Post by: The Oracle on May 24, 2010, 10:02:29 am
| (http://www.zanzarino.net/minilogo.jpg) | RELIQUARY Level 4 |
Here are all the card ideas that made it into Elements the game. Most of them are not identical to what can be found in the game, but they have clearly been a source of inspiration to the developers.
Graviton Salvager | Graviton Salvager
| (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Reliquary/GravitonSalvager.png) (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Reliquary/GravitonSalvagerUpgraded.png) (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/level-4-reliquary/graviton-salvager-graviton-salvager-39851/) | |
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  (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,45357.0.html)   (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,45299.0.html) |
Dry Spell | Desiccation
| (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Reliquary/Desiccation.png) (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Reliquary/DesiccationUpgraded.png) (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,30479.0.html) | |
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  (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,45198.0.html) |
Psionist | Psion
| (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Reliquary/Psionist.png) (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Reliquary/Psion.png) (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,28117.0.html) | |
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  (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32132.0.html)   (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,39177.0.html) |
Shard of Intuition | Shard of Intuition
| (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Reliquary/ShardOfIntuition.png) (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Reliquary/ShardOfIntuitionUpgraded.png) (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,31506) | |
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  (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,31452.0.html) |
Minotaur | Minotaur
| (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Reliquary/Minotaur.png) (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Reliquary/MinotaurUpgraded.png) (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17346.0.html) | |
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  (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20160.0.html) |
Acceleration | Overdrive
| (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Reliquary/Acceleration.png)(http://elementscommunity.org/images/Reliquary/Overdrive.png) (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10924.0.html) | |
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  (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,19731.0.html) |
Crusader | Elite Crusader
| (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Reliquary/Crusader.png) (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Reliquary/EliteCrusader.png) (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5815.0.html) | |
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  (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17243.0.html) |
Schrödinger's Cat | Schrödinger's Cat
| (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Reliquary/SchrodingersCat.png) (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Reliquary/SchrodingersCatUpgraded.png) (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6928.0.html) | |
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  (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,16601.0.html) |
Puppet | Voodoo Doll
| (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Reliquary/Puppet.png) (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Reliquary/VoodooDoll.png) (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6321.0.html) | |
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  (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,9640.0.html) |
Phoenix | Elite Phoenix
| (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Reliquary/Phoenix.png) (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Reliquary/ElitePhoenix.png) (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/level-4-reliquary/phoenix-elite-phoenix/) | |
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  (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,3956.0.html)   (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,3957.0.html) |
Post by: Korugar on July 13, 2010, 01:39:07 am
Post by: Zac33333 on July 14, 2010, 08:43:06 pm
Post by: miniwally on July 14, 2010, 08:43:39 pm
Post by: jmdt on August 13, 2010, 01:58:45 am
Post by: ddevans96 on August 13, 2010, 02:01:14 am
EDIT: ninja'd
Post by: Kuroaitou on August 13, 2010, 04:41:54 am
Voodoo Doll | Voodoo Doll is now a part of the Reliquary!
Post by: Darkslay on August 23, 2010, 01:47:38 pm
Post by: Xelax on August 23, 2010, 01:50:29 pm
I dont get the spell voodoo dollIt's not a spell, it's a creature. And it's been in the game for about a week now...
Post by: eh pewwwp on August 23, 2010, 03:39:42 pm
Post by: jmizzle7 on August 23, 2010, 03:46:28 pm
why arent things like the pendulums or potions or fractal in here, was it one of zanz's ideas or somethingOnly card ideas submitted by players that directly inspire a card in the actual game are put into the Reliquary. None of those that you mentioned were player-submitted, but were Zanz's ideas.
Post by: Belthazar666 on August 23, 2010, 04:51:00 pm
Puppet | Voodoo doll was a spell idea.I dont get the spell voodoo dollIt's not a spell, it's a creature. And it's been in the game for about a week now...
To put it simply, it targets a creature and makes a copy with 0 attack. Anything that happens to the copy happens to the original.
Post by: Daxx on August 24, 2010, 04:07:33 pm
Post by: Ant-n-ero on August 24, 2010, 04:10:21 pm
Could I request Plague Marshes (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,2701.msg25885.html) (almost the exact same mechanic was implemented as Thorn Carapace) be moved here?Plague Marshes topic started on: 31 January 2010, 18:04:20
wasn't thorn carapce out way before that?
