The Vault (Round 0)

[PlayerOa]

We can also have some Fog Shields, and Fractal can be smart.

[wizelsnarf]

Here is a list of every card I think we should bring. Remember we can only bring 24 x life cards and only 12x non life cards. Please feel free to discuss this but make sure any changes you suggest total 505 cards. My suggestions below:

  cards - must be 253 or greater:

+Pillars and pends = 110

+17 Emerald dragon
+24 Frog
+6 rustler (12 if we have space?)
+18 cockatrice
+0 forest spirit (unless you guys want them)
+20 heal
+6 thorn carapace
+4 emerald shield
+8 druidic staff
+6 empathic bond (maybe 6 if we have space?)
+18 adrenaline
+18 forest scorpion
+6 mitosis (maybe 8 or 10 if we have space?)
= 261 cards

 

+6 dim shield
+5 quintessence
+3 lightening
+6 fractal (maybe we need more if we can find space?)
= 19 cards

 

+4 fog shield (maybe 6 if we can find space?)
+6 wings
+4 firefly queen (maybe only 4 or 5?)
+2 Eagles Eye
+3 shockwave
+2 sky blitz
= 21 cards

 

+6 devourer
+2 nightfall
+6 vampire (for adren vamps deck)
+6 steal
+2 dusk mantle
+5 drain life (for cc? necessary?)
+2 black dragon
= 29 cards

 

+6 poison
+4 arsenic
+2 skull shield (do we need this?)
= 12 cards

 

+12 graboid
+12 earthquake
+4 stone skin
+2 enchant artifact (seems like a good idea for a thorn carapace stall)
= 30 cards

 

+12 nova
+6 discord
+4 fallen elf
+6 antimatter (do we want this many - they are really expensive to play)
= 28 cards

 

+6 firebolt
+2 fireshield
+12 deflagration
+2 Fahrenheit
+4 rage potion
+6 phoenix (for minor phoenix mitosis deck when we have upgrades or for me only???)
= 32 cards

 

+6 charger
+6 armagio
+2 gravity shield
+6 momentum (do we want this many?)
+2 titan
+6 acceleration
+3 otyugh
= 31 cards

 

+2 solar shield
+2 morning star
+3 miracle
+6 luciferin
+3 hope
+ 0 crusaders (should we bring any if we can find space?)
= 16 cards

  - should we bring any time cards at all? I chose the below because they will go with anything

+2 procrastination
+6 reverse time
= 8 cards

 

+6 icebolt
+2 iceshield
+4 purify
+4 arctic squid
= 16 cards



Grand total of 505 cards (if my math is correct)

[PlayerOa]

Here is a list of every card I think we should bring. Remember we can only bring 24 x life cards and only 12x non life cards. Please feel free to discuss this but make sure any changes you suggest total 505 cards. My suggestions below:

  cards - must be 253 or greater:

+Pillars and pends = 110

+15 Emerald dragon
+24 Frog
+6 rustler (12 if we have space?)
+18 cockatrice
+0 forest spirit (unless you guys want them)
+20 heal
+6 thorn carapace
+4 emerald shield
+8 druidic staff
+3 empathic bond (maybe 6 if we have space?)
+18 adrenaline
+15 forest scorpion
+6 mitosis (maybe 8 or 10 if we have space?)
= 253 cards

 

+6 dim shield
+6 quintessence
+3 fractal (maybe we need more if we can find space?)
= 15 cards

 

+4 fog shield (maybe 6 if we can find space?)
+6 wings
+6 firefly queen (maybe only 4 or 5?)
+2 Eagles Eye
+3 shockwave
+2 sky blitz
+6 flying weapon (should we even bring these? - they work well when upgraded)
= 29 cards

 

+6 devourer
+2 nightfall
+6 vampire (for adren vamps deck)
+6 steal
+2 dusk mantle
+3 drain life (for cc? necessary?)
+2 black dragon
= 27 cards

 

+6 poison
+4 arsenic
+2 skull shield (do we need this?)
= 12 cards

 

+12 graboid
+12 earthquake
+4 stone skin
+2 enchant artifact (seems like a good idea for a thorn carapace stall)
= 30 cards

 

+12 nova
+6 discord
+6 fallen elf
+6 antimatter (do we want this many - they are really expensive to play)
= 30 cards

 

+6 firebolt
+2 fireshield
+12 deflagration
+2 Fahrenheit
+4 rage potion
+6 phoenix (for minor phoenix mitosis deck when we have upgrades or for me only???)
= 32 cards

