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Re: Oracle : Octane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606.msg240465#msg240465
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2011, 07:45:04 pm »
I used the deck in the OP (used 3 Improved Heals instead of 3 Heals) but... it suffers from quanta problems. Explosions hurt you. Maybe increasing the number of pillars?

It's just one game though, so it may be just bad luck.
That was made before pendulums were introduced.  Using basic replacement (2 pends for 1 of each pillar) you get this deck, which will be more quanta balanced:

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Re: Oracle : Octane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606.msg245019#msg245019
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2011, 09:29:54 am »
Really like it, worked like charm...i didnt draw the first AM until about the 20th card, but heal kept me alive until then...

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Re: Oracle : Octane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606.msg260511#msg260511
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2011, 02:21:21 pm »
Interesting. Octane has gotten smarter. Once he noticed he was healing me a ton, he stopped playing more than 1 card per turn, which allowed him to deck me out. He just got a whole lot harder for this deck. My advice is to stay on the verge of getting a little damaged each turn. Then you should be able to avoid what just happened to me on my alt.
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Re: Oracle : Octane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606.msg260516#msg260516
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2011, 02:27:44 pm »
Interesting. Octane has gotten smarter.
Not only Octane. Divine Glory was blowing up my boneyards instead of my hourglasses to kill off my mutation fodder. Next game she went back to the hourglasses though, so there must be something that triggers secondary reactions.

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Re: Oracle : Octane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606.msg264274#msg264274
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2011, 08:38:09 pm »
Aktually i think this is better against octane: EM it every time ...

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Just play lava destroyer + quint when he doesn have his shield up. use explosions on his shield. Antimater his flying weapons ... phoenix for absorb his firebolts. Healing for EM. Works extremely well! Works unupped i think ... (Supernovas should be upped)

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Re: Oracle : Octane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606.msg264314#msg264314
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2011, 09:42:24 pm »
That is an excellent deck Zilian, I got nothing more to add, much safer then the deck in the original post.

I suggest adding this one.

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Re: Oracle : Octane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606.msg264620#msg264620
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2011, 07:50:19 am »
Aktually i think this is better against octane: EM it every time ...

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Just play lava destroyer + quint when he doesn have his shield up. use explosions on his shield. Antimater his flying weapons ... phoenix for absorb his firebolts. Healing for EM. Works extremely well! Works unupped i think ... (Supernovas should be upped)
Just tried this deck and lost (I'll add that I had more upgrades, too). The Reflective Shield didn't come soon enough, nor did I get the Entropy quanta needed to use Antimatters. Octane just kept on blowing up my Quantum Towers, and Supernovas don't help in producing Entropy quanta. This might just be one bad run, though.

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Re: Oracle : Octane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606.msg264623#msg264623
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2011, 07:54:46 am »
If you pack 3 reflective shields and aren't getting any in the first 12 cards, I think you might say it's a bad draw yes.

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Re: Oracle : Octane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606.msg264635#msg264635
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2011, 08:23:40 am »
If you pack 3 reflective shields and aren't getting any in the first 12 cards, I think you might say it's a bad draw yes.
Where are you getting the number 12 from? I didn't mention that anywhere in my post.

To be more specific, I got the Reflective Shield after Octane exploded one Unstable Gas. And like I said before, Quantum Towers and a mark are not reliable sources for Entropy quanta, so the Antimatters are going to have a tough time getting out.

Have you tested the deck? (Trainer doesn't count.) Just because something looks like an "excellent deck" in theory doesn't mean it works out as planned.

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Re: Oracle : Octane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606.msg264637#msg264637
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2011, 08:27:09 am »
I said 12 because that's where the line is for having a bad draw. (personal opinion)

Anyway, since antimatters are your only way of healing, SoG's might be able to help you while you wait for entropy quanta? Allthough they prob get blown up...

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Re: Oracle : Octane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606.msg264677#msg264677
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2011, 12:18:16 pm »
1) I didnt test that deck above.
2) Its probably doing ok most of the time, as the reflective shields combined with an occasional antimatter a doing great against octane

But i dont think that it is more reliable then the entropy/life duo...but again, as i didnt test it, thats just a guess.

It met Octane yesterday and made my own deckout version. It was doing fine, but forgot to put the angels in, so lacked a single card to deck him out^^ Anyway, here is a new idea to deck Octane out (contains some rares/upped):

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Reasons why to use light instead of life:
1) The mirror shields are just MUCH faster then Jade/emerald shields...so you will take fewer hits from the US.
2) The SoGs keep you alive pretty well...Octane only has 4 Explosions, so 2 will stay forever and some will stay for a pretty good while...
3) The Archangels are quite well fitted to draw his bolts and may even survive mor then one hit.
4) Miracles are superior to heals

Quanta balance may still be a bit off...might have to replace some pendulums with amethyst pillars

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Re: Oracle : Octane https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606.msg264800#msg264800
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2011, 05:19:34 pm »
Aktually i think this is better against octane: EM it every time ...

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Just play lava destroyer + quint when he doesn have his shield up. use explosions on his shield. Antimater his flying weapons ... phoenix for absorb his firebolts. Healing for EM. Works extremely well! Works unupped i think ... (Supernovas should be upped)
Just tried this deck and lost (I'll add that I had more upgrades, too). The Reflective Shield didn't come soon enough, nor did I get the Entropy quanta needed to use Antimatters. Octane just kept on blowing up my Quantum Towers, and Supernovas don't help in producing Entropy quanta. This might just be one bad run, though.
I have tested this deck and i got three times in a row EM ... With the Mark you can get a Antimatter at least every 6 turns out. This was enough for me. I agree that shards my be a good opinion.

 

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