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Re: Level 4 - Reliquary http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6851.msg214211#msg214211
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2010, 06:40:10 am »
oh being sarcastic (even humorously) does not fit you smuglapse
i know we already have this Reliquary section to 'commemorate' those that had their ideas made into an actual card but how many that lurks the board actually know about it or even bothered to check here?
having an icon is something that will stay with that user and people will take notice to what its all about
way better than this slightly hidden Wall of Fame imo (not saying this is not working or bad, keep this one as it is but what harm is there in adding an award icon on top of this?)

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Re: Level 4 - Reliquary http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6851.msg214427#msg214427
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2010, 04:29:18 pm »
How is this slightly hidden?  The card suggestion area is one of the largest parts of the forum.  Anyone who's serious wants their cards at Level 3 and Level 4, and its the existence of this Reliquary that gives so many people hope.  Hope, kobisjeruk.  Its a powerful thing.

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Re: Level 4 - Reliquary http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6851.msg214433#msg214433
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2010, 04:38:25 pm »
i'm not talking about anyone whos into card ideas and art, i'm talking about the general public
admittedly this subsection has the largest post/topic of the forum but its not everything
the idea is to give recognition beyond this subsection

motivation (or hope as you called it) for others to achieve is already well covered by this, Reliquary
nothing i say or suggested is trying to take away from that, merely adding on top of that

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Re: Level 4 - Reliquary http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6851.msg219884#msg219884
« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2010, 01:33:57 am »
When will Crusader and the Cat get in here? I assume once it hits the real game?

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Re: Level 4 - Reliquary http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6851.msg219894#msg219894
« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2010, 01:39:50 am »
When will Crusader and the Cat get in here? I assume once it hits the real game?
It's only put in when it's officially put in the game.
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Re: Level 4 - Reliquary http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6851.msg229016#msg229016
« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2010, 08:04:24 am »
Schrödinger's Cat & Crusader now have attributions in the Reliquary! :)

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Re: Level 4 - Reliquary http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6851.msg271048#msg271048
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2011, 12:52:30 am »
When does Mitosis, Ghost of the Past, Acceleration, and Shield coming, they're already in trainer.

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Re: Level 4 - Reliquary http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6851.msg271055#msg271055
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2011, 01:02:40 am »
When does Mitosis, Ghost of the Past, Acceleration, and Shield coming, they're already in trainer.
If/When a card that has been suggested in the forums, is used/adapted in the actual game (not trainer), they will be moved to Reliquary accordingly. Until that happens, they will remain in the polls.
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Re: Level 4 - Reliquary http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6851.msg287333#msg287333
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2011, 03:31:16 am »
Shouldn't wizelsnarf's Veil|Cloak (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6037.0.html) be placed in the reliquary?  Same cost, same element, very subtle difference.

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Actual text on Cloak|Cloak (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17613.0.html): "Your creatures and your permanents are invisible for 3 turns"
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Re: Level 4 - Reliquary http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6851.msg287343#msg287343
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2011, 03:46:45 am »
Shouldn't wizelsnarf's Veil|Cloak (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6037.0.html) be placed in the reliquary?  Same cost, same element, very subtle difference.

Card idea: "Invisibility: Creatures cannot be targeted by opponent for 3 turns"

Actual text on Cloak|Cloak (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17613.0.html): "Your creatures and your permanents are invisible for 3 turns"
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Re: Level 4 - Reliquary http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6851.msg287380#msg287380
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2011, 04:25:46 am »
It's a difficult situation when card ideas become a reality, but won't get added to Reliquary because Zanz came up with the same idea on his own.

One one hand, the idea was not an inspiration, so it didn't really contribute to anything. On the other hand, the person did design a card idea that made it to the game. Does it even matter whether or not Zanz saw the idea? Shouldn't we reward the person regardless, because he did have a great idea?

To make things worse, there's always a possibility of Zanz using the idea as an inspiration without knowing it.

When we have ideas, those ideas come from something. Our brain uses lots of things like our own experiences, movies, other games, books, etc., and takes pieces from here and there, combining everything to "original idea". It's not that "original" really, because you are most likely using something you saw somewhere else.

It is possible, in theory, that Zanz one day glances at an idea, his brain likes it and stores it somewhere deep in the subconscious. Later when it comes time to develop new cards, Zanz's brain takes that piece of data from the subconscious, but without the knowledge of where it came from. I'm not saying it has happened, I'm only saying it's possible. I know because it happened to me.

I made a card idea once. I thought it was great and I knew it was my original idea. But before I posted it, I saw someone else had done the same exact idea. I then realized that I had seen this idea before! I also realized that since the idea by the other person was so unique, the only possibility was that I had stolen the idea without realizing it! I thought I had come up with the idea myself, when in fact it had been stored in my subconscious.

I'm torn on whether or not identical ideas should be added to the Reliquary. Both solutions have advantages and disadvantages, so it's not an easy question.

Main argument for using the current system is that we know for a fact that the idea helped Elements development. Adding non-inspirational ideas as well could lead to Reliquary spam, because every time we get a new card, the owner of some similar idea would demands it to be added to Reliquary.

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Re: Level 4 - Reliquary http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6851.msg287410#msg287410
« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2011, 05:30:15 am »
I noticed that in the first post of this thread, all the ideas that made it into the Reliquary are listed nicely. I think a decent compromise for debatable cards (like wizelsnarf's Veil|Cloak) is to get a mention in the first page of this thread, but not have their thread moved into the Reliquary. These mentions could be located after the main list, and spoilered or even put in their own sticky thread under this subsection if they grow too large in number. The creator of the card idea gets a mention, the Reliquary does not flood, and both parties remain happy. Y/N?

 

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