Post by: Daxx on August 24, 2010, 04:15:06 pm
I could be wrong but seem to remember the shield competition coming before Zanz implemented the new shields. Certainly no-one brought the similarity up during judging.Could I request Plague Marshes (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,2701.msg25885.html) (almost the exact same mechanic was implemented as Thorn Carapace) be moved here?Plague Marshes topic started on: 31 January 2010, 18:04:20
wasn't thorn carapce out way before that?
Though checking the thread start times, it does look a little odd.
EDIT: I've checked with people on chat and they agree that the thread start time for Thorn Carapace seems wrong. It wasn't in the game that early. Can anyone else confirm/deny this?
EDIT2: I've been through the changelogs.
Elements 1.21It seems the Thorn Shield thread was miraculously posted two months before the card was added. :o
New cards:
- Phoenix (and Ash)
- Hope
- Fractal
- Thorn Shield (replacing carapace shield)
- Mummy
- Pharaoh (rare)
- Butterfly Effect
- Flooding
Post by: jmdt on August 24, 2010, 05:02:11 pm
I bet the reason is that the carapace shield could have been replaced by thorn shield in the same thread.Elements 1.21It seems the Thorn Shield thread was miraculously posted two months before the card was added. :o
New cards:
- Phoenix (and Ash)
- Hope
- Fractal
- Thorn Shield (replacing carapace shield)
- Mummy
- Pharaoh (rare)
- Butterfly Effect
- Flooding
This definately looks like a Reliquary candidate.
Post by: miniwally on August 24, 2010, 05:13:33 pm
Post by: Ant-n-ero on August 24, 2010, 05:26:31 pm
It doesn't seem that similar to me, I could only see it being a proper candidate if zanz mentions he was inspired by it. Different name, not a shield, a death card.agreed only the ability is vaugely similar, but there have been other cards I thought were inspired but turns out they weren't, just similar by coincidence...
Post by: miniwally on August 24, 2010, 05:28:52 pm
Post by: Daxx on August 24, 2010, 05:39:17 pm
It doesn't seem that similar to me, I could only see it being a proper candidate if zanz mentions he was inspired by it. Different name, not a shield, a death card.Uh, it is a shield. It was designed for the shield competition. The mechanic is exactly the same as the card that was implemented. The only differences are cosmetic.
But as to whether it directly inspired Zanz, that's a question only he can answer.
Post by: moomoose on October 19, 2010, 11:49:53 am
Post by: Cgnu02 on November 09, 2010, 07:56:36 pm
Post by: kobisjeruk on November 30, 2010, 07:47:59 am
maybe a special forum award icon?
Post by: smuglapse on December 01, 2010, 02:10:41 am
i think reliquary entrants(?) should have a recognization of some sort due to inspiring an in-game cardMaybe there should be a specific board set up to showcase their ideas and how they were implemented in the game. And each card would have a topic devoted to it.
maybe a special forum award icon?
:P
Post by: kobisjeruk on December 01, 2010, 06:40:10 am
i know we already have this Reliquary section to 'commemorate' those that had their ideas made into an actual card but how many that lurks the board actually know about it or even bothered to check here?
having an icon is something that will stay with that user and people will take notice to what its all about
way better than this slightly hidden Wall of Fame imo (not saying this is not working or bad, keep this one as it is but what harm is there in adding an award icon on top of this?)
Post by: coinich on December 01, 2010, 04:29:18 pm
Post by: kobisjeruk on December 01, 2010, 04:38:25 pm
admittedly this subsection has the largest post/topic of the forum but its not everything
the idea is to give recognition beyond this subsection
motivation (or hope as you called it) for others to achieve is already well covered by this, Reliquary
nothing i say or suggested is trying to take away from that, merely adding on top of that
Post by: Mastermind79 on December 09, 2010, 01:33:57 am
Post by: smuglapse on December 09, 2010, 01:39:50 am
When will Crusader and the Cat get in here? I assume once it hits the real game?
It's only put in when it's officially put in the game.8)
Post by: Kuroaitou on December 20, 2010, 08:04:24 am
Post by: migster99 on February 15, 2011, 12:52:30 am
Post by: TimerClock14 on February 15, 2011, 01:02:40 am
When does Mitosis, Ghost of the Past, Acceleration, and Shield coming, they're already in trainer.If/When a card that has been suggested in the forums, is used/adapted in the actual game (not trainer), they will be moved to Reliquary accordingly. Until that happens, they will remain in the polls.
