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The Ultimate Speed EM Deck http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg129614#msg129614
« on: August 02, 2010, 07:12:02 AM »
First off, props to selenbrandt for opening my eyes to the posibility making an EM deck fast enough to outearn a super rush deck.  I've used various versions of this deck looking for the fastest possible time and EM rate.  After a suggestion from Mr. Blonde about using a long sword, a bit more experimentation led me to this build.  The deck has a QI of 4, so it has no problem generating quanta and dumping cards as quickly as possible. 

This deck is by far the best method for gaining score in the game the best deck to efficiently grind AI3 with.

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg129629#msg129629
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2010, 07:59:41 AM »
I run a very similar version using x3 Epinephrine and x2 Jade Staff with only 3 Improved Heals. (10 towers, 6 Frogs, 6 Trices)

Here is what I found in my own testing with that version:

(in a 50 game run)

6.76 TTW
+1775 Electrum
+1390 Score
28 EMs (56%)
69 minutes to complete w/ spins. (so 50 wins within an hour is very possible if you don't spin)

I notice that a vast majority of my EMs only needed one Heal to make it happen since my Jade Staff kept me in the 80's HP range a lot of the time plus Jade Staff helps widdle down the AI. I like the idea of using the Long Sword, but you can only ever have one out at a time where I have had all my Epinephrine's out at once, but I can see how the Long Sword works well in the above version.

I do know this about my version though. I played it this last week non-stop and only lost twice out a 1000 games. Both losses were a result of an epic fail opening hand versus a epic opening hand for the AI followed by my horrible draws and the AI getting great continuing draws. I gotta figure that a deck with a loss rate .02% isn't all that bad either ;)

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg135534#msg135534
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2010, 01:52:49 AM »
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I don't understand, why would anyone farm AI3 if you have so much cash to Upgrade a Mono rush deck?
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About the deck, it's a "basic" use 6 of all cards deck, what where your results with adrenaline and unUpped frogs?

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg135538#msg135538
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2010, 02:06:26 AM »
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I don't understand, why would anyone farm AI3 if you have so much cash to Upgrade a Mono rush deck?
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About the deck, it's a "basic" use 6 of all cards deck, what where your results with adrenaline and unUpped frogs?
You farm AI3 with this deck to gain score.  AI3 is already the best for score gain and by having the high EM potential with high speed makes this much greater.  You can seriously gain 4-5K score in a sitting with this deck if you want to.

I do not use adrenaline as it makes for a less stable deck.  infection and fire shield destroy a card with adrenaline and against CC you lose 2 cards when an adrenalined card is killed.  Upped frog is always better than unupped frog, even with adrenaline.

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg135540#msg135540
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2010, 02:18:59 AM »
Thanks. It's logical once explained. :)

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg135578#msg135578
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2010, 03:41:15 AM »
Ever since I faced a couple of these in T50, I decided to make one and give it a go. Its real fast for AI3, and allows EM a lot of the time. Though sometimes there's an early Oty that gives you a run for the money, Dusk can also be really annoying. I even played it on T50 just for kicks  :P 

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg136581#msg136581
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2010, 08:17:34 AM »
Ever since I faced a couple of these in T50, I decided to make one and give it a go. Its real fast for AI3, and allows EM a lot of the time. Though sometimes there's an early Oty that gives you a run for the money, Dusk can also be really annoying. I even played it on T50 just for kicks  :P
That was probably me you faced in the T50 with this deck.  I have it up a lot unless I'm testing a deck or have up a biting farm.  Yeah, I was surprised how fast this deck came out when I did my testing.

I won't claim this is the best deck out there for t50, but it would interesting to see the win and EM rate versus t50.

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg136605#msg136605
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2010, 09:24:36 AM »
It isn't that great. With all the Fire and Rainbow decks, there are lots of ways you can lose. It also loses to mono Darkness, of which there are a few roaming about.

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg136651#msg136651
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2010, 11:51:18 AM »
Ever since I faced a couple of these in T50, I decided to make one and give it a go. Its real fast for AI3, and allows EM a lot of the time. Though sometimes there's an early Oty that gives you a run for the money, Dusk can also be really annoying. I even played it on T50 just for kicks  :P
That was probably me you faced in the T50 with this deck.  I have it up a lot unless I'm testing a deck or have up a biting farm.  Yeah, I was surprised how fast this deck came out when I did my testing.

I won't claim this is the best deck out there for t50, but it would interesting to see the win and EM rate versus t50.
Yeah, it was mainly your deck, one belonging to trdgh (?) and clathius (?), and at least one more. It boiled down to either getting more damage out than the life-rush deck and/or drawing wings. Its a very focused deck that does exactly what it should- spew out creatures ramping up the damage every turn, and provide bursts of healing to out last the opposition. Without drawing the right permanents, a rainbow rush deck can get into hurt town really fast and get kicked into deadville the next turn.   

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg136753#msg136753
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2010, 03:54:21 PM »
It isn't that great. With all the Fire and Rainbow decks, there are lots of ways you can lose. It also loses to mono Darkness, of which there are a few roaming about.
Although I've had some success versus t50, using this deck against t50 is probably a bad idea.  It has a max damage potential of 66 so if things go wrong, which they will eventually, it doesn't have the muscle to pull out versus some decks.  There are better upped life rushes to use versus t50.   I've learned in friendly PvP, that against faster decks, this deck usually can't keep up even with the heals.  This deck was designed for AI3; as a grinder it is brilliant, for everything else I have better decks for the job.


Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg136767#msg136767
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2010, 04:17:09 PM »
why don't you use jade staffs instead of long swords?? they give 5 healing and 4 damage for 1  :life higher.

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Re: The Ultimate Speed EM Deck http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.msg136783#msg136783
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2010, 04:34:18 PM »
why don't you use jade staffs instead of long swords?? they give 5 healing and 4 damage for 1  :life higher.
The longswords allow for a 4 turn kill which makes the deck faster.  The 6 heals are plenty to keep the hp up and get an EM.

 

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