[Official] Ghost of the Past | Ghost of the Past

[eaglgenes101]

No, what I'm proposing is not exactly a nerf. My suggestion would make Ghost of the Past riskier in use both as a denial tool and a rush tool. It would also reduce the forced comboing with nightmare that Obsession is associated with. It also would improve thematics, since it wouldn't make sense for a ghost to avenge discards but not CC.

[OldTrees]

GoTP can be used without Nightmare as a efficient mid ranged attacker.
Nightmare can be used without GoTP as draw denial.
Since neither needs to be used with the other to be competent, it is not a forced combo.

PS: You do know that your version of obsession would practically never be triggered as part of a denial tool? How would non time victims of Ghostmare with your version of GoTP be hurt by Obsession?

[furballdn]

This is no longer GotP. This is a completely new card.

[ZephyrPhantom]

This is no longer GotP. This is a completely new card.

And it has a much better cost/attack ratio, making it much more valuable in mono - rushes or Ghostals that rely on late-game mass Fractals. (10 attack upgraded by itself is worth 8 at its cheapest, and 5 for 7 attack is pushing it when 5 quanta generally equals 5 ATK but gets ignored by several cards like Puffer Fish.)

If anything, this is a buff. (It's not really even a berf IMHO because even though the ability becomes useless and makes Ghostmare unreliable the card becomes much more rush-efficient. This is just begging to replace Archangel in an SNovabow.)

[furballdn]

In short, you've made nightmare with GotP useless (You even take 5 damage when you nightmare it!), but buffed it with fractal.

[eaglgenes101]

No, it's not buffed. By targeted I meant any sort of click on GotP that made something happen to it, even playing it, so playing a full hand of upped GotP would deal 56 damage to you. (If you can come up with a better wording, do that please.)

And nightmaring GotP would deny the opponent harder than a non-GotP creature and let you recover some of the damage cost of using GotP.

[furballdn]

No, it's not buffed. By targeted I meant any sort of click on GotP that made something happen to it, even playing it, so playing a full hand of upped GotP would deal 56 damage to you. (If you can come up with a better wording, do that please.)That is not the definition of "targetted" So it is now an efficient creature that damages you once when you summon it? Meh.

And nightmaring GotP would deny the opponent harder than a non-GotP creature and let you recover some of the damage cost of using GotP.
I do not see

[ZephyrPhantom]

No, it's not buffed. By targeted I meant any sort of click on GotP that made something happen to it, even playing it, so playing a full hand of upped GotP would deal 56 damage to you.  Targeted generally implies target on the field only. Also, it might just be me but if that's how the ability is used, then GoTP seems to turn into an extremely reckless 'Glass Cannon' more fitting of Fire's aggressive nature.

And nightmaring GotP would deny the opponent harder than a non-GotP creature and let you recover some of the damage cost of using GotP. So in other words, GoTP keeps its Obsession ability but also becomes more rushy and gets more attack. How is this balanced? [as a general rule oneshot HP damage tends to have less 'weight' as a balancing factor against the longterm effect it provides, hence the large HP penalty of Shard of Sacrifice.]

[eaglgenes101]

Should I change the obsession ability to make the penalty letting the opponent draw cards instead?

And currently, GotP would deal its damage to the player then again every time it's targeted by the opponent. Is this a good cost for the 1 extra attack that comes with the card?

EDIT: Edited OP with a new suggestion.

[OldTrees]

Now GoTP + Nightmare = 1 of your hand rewound + 2 draws denied the opponent (since playing GoTP does not rewind a card in your hand)

This version is an unjustified buff

[eaglgenes101]

Now GoTP + Nightmare = 1 of your hand rewound + 2 draws denied the opponent (since playing GoTP does not rewind a card in your hand)

Now GoTP denies 1 draw per CC used to remove it

This version is an unjustified buff

No, it's the owner of GotP that takes the pentalty, not the opponent.

[ZephyrPhantom]

Now GoTP + Nightmare = 1 of your hand rewound + 2 draws denied the opponent (since playing GoTP does not rewind a card in your hand)

Now GoTP denies 1 draw per CC used to remove it

This version is an unjustified buff

No, it's the owner of GotP that takes the pentalty, not the opponent.

Still, you're technically making GoTP act as a free Reverse Time once you successfully Nightmare it into the opponent's hand. I'm not exactly sure what's the balance difference between 'don't discard to avoid taking damage' and 'don't discard to avoid denying your draws', except that the 2nd favors denial a lot more and weakens it's 'rush' potential with Nightmare. (In other words, I don't get why it is a nerf because it got a stronger effect that affects the owner as a counterbalance to the increased denial.)