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Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39760.msg493682#msg493682
« on: May 06, 2012, 08:18:55 am »
Sorry if this question has been posed before, but while a recent arena game, I noticed that the opposition deck was able to play multiple shard of wisdom card against Immortals. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't Immortals untargetable? This essentially removes any counter to these cards, having to choose to either block spells or creature damage...

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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39760.msg493684#msg493684
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2012, 08:21:39 am »
Read the card's text more carefully:
Target an immortal creature.
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39760.msg493745#msg493745
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2012, 02:34:40 pm »
target the immortal, and this would make the creature turn into spell damage. beware if you are fighting against life and light....their shield reflects the damage. Btw, i would not risk this. i've not tried this.....but i dunno whether the 'immortal' would change into something not....so what for??? this shard is one of the shards that i don't really wanna experiment with
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39760.msg496073#msg496073
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2012, 05:16:33 am »
SoW is hardly overpowered. Only Anubis+SoR can ever use it outside of mutations and :aether . Playing a quint automatically adds another card, making a minimum of a 3-card combo. Prequinted creatures already have terrible stats. If you're going to complain that a 12-ATK phase dragon is pseudo-momentumed and cost 16 quanta to play is OP, but don't complain that crimson dragon+momentum+quint costs 16, has 13 ATK, bypasses more shields and requires no rares, then suit yourself. It's not zanz's fault that you can't analyze that many things just outclass SoW.
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39760.msg496082#msg496082
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2012, 05:51:51 am »
SoW is hardly overpowered. Only Anubis+SoR can ever use it outside of mutations and :aether . Playing a quint automatically adds another card, making a minimum of a 3-card combo. Prequinted creatures already have terrible stats. If you're going to complain that a 12-ATK phase dragon is pseudo-momentumed and cost 16 quanta to play is OP, but don't complain that crimson dragon+momentum+quint costs 16, has 13 ATK, bypasses more shields and requires no rares, then suit yourself. It's not zanz's fault that you can't analyze that many things just outclass SoW.

That comparison you gave helps his cause more.  The phase dragon+SoW is mono and involves two cards.  The crimson dragon+momentum+quint involves three cards and is a trio.  Rarity shouldn't be factored in when discussing potential OPness.

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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39760.msg496152#msg496152
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2012, 11:56:01 am »
I also think it is a bit overpowered. Mainly, because the Phase Dragon + Shard of Wisdom combo involves only one element and Ether could have stood alone well 'tll now without this shard.

However, I can see bigger problems with it. First, Mono Ether has been a fine deck so far without the shard. Second, any other uses of Shard of Wisdom than targetting Ether creatures requires a higly complex combo (as others mentioned it). Third, it's typically a card whith is overpowerd in the hands of the AI. A 3x mark+Double card per turn arena deck can easily accumulate the quanta for the dragon (the Shard itself is ridiculously cheap), most probably it'll always have enough quanta for the maximum 12 Phase Shields to chain them, and in most cases, enough HP to sustain the "occasional damage" 'till the Dragons do their job. The only reasonable counter is Jade Shield which is a costy one anyway (5/7). Reflective Shield is rarely found in decks, since Light has better shield options whil'st Multi/Rainbow decks would need to add an extra card against the Shard which is almost useless in every other situation.
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39760.msg496244#msg496244
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2012, 04:08:06 pm »
A 3x mark+Double card per turn arena deck can easily accumulate the quanta for the dragon (the Shard itself is ridiculously cheap), most probably it'll always have enough quanta for the maximum 12 Phase Shields to chain them, and in most cases, enough HP to sustain the "occasional damage" 'till the Dragons do their job.
Last i checked, pvp was base for balance, not arena(pseudo pvp)
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39760.msg496304#msg496304
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2012, 05:10:10 pm »
Last i checked, pvp was base for balance, not arena(pseudo pvp)

As I wrote, it is a bit overpowered. The real problem I can see is directly about the AI usage - this can't be based upon the direct pvp.
Plus, it isn't the card itself which is overpowered, only the fact disturbs me that it basicly enhance an already-(realtively)-powerful mono deck - which has had the main drawback so far that it has been unable to cross shields. In my opinion, every mono deck should have a weak side (eg Fire creatures have very low HP), but, from this point, it would be off-topique.
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39760.msg496366#msg496366
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2012, 07:55:42 pm »
there are ways to counter it too, PC, shields like the  :life :light s' well, rush it, SoSa....well shards r new and i don't blame the fact some shards are OP yet, but they r soon getting nerf :)
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39760.msg496404#msg496404
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2012, 09:03:47 pm »
So here's a question.  Can Shard of Wisdom be used on burrowed creatures like shrieker, graboid, antlion? (or freaky mutants)

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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39760.msg496475#msg496475
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2012, 11:40:39 pm »
So here's a question.  Can Shard of Wisdom be used on burrowed creatures like shrieker, graboid, antlion? (or freaky mutants)
Nope. Burrowed does use the same variable as immaterial (so burrow->unburrow removes immaterial), but it sets it to a different value, and does not allow SoW.

 

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