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Re: Zanzarino (Lead Developer) speaks about new features http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17265.msg481511#msg481511
« Reply #264 on: April 15, 2012, 02:14:42 PM »
I just want to play with cards i like...that's all i want.

If that were true, then you wouldn't be complaining that now you don't win as often as you used to.  You obviously care about winning.

Make whatever deck you want, but if you want to earn  :electrum, then you're much better off doing it in the Arena than you are playing against AI4.  The maximum you can get against AI4 is 55 :electrum (40 for EM, +5 for matching 2 on each spin), plus maybe winning a card.  Against Gold league the maximum you can win is 349 :electrum (334 for EM, +5 for matching 2 on each spin), with the same chance of winning a card as AI4 and a further chance at winning a rare, upgraded card if you win 3 matches in a row.  That's more than 6 times as much, just in the base score.

This is just friendly advice, it's entirely up to you whether you give up on the game entirely.  It just seems a little silly to me.

Incidentally, I'm 37 and can cope with change just fine.

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Re: Zanzarino (Lead Developer) speaks about new features http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17265.msg481512#msg481512
« Reply #265 on: April 15, 2012, 02:28:37 PM »
Bonjour ,

tu connais quelqu'un qui joue pour perdre ?

On joue pour gagner ou pour évoluer sans forcément cherche le gain à tout prix. Passer de 7 victoire sur 10 à 1/2 , en soi c'est agaçant. Je ne dis rien de plus. Peut m'importe de perdre ou de gagner tant que les défaites ne soient pas sytématiques. Je ne suis pas là pour faire plaisir à un algorithme mais pour me détendre 30 minutes dans ma journée de boulot surbookée.

On demande les avis des joueurs  je donne le mien sans chercher à apitoyer qui que ce soit. Mais si le développeur veut que son jeu marche (et donc qu'il en retire des revenus - ce que je lui souhaite) il vaut mieux éviter les changements radicaux. Ca sert à ca les phases de Béta testing.
Ce qui a été modifié hier n'est pas un simple changement c'est tout l'algorithme de l'IA. Je ne joue plus au même jeu. Le comportement de l'IA est différent (pas complètement, j'en conviens mais suffisant pour te faire perdre tes repères). C'est mon point de vue.
 
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Dear ElementalDearWatson

I do not run after  :electrum and i'm not complaining. The problem is not losing but losing all the time. Not for money, i don't care honestly. It's just annoying to lose all the time because the AI has changed. you know someone who plays to lose?  I'm not here to please but an algorithm to relax 30 minutes in my day job overbooked.

I give my opinion, my point of view. That's all.
I said, it's not very important. I dislike changes because , at my mind this game is not a "Beta game".


"The maximum you can get against AI4 is 55 :electrum (40 for EM, +5 for matching 2 on each spin)"

No it's 80 :electrum with entire life (100 HP) + 5 for matching spin (90  :electrum max) for level 4
you should play level 4 ;)

"This is just friendly advice, it's entirely up to you whether you give up on the game entirely.  It just seems a little silly to me."

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have a nice day and Kindest regards


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Re: Zanzarino (Lead Developer) speaks about new features http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17265.msg481522#msg481522
« Reply #266 on: April 15, 2012, 03:33:54 PM »
I do not run after  :electrum

You said that the only reason you played AI4 was to win  :electrum.  So why not play Gold League and win even more?

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The problem is not losing but losing all the time.

You said you won 50% of the time.

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I said, it's not very important. I dislike changes because , at my mind this game is not a "Beta game".

No it's not.  What it is is Elements V1.30.  Give it time and it'll be Elements V1.31.  It'll keep having new cards added, it'll keep having things like the upcoming Trial added, and it'll keep having improvements to the AI. 

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No it's 80 :electrum with entire life (100 HP) + 5 for matching spin (90  :electrum max) for level 4
you should play level 4 ;)

You're right, my mistake. I was looking at the wrong part of the screen.  Gold League is still more than 3 times as profitable.

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Re: Zanzarino (Lead Developer) speaks about new features http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17265.msg481556#msg481556
« Reply #267 on: April 15, 2012, 04:37:38 PM »
I do not run after  :electrum and i'm not complaining. The problem is not losing but losing all the time. Not for money, i don't care honestly. It's just annoying to lose all the time because the AI has changed. you know someone who plays to lose?  I'm not here to please but an algorithm to relax 30 minutes in my day job overbooked.
The goal of the AI is to be an intelligent opponent.
The goal of the False Gods is to have intelligent opponents with upgraded decks that Cheat (so their defeat is sweeter and more challenging).
The goal of the Half Bloods is to be weaker False Gods. They are intended to be intellegent and cheat but be worse at deck building and have a mix of unupped and upgraded cards.

You do not care about electrum and you do care about winning. You should choose a level of opponent that gives you your desired win rate even if it is at a lower electrum rate. I would suggest trying Arena and AI 3.
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