists of a total of three games. After Phase 1, which lasts three weeks, players are ranked according to Weighted Win Percentage (WWP). The top 5 players move on to Phase 2, which is round-robin. As with the previous phase, Phase 2 lasts 3 weeks and the matches consist of three games. The winner of the event is the player with the highest overall WWP, with all 24 games being taken into consideration.
Each Win is multiplied by a Weighting Factor of (0.5+OpponentWinPercentage). Each Loss is multiplied by a Weighting Factor of (1.5-OpponentWinPercentage). The WWP is calculated as Weighted Wins divided by (Weighted Wins + Weighted Losses). For example, if a player had 6 wins and 6 losses, all of which were against opponents with 9 wins and 3 losses each, their WWP would be (6*(0.5+0.75))/(6*(0.5+0.75)+6*(1.5-0.75))=0.625. If a player had 9 wins and 3 losses, and their 9 wins were against players with 6 wins and 6 losses while their 3 losses were against players with 12 wins and 0 losses, their WWP would be (9*(0.5+0.5))/(9*(0.5+0.5)+3*(1.5-1))=0.857. As you can see, strength of schedule is important but not overvalued. Furthermore, the calculation can be verified fairly easily.

Comments
The reason for the bidding method is to ensure variety and fairness. If we let multiple people choose the same Type, there will be little variety. If we have a first-come-first-serve system, there will be little fairness. The reason for this system of Pairings and Elimination is so that players will have a sufficient amount of matches before there are any eliminations. There is no championship game, as it would potentially be unfair if there is a type advantage.

I will be signing up, but with 0 in all bets

Sign-ups
killsdazombies
Discord
Submachine
Solaris
ji412jo
dawn to dusk
JonathanCrazyJ
dracomageat
Zawadx
Coffeeditto
Mathman101
Godisnowonline
Killsdazombies
18 Players Max

Additional notes
After this game is over, if we have a large enough community for it, I'd like to set up a gym/challenger system. Though, this seems unlikely, and there was opposition to it before (because of our size of interest)  its still an idea I want to discuss. Failing that, this game can be rerun several times. Others may host if they want, though it doesn't mean much.

The Number next to a name indicates how many points they have SPENT on their bidding. Math, in this instance, has 8 to spend, Disco (or zyardran) has 5.

You will battle the two people above you and below you (consider it a circle, Godisnowonline will fight coffeeditto and dracomageat, as well as zyardran and ji412jo)

ROUND 1

Godisnowonline: ice (3)
Coffeeditto: Dragon (0)
Dracomageat: Rock (3)
Zawadx: Fairy (0)
Submachine: Steel (4)
JonathanCrazyJ: Ground (2)
Mathman101: Ghost (4)
Killsdazombies: Bug (0)
dawn to dusk: Water (4)
Solaris: Psychic (0)
Cactusking: Grass (0)
Ji412jo: Poison (0)
Zyardran: Fire (7)

Round 2!

Submachine
Gino
Ji412jo
Zawadx
dawn to Dusk
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Zyardran on January 31, 2017, 10:23:05 pm
Sign me up!
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Submachine on January 31, 2017, 10:34:59 pm
Which type was the winner for the first one?

Also, in I guess.

EDIT: IGN is "Flying Sub".
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Solaris on January 31, 2017, 10:36:22 pm
give it to me b0ss
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: MyNameIsJoey on January 31, 2017, 10:38:00 pm
in
1 point fire.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on January 31, 2017, 10:40:49 pm
Rock, Steel, Water, Fighting, and Grass were the finalists last time.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Zyardran on January 31, 2017, 10:54:51 pm
Perhaps I should add my showdown ign too.