Post by: Boingo on March 10, 2011, 03:31:16 am
Card idea: "Invisibility: Creatures cannot be targeted by opponent for 3 turns"
Actual text on Cloak|Cloak (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17613.0.html): "Your creatures and your permanents are invisible for 3 turns"
Post by: RootRanger on March 10, 2011, 03:46:45 am
Shouldn't wizelsnarf's Veil|Cloak (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6037.0.html) be placed in the reliquary? Same cost, same element, very subtle difference.[00:08:20] Kuroaitou: @zanz: Was cloak inspired by any card found on the forum Zanz? ^^; Just curious.
Card idea: "Invisibility: Creatures cannot be targeted by opponent for 3 turns"
Actual text on Cloak|Cloak (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17613.0.html): "Your creatures and your permanents are invisible for 3 turns"
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[00:09:04] zanzarino: Kuro: no, I had cloak in my list of card to create for a long long time (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17613.msg239934#msg239934)
Post by: Scaredgirl on March 10, 2011, 04:25:46 am
One one hand, the idea was not an inspiration, so it didn't really contribute to anything. On the other hand, the person did design a card idea that made it to the game. Does it even matter whether or not Zanz saw the idea? Shouldn't we reward the person regardless, because he did have a great idea?
To make things worse, there's always a possibility of Zanz using the idea as an inspiration without knowing it.
When we have ideas, those ideas come from something. Our brain uses lots of things like our own experiences, movies, other games, books, etc., and takes pieces from here and there, combining everything to "original idea". It's not that "original" really, because you are most likely using something you saw somewhere else.
It is possible, in theory, that Zanz one day glances at an idea, his brain likes it and stores it somewhere deep in the subconscious. Later when it comes time to develop new cards, Zanz's brain takes that piece of data from the subconscious, but without the knowledge of where it came from. I'm not saying it has happened, I'm only saying it's possible. I know because it happened to me.
I made a card idea once. I thought it was great and I knew it was my original idea. But before I posted it, I saw someone else had done the same exact idea. I then realized that I had seen this idea before! I also realized that since the idea by the other person was so unique, the only possibility was that I had stolen the idea without realizing it! I thought I had come up with the idea myself, when in fact it had been stored in my subconscious.
I'm torn on whether or not identical ideas should be added to the Reliquary. Both solutions have advantages and disadvantages, so it's not an easy question.
Main argument for using the current system is that we know for a fact that the idea helped Elements development. Adding non-inspirational ideas as well could lead to Reliquary spam, because every time we get a new card, the owner of some similar idea would demands it to be added to Reliquary.
Post by: YawnChainHow on March 10, 2011, 05:30:15 am
Post by: RootRanger on March 10, 2011, 05:35:01 am
New cards are added to the Crucible every day.
Every update, more ideas are exhausted and put into cards.
As time passes, new ideas in the Crucible and cards designed by Zanz will become more and more similar to cards already in the game or crucible/forge archive because the amount of possible unique ideas will run out.
Eventually, more and more of Zanz's ideas will be similar to cards in the archives or polls even if Zanz has never seen those cards before.
Finally, after enough updates and time that has passed, the new cards will all look similar to something that already exists.
So should we give recognition to everyone who just happens to come up with an idea that Zanz also happened to come up with? I think not. In the future, dozens of people would claim they have a card that influenced Zanz just because they created a similar idea by sheer luck. Is this what we want to award? No, we should award the people who directly influence Zanz.
Post by: assassim on March 10, 2011, 06:03:14 am
Post by: Jappert on March 10, 2011, 07:42:50 am
If I remember correctly, zanz did say he was thinking of making a cloak card in chat which was posted as an interview under general discussion quite a long time ago..You mean Cloak | Cloak?
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17613.0.html
Sorry for going off topic!
Post by: wizelsnarf on March 10, 2011, 03:22:53 pm
Zanz specifically said my card did not influence him though - despite the nearly identical idea. For me that is the end of it - I was just ahead of my time.
Post by: Zeru on May 02, 2011, 11:08:40 pm
So should we give recognition to everyone who just happens to come up with an idea that Zanz also happened to come up with? I think not. In the future, dozens of people would claim they have a card that influenced Zanz just because they created a similar idea by sheer luck. Is this what we want to award? No, we should award the people who directly influence Zanz.And we simply can ask Zanz whether he was influenced by someone or not.