 

+6 charger
+6 armagio
+2 gravity shield
+6 momentum (do we want this many?)
+2 titan
+6 acceleration
= 28 cards

 

+2 solar shield
+2 morning star
+3 miracle
+6 luciferin
+3 hope
+ 0 crusaders (should we bring any if we can find space?)
= 16 cards

  - should we bring any time cards at all? I chose the below because they will go with anything

+2 procrastination
+6 reverse time
= 8 cards

 

+6 icebolt
+2 iceshield
+4 purify
+3 arctic squid
= 15 cards



Grand total of 505 cards (if my math is correct)

Good.
I don't think the Drain Lives is neccesary. We can add Bonds or Mitosises (or whatever plural form)?

[wizelsnarf]

i dropped 3 quints and added 3 lightenings to my proposal - I think lightening is a key card in rainbows  and you dont usually need all 6 quints.

[promwarm]

Just a few thoughts:
* Empathic bond is awesome, should have 6 I think (+3)
* Fractal decks are very fun and could be devestating (+3)
* I should skip the flying weapons (-6)
* I agree on the queens, they are pretty expensive to play considering we won't have (m)any air pillars (-2)
* Drain life works very nice in a mitosis devourer deck, not only for CC but also for +damage (+2)

Perhaps -2 fallen elfs while adding 2 arctic squids. Thought is: fallen elfs are pretty expensive and we can't build a deck fully based on elfs, while we could build a deck based on arctic squids.

I also checked your maths.
The element totals seem to be correct, however Excel returns a grand total of 495.
Prove here (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AlBk6HtYktTHdDJKaUljcTZMelF6eWhudGxDbXBzalE&hl=en&authkey=CLK_hZQB) (for validation of my calculation)

Some other thoughts without proper number of suggestions:
* 6 wings seems too much to me (but don't know what else to suggest in favor of removing a few wings)
* 6 antimatters costs 48 entropy, that seems too much to me
* if we are going to build fahrenheit decks, we need more than 2 pcs
* Otyughs are a nightmare to many decks, shouldn't we include cards to create an otyugh deck?

[kitty45]

 I think -2 animater + 2 otyugh

[wizelsnarf]

nice input promwarm. If my math is wrong, I am glad it is below the card limit not above. Thanks!

I pretty much agree with you. Antimatters are damn expensive - the only reason to take 6 is if we want to use 2 entropy decks in the same round.

Otyugh if the only card I somewhat disagree about. Unupgraded otyugh is 0|3 and the only buff we can use is momentum to make it 0|4 - not that effective. Upgraded they might be worth it though.

Since we actually have more space I would like to bring more quintessence too. Maybe +1 or +2 quintessence.  The quint-dragon-phase shield deck is going to be essential I believe.

[PlayerOa]

nice input promwarm. If my math is wrong, I am glad it is below the card limit not above. Thanks!

I pretty much agree with you. Antimatters are damn expensive - the only reason to take 6 is if we want to use 2 entropy decks in the same round.

Otyugh if the only card I somewhat disagree about. Unupgraded otyugh is 0|3 and the only buff we can use is momentum to make it 0|4 - not that effective. Upgraded they might be worth it though.

Since we actually have more space I would like to bring more quintessence too. Maybe +1 or +2 quintessence.  The quint-dragon-phase shield deck is going to be essential I believe.

We probably don't need 6 Antimatters, 4 is enough.
Adding 2 quints can work as a 'sub' for Antimatters.
The two Turtle shields seems pretty random; they can also be switched.
And an idea of mine: More Mitosis is pretty important. If they needs discarding...

[wizelsnarf]

turtle shield works well with reverse time.

Frankly I am not sure if we should bring time cards or not - there isn't a lot of synergy with life (except maybe deja vu, but they suck unupped). Ghost is too expensive, same with eternity. The only reasonable time cards to bring are rewind and precognition. Turtle shield + reverse time works well as a total denial type of deck but we don't need them...

I guess we will take less antimatter then. 4 seems good enough.

[wavedash]

From the looks of it, we have no counter to Accelerated Titans / other giant creatures. Reverse Time makes Acceleration decks a cakewalk.

[wizelsnarf]

yeah that is a great point - rewind vs gravity decks could be very useful now that they have acceleration - which they will be sure to use.

[PlayerOa]

From the looks of it, we have no counter to Accelerated Titans / other giant creatures. Reverse Time makes Acceleration decks a cakewalk.

Good reminder.
Wizel, keep the rewinds. We need them.