Zyardran
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: dawn to dusk on February 01, 2017, 09:14:51 am
Sure (so bad at this though haha...)
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on February 01, 2017, 11:34:34 am
sure, though i'm very rusty
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on February 03, 2017, 07:01:09 pm
It has come to my attention that the ban last has shifted a little since the new pokemans came out, so lots of pokemon have been down tiers and are getting pushed back up slowly. A list will be posted shortly of pokemon that have had their tier adjusted for the purpose of this event.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: dawn to dusk on February 04, 2017, 12:03:42 am
If we're using gen 6, there's no problem since gen 6 isn't affected by gen 7's meta

Assuming gen 6 because the link in the OP directed to gen 6 tier list

Furthermore, gen 7 tier lists (UU, RU and under) haven't been finalised on Showdown yet either

EDIT: March: RU Beta starts from February's UU stats (Relevant)
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on February 05, 2017, 08:56:44 pm
PLEASE NOTE: we will be using gen 6 tier list, as gen 7 is too unstable to merit use right. Next event will likey be stable enough to allow gen 7 use. This means the alternate forms of pokemon are banned (from the gen 7 region, IE sandslash and vulpix)
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: dracomageat on February 05, 2017, 09:05:38 pm
My username is BlackKoromon and I would like to join.
PMing you now.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on February 05, 2017, 09:41:23 pm
Please PM me your bids ASAP. timer may be extended if we don't grt enough people (I'd like at least 10) but we'll cross that bridge when we get there
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Zawadx on February 06, 2017, 11:49:12 am
In. IGN is Zawadx
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Submachine on February 07, 2017, 01:27:19 pm
@kdz: How is the bidding going?

Time is up!
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Coffeeditto on February 08, 2017, 12:03:09 am
In as Coffeeditto.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: mathman101 on February 08, 2017, 12:04:14 am
kdz said it would be good for me :P , so in
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: godisnowonline on February 08, 2017, 12:09:47 am
In as Gino
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on February 08, 2017, 12:12:54 am
So some of you havent sent in your bids yet, keep in mind without an official bid set, you will be randomize with 0 in everything, in the order you signed up. (First in first randomized) I'll randomize myself last.

So i'll get dinner, this is your last chance to send in bids.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on February 08, 2017, 12:21:40 am
http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/formats/ou/

^ these are the standard OU clauses and rules for battle/teambuilding
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on February 08, 2017, 04:33:45 am
Host post has a list of the matches, It will be updated (but not changed) to look fancier, but I'd rather give you all your information ASAP. You have a full week to play, if extensions are needed they will be given.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: CactusKing on February 08, 2017, 04:57:04 am
Is it too late to join?
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on February 08, 2017, 05:08:33 am
Youre a bit late, but no one has play a match, so I can reroll the matches, if you are okay with accepting an RNGed type (Since it wouldnt really be fair to have you bid after everyone else, and an RNG bid would have only taken place just before mine)
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: CactusKing on February 08, 2017, 05:19:47 am
That would be great! I love showdown but my friends haven't been playing much lately so i'll take whatever chance there is.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on February 08, 2017, 05:22:59 am
Matches updated! New player was added, Cactus is grass!
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: CactusKing on February 08, 2017, 05:29:29 am
Are they single or double battles?
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on February 08, 2017, 05:30:40 am
Single, using OU rules (linked in the host post)
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Submachine on February 08, 2017, 03:03:34 pm
Teambuilding
Each OU or BL Pokemon costs 2 points, and each UU Pokemon costs 1 point. Ubers and Limbo Pokemon are banned. Pokemon of the remaining tiers may be used with no restriction.

http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/formats/ou/ [Costs 2]
BL Pokemon count for 2 points, same as OU. BL2, BL3, etc. can be used without restriction.
Here's a little help to avoid accidently building an illegal team in case anyone was looking for it.

Gen VI BL: [Costs 2]
http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/formats/bl/

Gen VI UU: [Costs 1]
http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/formats/uu/

Gen VI Uber: [Banned]
http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/formats/uber/
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Ginyu on February 08, 2017, 04:53:13 pm
Have fun, anyone! Cannot believe my beloved 2nd place Fighting type did not see any bids, though. :P
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on February 08, 2017, 06:14:45 pm
Have fun, anyone! Cannot believe my beloved 2nd place Fighting type did not see any bids, though. :P

quite a few people opted for random types

Teambuilding
Each OU or BL Pokemon costs 2 points, and each UU Pokemon costs 1 point. Ubers and Limbo Pokemon are banned. Pokemon of the remaining tiers may be used with no restriction.

http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/formats/ou/ [Costs 2]
BL Pokemon count for 2 points, same as OU. BL2, BL3, etc. can be used without restriction.
Here's a little help to avoid accidently building an illegal team in case anyone was looking for it.