Post by: Kuroaitou on October 20, 2011, 06:10:16 pm
Post by: SamuraiZach0 on February 19, 2012, 01:47:39 pm
Post by: furballdn on February 19, 2012, 08:03:49 pm
I'm not exactly sure how the votes for new cards works out, and I really don't even know where I should be asking this, but what I wonder is how the voting works. Are the cards from The Forge open to votes for one week, then the top 2, 3 or 4 highest voted ones move on over to The Armory, then the Reliquary? After said cards have been moved/taken out or whatever happens is the voting refreshed and the same cards plus new ones added and voting begins again?Cards are only moved to the Reliquary if they actually become added to the game or inspire a new card that is added to the game.
Post by: The Chosen One on March 21, 2012, 08:02:24 pm
Post by: nickis200 on May 10, 2012, 12:27:44 am
Post by: Heavenscall on June 13, 2012, 09:13:12 pm
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on June 13, 2012, 09:14:22 pm
Particulary very old thread. Whats about that Entropy Shard? Will it replace the SoS? And Minotaur, will come next time?No. Level 4 essentially contains what is the 'prototype' form of the ingame counterpart, so to speak.
Post by: Heavenscall on June 14, 2012, 04:38:02 pm
Level 4 shows the protoype cards of the game. So that cards will be implemented maybe in a slightly changed form? What do you mean with counterpart?
Thank You! ;-)
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on June 14, 2012, 04:46:16 pm
Sorry, english isn´t my first language ?_?...i try to explain, what i understood, correct me if i missunderstoodThe cards are already implemented - the 'prototype' version is the big card you see first, and the smaller cards below the big one are the ingame versions.
Level 4 shows the protoype cards of the game. So that cards will be implemented maybe in a slightly changed form? What do you mean with counterpart?
Thank You! ;-)
Post by: Heavenscall on June 15, 2012, 11:10:40 pm
Post by: odideph on August 08, 2012, 07:27:38 pm
Post by: Kuroaitou on August 08, 2012, 09:00:32 pm
Everybody just loves creatures apparently. Do they feel more real or something?
Not exactly. Most of the time, creatures are implemented because their designs are easier to implement; I imagine that having more creatures in the game allows for more diversity over permanents (and sometimes spells, unless you refer to super-versatile things like Fractal), and thus are often advanced in the polls due to that.
Post by: odideph on August 08, 2012, 09:41:21 pm
Not exactly. Most of the time, creatures are implemented because their designs are easier to implement; I imagine that having more creatures in the game allows for more diversity over permanents (and sometimes spells, unless you refer to super-versatile things like Fractal), and thus are often advanced in the polls due to that.
I see, i'll make sure to remember that. I have yet to submit any creature out of my dozen cards. The reliquary's card type stats are pretty clear, props to whoever made the Shard of Serendipity!
Post by: Drake_XIV on August 08, 2012, 09:42:35 pm
Not exactly. Most of the time, creatures are implemented because their designs are easier to implement; I imagine that having more creatures in the game allows for more diversity over permanents (and sometimes spells, unless you refer to super-versatile things like Fractal), and thus are often advanced in the polls due to that.
I see, i'll make sure to remember that. I have yet to submit any creature out of my dozen cards. The reliquary's card type stats are pretty clear, props to whoever made the Shard of Serendipity!
That's because if a card makes it in, it's pretty balanced already.
Post by: odideph on August 08, 2012, 09:52:21 pm
Not exactly. Most of the time, creatures are implemented because their designs are easier to implement; I imagine that having more creatures in the game allows for more diversity over permanents (and sometimes spells, unless you refer to super-versatile things like Fractal), and thus are often advanced in the polls due to that.
I see, i'll make sure to remember that. I have yet to submit any creature out of my dozen cards. The reliquary's card type stats are pretty clear, props to whoever made the Shard of Serendipity!
That's because if a card makes it in, it's pretty balanced already.
I might not have been explicit enough, my bad, let me rephrase: 75% of Reliquary cards are creatures; 25% (SoSe and Acceleration) are spells, none at all are permanents. That is what i meant by "card type stats".
Post by: shadow303 on December 05, 2012, 02:59:01 pm
It's a pity that the minotaur graphic was not used in the end. I really like the ghost of the past, but the minotaur art also looks like the autor has put a lot of effort into it.
Also I really like how the puppet/vodoo doll is looking in the original image, even though it's only a draft.
Post by: zasdd on December 15, 2012, 05:50:49 am