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Re: New False God: Osiris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5182.msg52959#msg52959
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2010, 12:42:04 am »
(http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/osiris22scarab.bmp)

Craziest game I have ever played.  Osiris' rush of pharaohs pretty much ignored two firestorms and an early quint/oty.  I just couldn't eat the pharaohs fast enough.  An early gambit cost me my fallen druid, but he got a couple mutants out that saved my life, for a little bit.  I miracled at 14 life and thank goodness for Permafrost Shield.  I didn't draw a second quint until around 10 cards left in my deck.  I was bouncing his biggest scarabs every turn with eternity, but my oty could only eat every other turn because of his turtle shell.  Most of the game I was looking at what you see in the screenshot.  A field full of scarabs.  When I got down to 5 cards, I put antimatter on his biggest scarab left, making it -5, and started bouncing the skeletons produced by my oty after eating pharaohs.  Once the pharaohs were gone our life was about even, I had gotten a second quint/oty, and because of the turtule shell they were available on alternating turns.  I played the skelletons I had bounced earlier and fed them to my otys, keeping the board clear so that his scarabs couldn't eat anything.  His scarabs were doing about 10 to 15 damage to me through the perm shield, but I was healing 4 from the bonds and 5 from his -5 scarab.  I was only dealing 14 damage every 2 turns, so on average, he was hitting me for about 6 per turn, and I was hitting him for 7, but I had less life and it looked like it was game over for me, but after I dropped the quint/Elite queen, the Osirus went precognition happy and drew a boatload of cards.  I looked up at his cardstack and saw, 3 cards left.

I would like to think that I would have won even if he hadn't drawn out, but I'm not sure.  I would have been at the mercy of the Permafrost Shield, and just one round where it didn't freeze enough scarabs would have tipped the scales in his favor. 

This game kept me on the edge of my seat, but it revealed a weakness in osiris.  Permafrost shield pwns him.  If you keep food away from the scarabs, they only deal 1 damage through the shield and (if the math I've read on other threads is correct) it averages out to about 0.5 damage per scarab, so call it 10 or so damage even when he has a full board.  I do believe that my strategy against him will always be permafrost shield + 2 quint/oty + bounce my skellies so he can't eat.  If I had used that strategy from the start of the game, instead of allowing him to eat my skelletons, then I would have beat him no problem.


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Re: New False God: Osiris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5182.msg52965#msg52965
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2010, 12:45:46 am »
So much for a pharaoh farm, 5 wins, not one pharaoh.

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Re: New False God: Osiris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5182.msg52992#msg52992
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2010, 01:45:26 am »
I have played 30 fg matches and haven't played him yet.

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Re: New False God: Osiris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5182.msg52996#msg52996
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2010, 02:03:19 am »
I saw my friend getting owned by the new gods, so I did not dare fighting FG for 3 days. I see not all the new gods are that crazed then, but I will probably need more quints in my deck now that these new gods are so heavy on creature control.

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Re: New False God: Osiris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5182.msg53041#msg53041
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2010, 05:08:22 am »
Hmm, I guess extreme creature control is not as powerful as I thought. Maybe I should've made an extreme permanent control FG.

Well... If the AI is as intelligent as humans... When using the Osiris deck, if my opponent has a shield that blocks all my damage, then I'd just eat my own Scarabs. My Pharaohs will keep generating back the Scarabs that have been eaten by other Scarabs. Save one Scarab for Eternity loop. Eventually, the attacking power of my Scarabs will outgrow the shield. But this only works for a regular player, as FGs have double draw which makes the Eternity loop useless.
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Re: New False God: Osiris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5182.msg53044#msg53044
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2010, 05:26:42 am »
Extreme creature control was only unstoppable before Quintessence came out. Because of Quint, it's not effective without another tactic. Because none of the creatures in the deck deal more than three damage, most shields will completely shut it down.

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Re: New False God: Osiris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5182.msg53057#msg53057
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2010, 06:43:39 am »
Hmm, I guess extreme creature control is not as powerful as I thought. Maybe I should've made an extreme permanent control FG.

Well... If the AI is as intelligent as humans... When using the Osiris deck, if my opponent has a shield that blocks all my damage, then I'd just eat my own Scarabs. My Pharaohs will keep generating back the Scarabs that have been eaten by other Scarabs. Save one Scarab for Eternity loop. Eventually, the attacking power of my Scarabs will outgrow the shield. But this only works for a regular player, as FGs have double draw which makes the Eternity loop useless.
There is one way Osiris could make Eternity loop possible :P
He only needs to keep 7 cards in his hand (Excess pillars, lategame precogs, excess pharaohs, a turtle shield and an eternity) and he will draw only one card each turn so it would be possible for him to survive this way. His problem though is that he has no healing, so he would die anyway.

Though as it is right now any deck with a permafrost and at least two SoGs (or bonds+quinted creatures+antimatter) can win without problem. I even find it not worth to rewind his creatures, as it only slows his deckout, though it all depends on how fast you can play permafrost.

And by the way I do eat my own scarabs when I have a field full of them with my pharaoh deck (though it's impossible against this god without anubis, and I still think my deck does not really need one because it would really help only against graviton). It's especially funny to do it when I race with elidnis if I can create a scarab with 36 hp or something to eat that overgrown spirit before it unfreezes... and sometimes it's too late and elidnis manages to quint it... :P
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Re: New False God: Osiris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5182.msg53092#msg53092
« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2010, 10:45:51 am »
I love this FG <3

First battle - EM through deckout
spins:
precog-precog-precog
pharaoh-pharaoh-pharaoh
precog-precog-precog

Second battle - EM through deckout
spins:
pharaoh-pharaoh-pharaoh
pharaoh-pharaoh-pharaoh
pharaoh-pharaoh-pharaoh

^_^
Lucky you ive killed him 10+ times now and only won 1 precog.

precog-pharaoh-precog
pharaoh-precog-pharaoh

those two spins above its the ones i get 2 of every game and the third is usually

precog-pharaoh-pharaoh
pharaoh-pharaoh-precog
precog-precog-pharaoh

As my timemark up'd rainbow didn't run any permafrost i lost the my first game to him. But i noticed that he didn't eat his own scarabs when he had lots of them out so i added a permafrost and since then Ive usually kill him 1-2 turns before he decks out or gets him down to around 50hp.

EMs are unavoidable, save a dial+bone to EM or a phase shield to block the last hit from his eternity when he deck out.
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Re: New False God: Osiris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5182.msg53094#msg53094
« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2010, 11:00:11 am »
When he decks out it happens after all your healing and before he hits you with anything, so you often do not need to do anything to EM.

As for my luck, my third victory was much less lucky... spins showed some time pillars, an eternity and a turtle shield and things like that... though I wish luck to all people grinding this God-Farm, probability to win cards is much higher than with any other god I guess...
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Re: New False God: Osiris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5182.msg53181#msg53181
« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2010, 03:52:10 pm »
Update, about 20 kills now. Ive won a turtle shield. Still no a single pharaohs or extra precogs...
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Re: New False God: Osiris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5182.msg53289#msg53289
« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2010, 07:00:24 pm »
Gravity Shield is another good card against Osiris. Blocks almost all damage (except in the beginning)
I would put some Silurian Dragons in that deck.
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Re: New False God: Osiris https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5182.msg53470#msg53470
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2010, 01:24:00 am »
oty fodder?

 

anything
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