Gen VI BL: [Costs 2]
http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/formats/bl/

Gen VI UU: [Costs 1]
http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/formats/uu/

Gen VI Uber: [Banned]
http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/formats/uber/

Thank you sub, that is very helpful.

Keep in mind there are some other lesser tiers as well (in case you need to use a NU or a RU) So always always always check the other lists.

If a pokemon is marked with uber, or limbo, you 100% cannot use it, and if it isnt marked with an OU, BL, or UU, it will cost 0 points. I encourage people to send me their teams if they are unsure on the legality, and I can give them a once over.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Coffeeditto on February 08, 2017, 10:44:39 pm
Coffeeditto 0-3 Godisnowonline

freaking icicles
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: MyNameIsJoey on February 09, 2017, 12:40:40 am
ji412jo 3 - 0 Zyardran
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on February 09, 2017, 01:02:12 am
Some quick notes for matches, since things are being missed
1: You play THREE GAMES TOTAL. All report games should have 3 games played
2: You MUST have FOUR pokemon of your given Type, the other two are wild cards.
3: You may change your team in between matches.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on February 09, 2017, 02:18:21 am
Pokemon with Abilities banned in UU (Shadowtag, Drizzle, and Drought)  Are going to be listed as UU for the purpose of point value
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: dawn to dusk on February 09, 2017, 02:21:49 am
http://www.smogon.com/xyhub/tiers (http://www.smogon.com/xyhub/tiers) Is outdated, as it doesn't record Shadow Tag change to Ubers
That's the only change I think there is though
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Coffeeditto on February 09, 2017, 07:41:17 pm
Coffeeditto 3-0 Zyardran
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: MyNameIsJoey on February 10, 2017, 01:07:07 am
ji412jo 1 -2 RNGino
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Coffeeditto on February 10, 2017, 02:27:44 am
Coffeeditto 3-0 dracomageat
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: godisnowonline on February 10, 2017, 02:46:20 am
godisnowonline 3-0 dracomageat
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: dawn to dusk on February 10, 2017, 04:57:45 am
dawn to dusk 3 - 0 mathman101

ggs!
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Submachine on February 10, 2017, 05:32:23 pm
Submachine [Steel] - 3
dracomageat [Rock] - 0

Thanks for the early games!
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: dawn to dusk on February 11, 2017, 01:43:15 am
dawn to dusk 2 - 1 CactusKing
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: CactusKing on February 11, 2017, 02:25:13 am
CactusKing 3-0 Zyardran
gg
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on February 12, 2017, 09:48:56 pm
JonathanCrazyJ: 2
Submachine: 1

amazing games. He did bloody well considering basic type advantage
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Submachine on February 12, 2017, 10:44:45 pm
@mathman101: I've sent you a PM about this, but the best time based on our schedules seems to be GMT 17-22.

If someone sees math in chat, please bring this to his attention. Thank you! ^^

@Zawadx: We also need to find a good, common time before time runs out.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on February 13, 2017, 01:48:19 am
Three things to note
1. My interent is very limited
2. So is gino
3. The timer is not a "do it or die" thing. I'd like to keep things hastened but that's not a huge priority, as I've said extentions will be given freely and openly. No sense in forfeiting a fun friendly game ^^ the original even offers three full weeks, consider that your ceiling for extensions
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: CactusKing on February 13, 2017, 05:08:28 am
I agree with the idea of extending the tournament to allow for people with poor internet, or those in very different :time zones from their opponents (like me and ji412jo for example). But if this is going to be the first round of many then 3 more weeks might be a little excessive
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on February 13, 2017, 05:11:41 am
This is usually a 3 round max tournament, but honestly, it doesn't /have/ to be a tournament. After this game series is done we could move onto a league format like BL or CL (though, it would have to refresh monthly to allow new types) Really, im not sure how I want this to proceed (after this tournemnt), if anyone has any ideas I welcome them
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Submachine on February 13, 2017, 01:22:14 pm
Three things to note
1. My interent is very limited
2. So is gino
Interest or internet? If people don't participate because of low interest, I don't think we should wait for them. If it's about limited internet, what form of limit are we talking about? Do you mean laggy internet that doesn't load Pokemon Showdown or that you can only access good internet at specific times? If it's the first, then what good can waiting do anyway, and if it's the latter, it's all a matter of finding a good time for both players.

