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« on: July 18, 2015, 08:16:09 pm »
NAME:
Vitality Sage
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
5 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 3
TEXT:
Other creatures you control get +X | +X (Max +3 | +3), where X is their cost.
(Does not stack.)
NAME:
Vitality Sage
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
5 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4 | 4
TEXT:
Other creatures you control get +X | +X (Max +4 | +4), where X is their cost.
(Does not stack.)

ART:
Zblader
IDEA:
Zblader
NOTES:
Originally submitted as "Power Supplier" in Guess My Card. This idea is intended to work well with swarms and OTKs.
SERIES:

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NAME:
Vitality Sage
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
5 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 3
TEXT:
Other creatures you control get +X | +X (Max +3 | +3), where X is their cost.
NAME:
Vitality Sage
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
5 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4 | 4
TEXT:
Other creatures you control get +X | +X (Max +4 | +4), where X is their cost.

ART:
Zblader
IDEA:
Zblader
NOTES:
Originally submitted as "Power Supplier" in Guess My Card. This idea is intended to work well with swarms and OTKs.
SERIES:

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Re: Vitality Sage | Vitality Sage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58930.msg1197446#msg1197446
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2015, 08:22:44 pm »
Looks a little OP. Maybe try costing a quanta per creature or/and making them only gain a max of +1/+1?

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Re: Vitality Sage | Vitality Sage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58930.msg1197457#msg1197457
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2015, 09:02:53 pm »
Looks a little OP. Maybe try costing a quanta per creature or/and making them only gain a max of +1/+1?
+1|+1 would make scaling it with cost pointless.

What it it was a spell instead?

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Re: Vitality Sage | Vitality Sage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58930.msg1197461#msg1197461
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2015, 11:16:43 pm »
A double sky blitz for dragons? No thanks. Ah, there a 4 limit. Then I don't see any uses for it.
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Re: Vitality Sage | Vitality Sage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58930.msg1197462#msg1197462
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2015, 11:29:15 pm »
Is the buff removed when Vitality Sage is killed?

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Re: Vitality Sage | Vitality Sage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58930.msg1197463#msg1197463
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2015, 11:34:47 pm »
Is the buff removed when Vitality Sage is killed?
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Re: Vitality Sage | Vitality Sage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58930.msg1197464#msg1197464
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2015, 11:35:48 pm »
Then, I'd say it's pretty balanced. Nice work.

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Re: Vitality Sage | Vitality Sage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58930.msg1197483#msg1197483
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2015, 03:28:11 am »
Taking the Lord style mass creature buffs(every X gets a +Y|+Y), making it scale, and then capping it for balance. Solid design as expected. Creature was the right choice.

Question: Do these bonuses stack? (I kinda assume they do)

Tests to consider:
Sages buffing Sages deck.
Multibuffing OTK.
Multibuffing Swarm. (6x Frogs, 6x Sages)
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Re: Vitality Sage | Vitality Sage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58930.msg1197485#msg1197485
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2015, 03:44:28 am »
Taking the Lord style mass creature buffs(every X gets a +Y|+Y), making it scale, and then capping it for balance. Solid design as expected. Creature was the right choice.

Question: Do these bonuses stack? (I kinda assume they do)

Tests to consider:
Sages buffing Sages deck.
Multibuffing OTK.
Multibuffing Swarm. (6x Frogs, 6x Sages)
Thank you.

I'll try to set up goldfish decks later if I have time, but just a quick calculation for now:

Unupped:
Fractal w/Cockatrice, assuming 6 are generated and played: 9 :aether  + 18 :life for 6 4 | 4 Sages - 24 net damage per turn
Fractal w/non-Stacking Sages, assuming 6 are generated and played: 9 :aether + 30 :life for 6 6 | 6 (funny coincidence) Sages - 36 net damage per turn
Fractal w/Stacking Sages, assuming 6 are generated and played: 9 :aether + 30 :life for 6 18 | 18 Sages - 108 damage per turn

Upped:
Fractal w/Cockatrice, assuming 6 are generated and played: 9 :aether  + 18 :life for 6 5 | 5 Sages - 30 net damage per turn
Fractal w/non-Stacking Sages, assuming 6 are generated and played: 9 :aether + 30 :life for 6 8 | 8 Sages - 48 net damage per turn
Fractal w/Stacking Sages, assuming 6 are generated and played: 9 :aether + 30 :life for 6 24 | 24 Sages - 144 damage per turn

Combined with the fact Eclipse doesn't stack either and that I wanted Sages to remain vulnerable to some degree of CC, I think having Sages not stack is the much more balanced choice here; I'll update the card with appropriate text when I get the chance.

Currently Fractal Sages in this example is +12 :life for 12 more damage per turn | +12 :life for 18 more damage per turn. I think that is an appropriate gain over Cockatrice.

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Re: Vitality Sage | Vitality Sage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58930.msg1198139#msg1198139
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2015, 03:00:24 am »
increase power and toughness is awesome fun,
but increasing power and toughness frequently
can easily makes the whole game unbalanced like Yu Gi Oh.

Elements have Nightfall card but its have a lot of setbacks to
make it balanced.

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All the death or darkness creatures gain +1/+1

Setbacks:
Nightfall only targets death or darkness creatures.
Nightfall gives only +1/+1 for 3 :darkness

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Re: Vitality Sage | Vitality Sage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58930.msg1198140#msg1198140
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2015, 03:04:19 am »
It's also worth noting that it's a lot easier to remove a single Vitality Sage with CC from almost any element,  weaker creatures will get smaller boosts, and that Life is generally considered a creature-friendly element in terms of cost/stat efficiency.

 

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