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Re: Graviton Inferno | Graviton Inferno https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13902.msg177391#msg177391
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2010, 03:33:11 am »
Over all I like this idea. It'll give the biggest "mass" element a damage reducer. On one note just because current shields do not have actived abilities does not mean one can't. At least as far as I understand the way the code is writen as described to me by Kael Hate. On the powering up point it's good that it's a different element than the shield it's self. As far as it being OP I don't think so.While it's true that it both builds slowly and has no max cap. There are cards besides CC that can beat it. Like Lava Golem with it's growth ability or one with the ablaze ability as they grow twice as fast as the shield.

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Re: Graviton Inferno | Graviton Inferno https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13902.msg177414#msg177414
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2010, 04:52:33 am »
Over all I like this idea. It'll give the biggest "mass" element a damage reducer. On one note just because current shields do not have actived abilities does not mean one can't. At least as far as I understand the way the code is writen as described to me by Kael Hate. On the powering up point it's good that it's a different element than the shield it's self. As far as it being OP I don't think so.While it's true that it both builds slowly and has no max cap. There are cards besides CC that can beat it. Like Lava Golem with it's growth ability or one with the ablaze ability as they grow twice as fast as the shield.
i agree it can be stopped easily, even though it has no limit, i dont even think it is the strongest shield. fractal some fireflies and play hope, BAM 6+ turns on this card = one turn of hope or even aflatoxin light nymph, boneyard even, my point is this is not the strongest shield in the game and can be easily bypassed. one momentum or chimera and it doesent matter, all shields are like that.

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Re: Graviton Inferno | Graviton Inferno https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13902.msg177448#msg177448
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2010, 05:53:48 am »
Over all I like this idea. It'll give the biggest "mass" element a damage reducer. On one note just because current shields do not have actived abilities does not mean one can't. At least as far as I understand the way the code is writen as described to me by Kael Hate. On the powering up point it's good that it's a different element than the shield it's self. As far as it being OP I don't think so.While it's true that it both builds slowly and has no max cap. There are cards besides CC that can beat it. Like Lava Golem with it's growth ability or one with the ablaze ability as they grow twice as fast as the shield.
i agree it can be stopped easily, even though it has no limit, i dont even think it is the strongest shield. fractal some fireflies and play hope, BAM 6+ turns on this card = one turn of hope or even aflatoxin light nymph, boneyard even, my point is this is not the strongest shield in the game and can be easily bypassed. one momentum or chimera and it doesent matter, all shields are like that.

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Malignant cells have an active ability (infest), so they'd have to be lobo'd before you can use luciferin on them.

Back OT, I think this is a brilliant idea- and if you're so concerned about sparktal + this, then have it require a minimum mass (HP) for creatures that it absorbs- maybe even have it increase with the size (damage reduction) of the shield (maybe something like M=(X/5)+1, rounded down, where M is minimum mass and X is the damage reduction)
(quick math with that formula effectively caps the shield at 2,495 reduction, but you'd need auburn nymphos for that :P)

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Re: Graviton Inferno | Graviton Inferno https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13902.msg177617#msg177617
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2010, 03:09:30 pm »
The point of the shield is to give low-powered creatures a new purpose. The Blue Crawler, Photon, Ash Eater, etc., all have a new use now. The shield doesn't just have synergy with Fire, it has synergy with every creature that originally serves no purpose aside from dealing minimum damage.
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Re: Graviton Inferno | Graviton Inferno https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13902.msg177684#msg177684
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2010, 04:33:18 pm »
I don't see how this shield is OP. First, you need 7 :gravity to play it. Then, lots of small creatures AND :fire to keep growing it. This can be done in a Gravity/Fire duo (sacrifice ash eaters and/or photons, graviton firemasters for damage etc). However, if you want to protect it, you need to include a third element... and trio decks are hard to pull off.

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Re: Graviton Inferno | Graviton Inferno https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13902.msg177686#msg177686
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2010, 04:36:51 pm »
I don't see how this shield is OP. First, you need 7 :gravity to play it. Then, lots of small creatures AND :fire to keep growing it. This can be done in a Gravity/Fire duo (sacrifice ash eaters and/or photons, graviton firemasters for damage etc). However, if you want to protect it, you need to include a third element... and trio decks are hard to pull off.
So just go rainbow, they are easy enough to pull off, 7 :gravity will be gotten sooner or later, and :fire needs only an Elite FFQ to work in rainbows, which generates the creatures to sacrifice as well.

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Re: Graviton Inferno | Graviton Inferno https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13902.msg177996#msg177996
« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2010, 12:38:20 am »
I don't see how this shield is OP. First, you need 7 :gravity to play it. Then, lots of small creatures AND :fire to keep growing it. This can be done in a Gravity/Fire duo (sacrifice ash eaters and/or photons, graviton firemasters for damage etc). However, if you want to protect it, you need to include a third element... and trio decks are hard to pull off.
So just go rainbow, they are easy enough to pull off, 7 :gravity will be gotten sooner or later, and :fire needs only an Elite FFQ to work in rainbows, which generates the creatures to sacrifice as well.
Actually, rainbows are much harder to pull off than you claim, either because your towers decide not to give you the quanta you need, or your deck decides not to give you key cards (not to mention that sundials can be destroyed by anything with PC)

Anyway, I completely disagree that this is OP, I was just giving an option if it does turn out to be so (which I doubt). I think this would best be compared to bonewall, if you're putting it in a rainbow- bonewall blocks 7 attacks completely plus two more per death. One usually wouldn't play bonewall without fire storm, otyugh, and/or sundial close behind, so you've got more charges coming. Usually, once you've got FFQ, druid, one or two otys, boneyard/wall, and eternity out, your bonewall is too high for even a full board to clear- so is bonewall OP? Bonewall is weak to swarms and epinephrine- this shield is weak to growth, ablaze, and PC. PC is easy to deal with- but what would you do against a quinted forest spirit, fire spirit, or lava golem? I might remind you that quinted lava destroyers are common in decks like CCYB, and Elidnis has a habit of quinting spectres. While I agree that this shield could be powerful, you'd need alot of healing to stop yourself from being killed right after playing it, and it takes a long time to get set up. And, of course, there's the universal shield weakness to momentum (though that can be dealt with in several ways)

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Re: Graviton Inferno | Graviton Inferno https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13902.msg178172#msg178172
« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2010, 09:54:00 am »
Is this a rare shield?
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Re: Graviton Inferno | Graviton Inferno https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13902.msg178237#msg178237
« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2010, 12:44:49 pm »
Is this a rare shield?
It better not, rarity is an attribute (so far) given solely by Zanz to balance things. The card should work, either common or rare.
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Re: Graviton Inferno | Graviton Inferno https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13902.msg178302#msg178302
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2010, 02:51:42 pm »
It won't be rare, I suppose. Before it goes for the voting round in Crucible, anyone have some final Nerfs they want, aside from a cap, a reduction every few turns, or higher-health creatures needed after a certain number of creatures sacrificed?
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Re: Graviton Inferno | Graviton Inferno https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13902.msg178327#msg178327
« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2010, 03:28:06 pm »
But I saw someone in the posts say it is a rare shield.
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Re: Graviton Inferno | Graviton Inferno https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13902.msg178417#msg178417
« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2010, 05:16:27 pm »
But I saw someone in the posts say it is a rare shield.
you must have misread, cause nepycros really said,
My friend coined up that it could be a rare shield.
which means it might have a possibility of being rare, but it was just an option, not positively making it rare, just an option

 

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