3. The timer is not a "do it or die" thing. I'd like to keep things hastened but that's not a huge priority, as I've said extentions will be given freely and openly. No sense in forfeiting a fun friendly game ^^ the original even offers three full weeks, consider that your ceiling for extensions
If my memory serves right, the original event died because of extensions. It's not fun and not a game if nothing is happening and it makes people lose interest.

About full week extensions, the only reason we should do that is if someone is only available at a certain time of every week, but they had something scheduled for that part of the week already. For these players, they need to cram 4 duels + teambuilding time into that time of the week, every week. That might be impossible to do, unless an unreasonable time would be given, which would be unfair for everyone else.

I agree with the idea of extending the tournament to allow for people with poor internet, or those in very different :time zones from their opponents (like me and ji412jo for example). But if this is going to be the first round of many then 3 more weeks might be a little excessive
Indeed 3 weeks is insanely long for a single round. That almost guarantees a dying event. I'd say 3 days maximum is bearable, 4-7 days comes with mild interest loss and anything beyond that is death.

This is usually a 3 round max tournament, but honestly, it doesn't /have/ to be a tournament. After this game series is done we could move onto a league format like BL or CL (though, it would have to refresh monthly to allow new types) Really, im not sure how I want this to proceed (after this tournemnt), if anyone has any ideas I welcome them
Considering what the goal is, there's an idea. We don't need to cut everything into rounds, because in the end, everyone has to duel everyone anyways. If we are allowed to challenge any player at any time, we can maximize efficiency and we only require one, final deadline, which can be given flexible extensions if needed. We should still keep "rounds" as an index of who should we challenge next and as a reminder that we should duel them if we see them online. (Players can easily forget who else is playing)

Another advantage of this would be that players wouldn’t need to duel everyone. Just like in Pokémon, if you wanna be the very best, you win more if you duel more. You don’t have to, but in the end, people with more wins get more points. People who didn't play enough games probably won't place high, but at least they were given the opportunity to play against everyone.

Alternatively, keep the rounds and stick to deadlines, BUT for those players who failed to finish their matches, let them carry their matches to the next rounds, essentially stacking responsibilities for later. This would keep the games flowing and also allow for some flexibility.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Submachine on February 13, 2017, 07:57:28 pm
Submachine [Steel] - 2
Zawadx [Fairy] - 1

He had a really great team all 3 times.
Second game I was cornered into a forfeit.
Third game I made probably the greatest comeback ever.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Zawadx on February 14, 2017, 12:01:56 pm
Zawadx: 3
Coffeeditto: 0

Very hard to get around the crippling type advantage. Good games!
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Zawadx on February 14, 2017, 01:37:40 pm
Zawadx: 3
Jonathancrazyj: 0

Really fun and close games.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: godisnowonline on February 16, 2017, 04:15:38 pm
My internet is down at home until i have 250$ to pay my bill so i can get my service back, that is why my match with zyardran is not in yet. Currently when i tried to play our game she forfeited, but i don't like taking a 3-0 against a type advantage and especially not when its my internet thats the problem.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Submachine on February 16, 2017, 06:14:42 pm
Bump. Also words. Timer is over, so I'd like to hear something about a new round or a new deadline.

Three things to note
1. My interent is very limited
2. So is gino
Interest or internet? If people don't participate because of low interest, I don't think we should wait for them. If it's about limited internet, what form of limit are we talking about? Do you mean laggy internet that doesn't load Pokemon Showdown or that you can only access good internet at specific times? If it's the first, then what good can waiting do anyway, and if it's the latter, it's all a matter of finding a good time for both players.

3. The timer is not a "do it or die" thing. I'd like to keep things hastened but that's not a huge priority, as I've said extentions will be given freely and openly. No sense in forfeiting a fun friendly game ^^ the original even offers three full weeks, consider that your ceiling for extensions
If my memory serves right, the original event died because of extensions. It's not fun and not a game if nothing is happening and it makes people lose interest.

About full week extensions, the only reason we should do that is if someone is only available at a certain time of every week, but they had something scheduled for that part of the week already. For these players, they need to cram 4 duels + teambuilding time into that time of the week, every week. That might be impossible to do, unless an unreasonable time would be given, which would be unfair for everyone else.

