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Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2 http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64079.msg1256375#msg1256375
« on: January 31, 2017, 10:19:34 PM »
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/pcvideo-games/pokemon-showdown-type-tournament/ The original by RR


Overview
Pokemon Showdown is a simulator for playing competitive Pokemon games. If you have not tried competitive Pokemon before, I would certainly recommend it, because it involves a high degree of strategy and originality. For this tournament, players will have a Type, and they will be required to use at least 4 Pokemon of their Type. We will be using Smogon's tier list. Feel free to post any questions or concerns in this thread.

Sign-ups
To sign up, post in this thread, and include your Pokemon Showdown name if it differs from your forum name. Then, send a private message to killsdazombies with your bids. The bidding process is explained below.

Bids
Players are given 12 "points," which will be explained in the following section. Players may bid on the 18 Types, with each bid ranging from 0 to 12. Types will be given to the players who bid the highest on them, on the condition that players are only given one type. Thus, a player is guaranteed a Type even if all of their bids are 0. Ties will be settled through RNG. A bidding template is below, and it would be filled with numbers from 0 to 12.
Spoiler for Hidden:
Bug -
Dark -
Dragon -
Electric -
Fairy -
Fighting -
Fire -
Flying -
Ghost -
Grass -
Ground -
Ice -
Normal -
Poison -
Psychic -
Rock -
Steel -
Water -

Teambuilding
Once the bidding ends, players are given their Type, as well as their number of points, which is equal to 12 minus their winning bid. For instance, a player who bid 5 points on their Type would have 7 points remaining. In each team, players must use at least 4 Pokemon of their type. The tiers they are allowed to use depend on their remaining number of points. Each OU or BL Pokemon costs 2 points, and each UU Pokemon costs 1 point. Ubers and Limbo Pokemon are banned. Pokemon of the remaining tiers may be used with no restriction. For example, a player with 7 points could use 2 OU Pokemon, 3 UU Pokemon, and 1 RU Pokemon (2*2+3*1+0=7). Players are not required to use all of their points. Players are allowed to use a different team each game, as long as their team follows the rules. A Pokemon with a Mega Evolution item is considered in-type if it's regular OR mega evolution is in-type.
http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/formats/ou/
BL Pokemon count for 2 points, same as OU. BL2, BL3, etc. can be used without restriction.


Pairings and Elimination
For Phase 1, players be randomly ordered for the purposes of matchmaking. Each player will play against the two players "above" them and the two players "below" them, for a total of four matches. For example, Player 6 would be matched against Players 4, 5, 7, and 8. Each match consists of a total of three games. After Phase 1, which lasts three weeks, players are ranked according to Weighted Win Percentage (WWP). The top 5 players move on to Phase 2, which is round-robin. As with the previous phase, Phase 2 lasts 3 weeks and the matches consist of three games. The winner of the event is the player with the highest overall WWP, with all 24 games being taken into consideration.
Spoiler for Weighted Win Percentage:
Each Win is multiplied by a Weighting Factor of (0.5+OpponentWinPercentage). Each Loss is multiplied by a Weighting Factor of (1.5-OpponentWinPercentage). The WWP is calculated as Weighted Wins divided by (Weighted Wins + Weighted Losses). For example, if a player had 6 wins and 6 losses, all of which were against opponents with 9 wins and 3 losses each, their WWP would be (6*(0.5+0.75))/(6*(0.5+0.75)+6*(1.5-0.75))=0.625. If a player had 9 wins and 3 losses, and their 9 wins were against players with 6 wins and 6 losses while their 3 losses were against players with 12 wins and 0 losses, their WWP would be (9*(0.5+0.5))/(9*(0.5+0.5)+3*(1.5-1))=0.857. As you can see, strength of schedule is important but not overvalued. Furthermore, the calculation can be verified fairly easily.

Comments
The reason for the bidding method is to ensure variety and fairness. If we let multiple people choose the same Type, there will be little variety. If we have a first-come-first-serve system, there will be little fairness. The reason for this system of Pairings and Elimination is so that players will have a sufficient amount of matches before there are any eliminations. There is no championship game, as it would potentially be unfair if there is a type advantage.

I will be signing up, but with 0 in all bets

Sign-ups
killsdazombies
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Submachine
Solaris
ji412jo
dawn to dusk
JonathanCrazyJ
dracomageat
Zawadx
Coffeeditto
Mathman101
Godisnowonline
Killsdazombies
18 Players Max

Additional notes
After this game is over, if we have a large enough community for it, I'd like to set up a gym/challenger system. Though, this seems unlikely, and there was opposition to it before (because of our size of interest)  its still an idea I want to discuss. Failing that, this game can be rerun several times. Others may host if they want, though it doesn't mean much.

The Number next to a name indicates how many points they have SPENT on their bidding. Math, in this instance, has 8 to spend, Disco (or zyardran) has 5.

You will battle the two people above you and below you (consider it a circle, Godisnowonline will fight coffeeditto and dracomageat, as well as zyardran and ji412jo)

ROUND 1

Godisnowonline: ice (3)
Coffeeditto: Dragon (0)
Dracomageat: Rock (3)
Zawadx: Fairy (0)
Submachine: Steel (4)
JonathanCrazyJ: Ground (2)
Mathman101: Ghost (4)
Killsdazombies: Bug (0)
dawn to dusk: Water (4)
Solaris: Psychic (0)
Cactusking: Grass (0)
Ji412jo: Poison (0)
Zyardran: Fire (7)

Round 2!

Submachine
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Ji412jo
Zawadx
dawn to Dusk
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Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2 http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64079.msg1256376#msg1256376
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Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2 http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64079.msg1256377#msg1256377
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2017, 10:34:59 PM »
Which type was the winner for the first one?

Also, in I guess.

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Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2 http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64079.msg1256378#msg1256378
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2017, 10:36:22 PM »
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Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2 http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64079.msg1256380#msg1256380
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2017, 10:40:49 PM »
Rock, Steel, Water, Fighting, and Grass were the finalists last time.

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Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2 http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64079.msg1256381#msg1256381
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2017, 10:54:51 PM »
Perhaps I should add my showdown ign too.

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Sure (so bad at this though haha...)

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Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2 http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64079.msg1256406#msg1256406
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Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2 http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64079.msg1256501#msg1256501
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2017, 07:01:09 PM »
It has come to my attention that the ban last has shifted a little since the new pokemans came out, so lots of pokemon have been down tiers and are getting pushed back up slowly. A list will be posted shortly of pokemon that have had their tier adjusted for the purpose of this event.

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Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2 http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64079.msg1256511#msg1256511
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2017, 12:03:42 AM »
If we're using gen 6, there's no problem since gen 6 isn't affected by gen 7's meta

Assuming gen 6 because the link in the OP directed to gen 6 tier list

Furthermore, gen 7 tier lists (UU, RU and under) haven't been finalised on Showdown yet either

EDIT: March: RU Beta starts from February's UU stats (Relevant)
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Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament Part 2 http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64079.msg1256570#msg1256570
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2017, 08:56:44 PM »
PLEASE NOTE: we will be using gen 6 tier list, as gen 7 is too unstable to merit use right. Next event will likey be stable enough to allow gen 7 use. This means the alternate forms of pokemon are banned (from the gen 7 region, IE sandslash and vulpix)

 

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