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How should the shard be nerfed?

The shard is balanced already
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Make attack boost part of the status effect
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Reduce the damage increase
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Increase the cost
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Other (please suggest)
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Re: [Official] Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg1195976#msg1195976
« Reply #168 on: July 07, 2015, 07:25:00 PM »
Just because something is uncounterable, doesn't make it good.

SoW Reflect is probably the most uncounterable deck out there, but it's no where near as popular as any of the famed PvP/Plat grinders for the simple reason that it's not as good as the popular PvP/Plat grinders.

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Re: [Official] Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg1195980#msg1195980
« Reply #169 on: July 07, 2015, 08:02:17 PM »
SoW Reflect is probably the most uncounterable deck out there
Decks without creatures...
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Re: [Official] Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg1195981#msg1195981
« Reply #170 on: July 07, 2015, 08:03:24 PM »
SoW Reflect is probably the most uncounterable deck out there
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I never said it was uncounterable.
There's no such thing as a truly uncounterable deck.
SoW Reflect is just the closest that I know of.
And it's not that good compared to all the popular PvP decks/plat grinders.

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Re: [Official] Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg1196105#msg1196105
« Reply #171 on: July 08, 2015, 07:39:03 PM »
There's no such thing as a truly uncounterable deck.

Quite true.

Even Nova/Tower fueled Protected Shards of Void* are can be countered via Silence/Stone Skin and that hypothetical deck sacrificed so much to avoid direct/indirect card counters that it has a tough time vs AI0(when assuming it is under quanta denial). :) I need to go try this now.  ;D

And then you get into strategy based counters(out rushing/out stalling/out comboing).

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Edit: Ok, maybe it still has an easy time vs AI0. But the point still stands.
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Re: [Official] Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg1261994#msg1261994
« Reply #172 on: April 03, 2017, 02:57:36 PM »
I find that making a shard that could target an untargetable creature is OP/imbalanced/cheating. Immortals are powerful enough, why this shard?

Possible fixes:
- one of the first comments mentions that the shard could remove invisibility/immortality; this way if you miss creature control cards from your deck, bad for you.
- make it expensive (8 quanta or more); but it's still cheating in a way.
- add creature control cards with the only purpose to remove invisibility (1 similar exists afaik)

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Re: [Official] Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg1262031#msg1262031
« Reply #173 on: April 03, 2017, 09:47:24 PM »
I find that making a shard that could target an untargetable creature is OP/imbalanced/cheating. Immortals are powerful enough, why this shard?

Possible fixes:
- one of the first comments mentions that the shard could remove invisibility/immortality; this way if you miss creature control cards from your deck, bad for you.
- make it expensive (8 quanta or more); but it's still cheating in a way.
- add creature control cards with the only purpose to remove invisibility (1 similar exists afaik)
making it cost 8 quanta would make the card useless. momentum has a similar effect and is already 1 quanta cheaper than SoW. The idea of this thread isn't nerf something out of existence, it's to make the cards balanced.
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Re: [Official] Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg1262032#msg1262032
« Reply #174 on: April 03, 2017, 10:09:01 PM »
You're disregarding the other posibilities. Making it remove immortality could be interesting. The point of the post was not to explicitly say that Wisdom is OP, but rather that it allows targeting immaterial cards, something that many other people have stated their displeasure about.
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Re: [Official] Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg1262033#msg1262033
« Reply #175 on: April 03, 2017, 10:11:36 PM »
You're disregarding the other posibilities. Making it remove immortality could be interesting. The point of the post was not to explicitly say that Wisdom is OP, but rather that it allows targeting immaterial cards, something that many other people have stated their displeasure about.

Maybe the card description could be:

Target creature gains +4/+0. If the creature is immaterial, the creature deals spell damage instead of gaining the attack boost.
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Re: [Official] Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg1262050#msg1262050
« Reply #176 on: April 04, 2017, 01:15:18 AM »
The point of the post was not to explicitly say that Wisdom is OP, but rather that it allows targeting immaterial cards, something that many other people have stated their displeasure about.
The point of the whole "Nerf This Card!" subforum is to ask for nerfs to cards that are OP. The fact that it allows targetting immaterial creatures is one side of the debate.

TBH it feels like it's giving another trick to a creature that already "cheats" most CC. And on top of that it gives bonus damage. I'm not sure about its game balance (seems on the strong side, but then again most shards are slightly on the strong side), but it feels pretty crappy to play against. It would be nice if it had a drawback that didn't involve two obscure cards that already had niche use and will keep being niche.

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Re: [Official] Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg1264051#msg1264051
« Reply #177 on: May 15, 2017, 12:29:47 AM »
- one of the first comments mentions that the shard could remove invisibility/immortality; this way if you miss creature control cards from your deck, bad for you.
Phase Dragon + Shard of wisdom + Fractal = Phase dragon apocalypse
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Re: [Official] Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg1264052#msg1264052
« Reply #178 on: May 15, 2017, 01:04:35 AM »
- one of the first comments mentions that the shard could remove invisibility/immortality; this way if you miss creature control cards from your deck, bad for you.
Phase Dragon + Shard of wisdom + Fractal = Phase dragon apocalypse
you have to be careful when balancing a card

what? Fractaled creatures do not keep buffs, that would be a rubbish combo.

durato's idea actually makes SoW pretty underpowered rather than overpowered, SoW is fine how it is
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Re: [Official] Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg1264059#msg1264059
« Reply #179 on: May 15, 2017, 06:47:31 AM »
what if PU is meant instead of fractal?

I've heard that back in the day phase dragon was not immaterial, and phase dragon + PU was way too strong.
The additional cost of a card is probably worth the benefit of +4|+0 and shield-bypassing.
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