I agree with the idea of extending the tournament to allow for people with poor internet, or those in very different :time zones from their opponents (like me and ji412jo for example). But if this is going to be the first round of many then 3 more weeks might be a little excessive
Indeed 3 weeks is insanely long for a single round. That almost guarantees a dying event. I'd say 3 days maximum is bearable, 4-7 days comes with mild interest loss and anything beyond that is death.

This is usually a 3 round max tournament, but honestly, it doesn't /have/ to be a tournament. After this game series is done we could move onto a league format like BL or CL (though, it would have to refresh monthly to allow new types) Really, im not sure how I want this to proceed (after this tournemnt), if anyone has any ideas I welcome them
Considering what the goal is, there's an idea. We don't need to cut everything into rounds, because in the end, everyone has to duel everyone anyways. If we are allowed to challenge any player at any time, we can maximize efficiency and we only require one, final deadline, which can be given flexible extensions if needed. We should still keep "rounds" as an index of who should we challenge next and as a reminder that we should duel them if we see them online. (Players can easily forget who else is playing)

Another advantage of this would be that players wouldn’t need to duel everyone. Just like in Pokémon, if you wanna be the very best, you win more if you duel more. You don’t have to, but in the end, people with more wins get more points. People who didn't play enough games probably won't place high, but at least they were given the opportunity to play against everyone.

Alternatively, keep the rounds and stick to deadlines, BUT for those players who failed to finish their matches, let them carry their matches to the next rounds, essentially stacking responsibilities for later. This would keep the games flowing and also allow for some flexibility.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Zawadx on February 17, 2017, 02:52:44 am
Zawadx: 3
dracomageat: 0

Really fun games.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on February 17, 2017, 03:04:07 am
I have internet again.

I'll get in contact with gino to assess his timing on internet

i'll give an extension of up to 7 days, but beyond that it would have to be a hard and fast cut off

I have read your ideas a bit sub, I think in a future iteration they may find form, but rightn ow i dont want to alter the event mid session.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Zawadx on February 17, 2017, 04:33:50 am
I made an unofficial spreadsheet (by copying Root's one) for this:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H6yLZotJ7OOrt88Mavk6RlH-eOTFiP7wo2fUD7UKZgw/edit?usp=sharing

Matches still left:
Submachine vs mathman101
JCJ vs mathman101
kdz vs mathman101
kdz vs JCJ
kdz vs D2D
kdz vs Solaris
Solaris vs D2D
Solaris vs CactusKing
Solaris vs ji412jo
Cactusking vs ji412jo
gino vs Zyardran

Hurry up so that I can get easy measures for the pretty WWPs, please!
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on February 17, 2017, 06:38:40 am
Killsdazombies: 2
D2d: 1
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on February 17, 2017, 10:01:15 pm
JonathanCrazyJ: 2
killsdazombies: 1

ggs!
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: MyNameIsJoey on February 18, 2017, 12:33:45 am
ji412jo 2 - 1 CactusKing

meh, shoulda been 3-0
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Submachine on February 18, 2017, 07:42:03 pm
Submachine [Steel] - 3
mathman101 [Ghost] - 0

All my games for Round 1 are played. Ggs! ^^
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on February 22, 2017, 02:05:07 am
JonathanCrazyJ: 2
mathman101: 1

ggs!
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: mathman101 on February 22, 2017, 02:12:03 am
mathman101 - 2
killsdazombies - 1

ggs

Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: MyNameIsJoey on February 23, 2017, 10:50:27 pm
ji412jo - 3
Solaris - 0
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Solaris on February 24, 2017, 10:26:18 pm
Solaris - 2
killsdazombies - 1

Helps when I set my team properly
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on February 24, 2017, 11:16:05 pm
Alright so round 2 can begin whenever players are ready. The final round will include Submachine, gino, Zawadx, ji412jo and an undecided slot between D2d and cactus and solaris. Each player will be facing all other players in that round. Same rules as before apply, best of luck.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Submachine on February 26, 2017, 08:43:19 pm
Zawadx and I already battled. Should we skip each other or do a second round?
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on February 26, 2017, 09:21:18 pm
New round so yes, you still have to battle again
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Submachine on February 27, 2017, 09:43:05 pm
It seems to be a bad idea to have any phase without a deadline. I received no advances for a Round 2 duel so far, and without a dealine to push everything forward, I don't think this would change.

