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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg146897#msg146897
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2010, 05:45:31 pm »
Sidenote- I run Life Pendulums, upgraded, in my version and it makes a big difference when dealing with earthqukes vs L3. Upside is you don't notice any change in speed or efficiency either. ;)

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg146901#msg146901
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2010, 05:48:40 pm »
Sidenote- I run Life Pendulums, upgraded, in my version and it makes a big difference when dealing with earthqukes vs L3. Upside is you don't notice any change in speed or efficiency either. ;)
Yeah I mentioned that back several posts.  I use the pendalums too,  I haven't updated the OP yet because I don't like the ???.

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg146904#msg146904
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2010, 06:02:17 pm »
I used to lose some matches with the mono-life deck i usually used for AI3-farming. I still donĀ“t get 100% EM, but rather close.

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg146907#msg146907
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2010, 06:25:37 pm »
Sidenote- I run Life Pendulums, upgraded, in my version and it makes a big difference when dealing with earthqukes vs L3. Upside is you don't notice any change in speed or efficiency either. ;)
Yeah I mentioned that back several posts.  I use the pendalums too,  I haven't updated the OP yet because I don't like the ???.
Yeah, I noticed ya said it and when I finally got around to ponying up the electrum I added them. I just figured I'd mention it here that they do help a lot against the  :earth Elder ;)

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg146909#msg146909
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2010, 06:29:29 pm »
Whats the stats for T50?

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg146910#msg146910
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2010, 06:32:41 pm »
Jmdt can correct me on this, but I don't think this deck is a good, viable option for T50. It has no way to deal with permanents or ways to get past troublesome shields. One Phase shield can wreck this deck. Doesn't mean jmdt won't have some stats though :P

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg146938#msg146938
« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2010, 07:16:01 pm »
Jmdt can correct me on this, but I don't think this deck is a good, viable option for T50. It has no way to deal with permanents or ways to get past troublesome shields. One Phase shield can wreck this deck. Doesn't mean jmdt won't have some stats though :P
Exactly.  While this is a great deck overall, there are better options for T50.  If you want to use a life rush in T50 replace the Improved Heals with Ephinephrines, otherwise you should look at a different deck.

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg150122#msg150122
« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2010, 01:38:26 pm »
One minor tweak I made that I really like is to replace one tower with an Epinephrine. I noticed that the number of awkward draws caused by too many towers were far more frequent than those due to too few, so I added another damage card. The card itself is pretty good, even does one more damage than the other creatures and is good against freeze, while being more vulnerable to other creature control. Also, as a one-off you don't really get into a situation where you cant play the card. In the games I played after the change, whenever I drew the Epinephrine I checked whether I would have preferred a tower in its place and my results were strongly in favor of the Epinephrine.
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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg150191#msg150191
« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2010, 04:22:10 pm »
Only thing that has ever caused me to discard with this deck is Discord, would love to know the statistics of this card with one Tower replaced with Epinephrine, since I tend to have too (yes too much since I'd rather have drawn a damage card) much towers as well, much more than having too little.

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg150649#msg150649
« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2010, 07:09:35 am »
This is possible the best T3 grinder, but I think 6x I.Heals is too much. I'd take 1 out for Scorpion or Epi, because that won't hurt EM-rate much, and it should make ttw a bit better. But all in all, it's a Great deck anyways.

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg150789#msg150789
« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2010, 04:28:02 pm »
I know jmdt and I go rounds on this, but I run this version of EM LR:

-2 Long Sword
-2 Heal

+2 Epinephirine
+2 Jade Staff


I figure then I can replace 2 of the heals with 2 Jades since most of the time I only ever really need one heal for EM and the Jades still keep my healing options in the deck at 6. Jades, if out early enough, can give as much health in 4 turns as a heal, and for those pesky, long games the staff can keep you going making it's cost cheaper than casting 2 or more heals for the same amount of health. Since I have the Jades, I can then add in the Epi's for a little more damage and get around the slowing CCs like Ice Shields. Yes, there is a lot of annoying CC that can mess with Epi'ed frogs/trices, but there are tims when it really helps to. Hence the reason for only2.

All in all, my version might be just slightly slower than jmdt's, but it still gets a good TTW. Since I figured it out before I ever saw this thread I take a little pride in my deck and I have a hard time swallowing that pride.  :P

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg151619#msg151619
« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2010, 11:05:17 pm »
I know jmdt and I go rounds on this, but I run this version of EM LR:

-2 Long Sword
-2 Heal

+2 Epinephirine
+2 Jade Staff


I figure then I can replace 2 of the heals with 2 Jades since most of the time I only ever really need one heal for EM and the Jades still keep my healing options in the deck at 6. Jades, if out early enough, can give as much health in 4 turns as a heal, and for those pesky, long games the staff can keep you going making it's cost cheaper than casting 2 or more heals for the same amount of health. Since I have the Jades, I can then add in the Epi's for a little more damage and get around the slowing CCs like Ice Shields. Yes, there is a lot of annoying CC that can mess with Epi'ed frogs/trices, but there are tims when it really helps to. Hence the reason for only2.

All in all, my version might be just slightly slower than jmdt's, but it still gets a good TTW. Since I figured it out before I ever saw this thread I take a little pride in my deck and I have a hard time swallowing that pride.  :P
You'll have to pry the longswords out of my cold dead hands... :P

 

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