Where is the hard and fast cut off? :P

i'll give an extension of up to 7 days, but beyond that it would have to be a hard and fast cut off
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: CactusKing on February 28, 2017, 09:38:21 am
Do d2d, sol and I need to battle or something to decide who goes to the next round or is it being organised by someone else?
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on February 28, 2017, 06:20:22 pm
No you three are the only three left to battle.

@sub, yes I am aware, sadly a spike in work caused some time issues, and an issue of fairness takes over here. Trying to determine who should go through. A solution will be posted today, timer added, and final participant selected.

Heres my thought process, Solaris I feel should be out right away, I know he had some internet issues that lessened his ability to play, despite being active

That leaves d2d and cactus, who both already played (with a d2d win)

D2d is also leading in win%.

It is because of these two factors, that I'm inclined to give the final slot to d2d. If only one of those was in his favour, I would likely have called a rematch, however that is not the case. If there is objection to this i'll hear it out in PMs
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: CactusKing on March 01, 2017, 07:08:13 am
I'd still like to play but your judgement seems pretty fair so I won't object. If for some reason one of the players drops out i'll be happy to act as a substitute though!
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on March 01, 2017, 05:50:15 pm
Round timer posted, 7 days and some hours in change
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Solaris on March 02, 2017, 09:07:28 am
That's fine.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: dawn to dusk on March 04, 2017, 07:25:08 am
dawn to dusk 3 - 0 Zawadx

ggs!
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: MyNameIsJoey on March 04, 2017, 05:42:37 pm
ji412jo 1 - 2 RNGmachine
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: MyNameIsJoey on March 05, 2017, 01:41:13 pm
ji412jo  2 - 1 Zawadx
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Zawadx on March 05, 2017, 01:51:28 pm
btw, that gino vs Zya game never happened. Will you just be ignoring that to determine results?
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on March 05, 2017, 05:13:43 pm
Zya conceded, but even if it did matter it would not affect the results of the finals.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Submachine on March 05, 2017, 10:00:12 pm
I'd just like to put this here, that godis and I arranged a game for today, but he's 3 hours late already.


Next day (don't wanna double post):

Submachine [Steel]: 3
Zawadx [Fairy]: 0
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: dawn to dusk on March 11, 2017, 01:11:56 am
dawn to dusk 3 - 0 ji412jo

Ggs
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Submachine on March 14, 2017, 01:23:31 am
Submachine [Steel]: 2
dawn to dusk [Water]: 1

He had a very impressive team. Could have easily gone 1-2.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: dawn to dusk on March 17, 2017, 05:49:27 am
dawn to dusk 3 - 0 godisnowonine
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Submachine on April 04, 2017, 05:23:23 pm
The last update was quite a while ago. Can we consider the event finished?
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on April 04, 2017, 10:44:36 pm
Yeah, my ability to host has rapidly dwindled, if one, or even more people want to take up hosting and make a new thread, I'll still volenteer as the designated random and role the dice for everyone.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on April 04, 2017, 10:45:01 pm
I'll do a final update and rip
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Submachine on April 09, 2017, 08:57:27 am
I did some math and currently it's a tie for first place between Dawn and I with 19 victories total if we count opponent forfeits as 3-0 games for both of us.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 09, 2017, 09:05:59 am
I did some math and currently it's a tie for first place between Dawn and I with 19 victories total if we count opponent forfeits as 3-0 games for both of us.
Wait that's how it's scored? I thought R2 had separate scoring than R1
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 09, 2017, 12:27:21 pm
I actually don't know. I just counted the victories.

Should be separate, as people are already penalized enough by drawing harder opponents in round 1
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Submachine on April 09, 2017, 03:02:19 pm
If we only look at Round Two, Dawn and I would still tie with 10 victories under the same conditions. Is there any weighing to do with the victories earned from losses?
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on April 09, 2017, 04:44:24 pm
Dawn 10-2
Submachine 7-2
Ji 3-6
Zawa 1-8
Gino 0-3

Given the current system, Dawn would win, if the last Sub game had been played, there was the potential for a tie, which would be decided by Decided either by the sub V d2d match results (sub win) Or a rematch if we assume gino just 3/0 forfeit (Since winning off a straight forfeit is a little sketchy, though this would have been up for debate/conversation)

As you can see, I'm not up for hosting again, I'd love to play and I'd be happy to post a bracket/roll for types since I want to random anyway, but I dont have the means to host, as almost all of my posts as of late are via mobile.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Submachine on April 09, 2017, 06:21:41 pm
Well then. Congratz, Dawn! :)

If this means we can post match videos now, I'll just do that. Some crazy stuff happened that's worth sharing.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: dawn to dusk on February 28, 2019, 03:33:47 am
Gen 8 is announced, and the last tournament didn't have gen 7 in it, would we like a Gen 7 Tournament to come soon? War is starting to close a little, and we can hold off on starting for a few weeks, until the last few rounds, but if there's any interest in this, feel free to post

Note: It works on mobile if that influences anyone
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Submachine on February 28, 2019, 07:04:40 am
In.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: shockcannon on February 28, 2019, 08:45:05 am
I almost strictly only play little cup. If you guys ever do little cup tournament I'll definitely join. Otherwise I'll need to give it more thought.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: mathman101 on February 28, 2019, 10:48:23 pm
I know I would most likely lose again, but I`m up for trying again if there is enough interest.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: killsdazombies on March 05, 2019, 11:13:07 pm
I was just checking back here for a bit for old times sake, but i wanna bump this because pokemon showdown was SUPER fun, and I highly enjoyed it. Though, I will say I always found the tournament style to be both difficult, and a little tedious. It would be much better to approach this as if it was a League thing here. I dont think its worth it to calculate rank until more interest is shown, but competitve pokemon is really enjoyable once you get the groundwork down.

That being said, I will warn that there is a huge difference between playing pokemon and playing competitive pokemon. It would be cool if someone more experienced then me would give a rundown and advice.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: dawn to dusk on March 06, 2019, 12:49:55 am
Not sure if I fit but I've peaked around 1600-1650 elo on ladder so I can attempt to help

Teambuilding doesn't matter if you can't play the game well, and the best way to get out of this is to use pre-existing teams.
https://pokepast.es/4893ca4e44de2326 (https://pokepast.es/4893ca4e44de2326)
Very simple team, get rain, keep rain, use it to sweep. Hurricane has 100% accuracy in rain, and Fire attacks are weakened, making Magearna a fearsome late game sweeper. Try to make sure Pelipper doesn't die, and yeah.

https://pokepast.es/effbe6e1a2b1c413 (https://pokepast.es/effbe6e1a2b1c413)
This type of team generally features defensive pokemon that you can switch into so your threats don't die. Then, while everything gets chipped, your fast, hard hitting thing comes in and wins. Or your other thing gets stats from setup moves and wins the game that way.

For the most part, don't change the teams yet, get to know the game a bit better, then you can try to make your own team. PM me if you ever need advice

Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: shockcannon on March 06, 2019, 01:00:32 am
Alternatively, if you hate math and numbers try out Little Cup.
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/little-cup-beginners-guide.3591894/

All stat numbers rarely go above 20. This makes it really easy to calculate mid-fight how much damage you'e going to do to a pokemon if you care about calculating that stuff. EVs only increase stat points by a couple numbers so you don't have to worry as much about how many out of the 255 EVs to put into each stat. Items are pretty straightforward and with most of the meta pokemon you're running the same standard items. Stalling is less effective so you don't have to worry about running into long boring matches all the time (although if you like stalling you can make it work). Lastly, the pokemon are a lot cuter and you get to play iconic pokemon like Meowth. Heck, even magikarp is lowkey viable (except not really).

I can tell you a lot of stuff about little cup meta if you want. Some of those tips are translatable to other formats too.
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: CactusKing on March 06, 2019, 01:06:12 am
Someone ping me on discord if this is going to happen please
Title: Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2
Post by: Submachine on March 06, 2019, 08:05:11 am
Just putting this here to raise attention:

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/pcvideo-games/pokemon-showdown-gen-7-tournament-part-3/
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