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Kiwi | Kiwi http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58231.msg1187837#msg1187837
« on: April 26, 2015, 06:47:36 AM »
NAME:
Kiwi
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
4 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2|4
TEXT:
:time Conform:
Lose 1|1 to stall opponent's field for 1 turn
NAME:
Kiwi
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
4 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3|4
TEXT:
:time Conform:
Lose 1|1 to stall opponent's field for 1 turn

ART:
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NOTES:
  • Conform can be used only once
  • 'No stall effects' means , Sundial,  Procastination, Frozen status (Freeze), Guard skill (Iridium Varden), will not be in effect, creatures attack as normal regardless - SoPa is an exception from this rule

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NAME:
Kiwi
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
4 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2|4
TEXT:
:life Conform:
Lose 1|1 to stall opponent's field for 1 turn
NAME:
Kiwi
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
4 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3|4
TEXT:
:life Conform:
Lose 1|1 to stall opponent's field for 1 turn

ART:
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IDEA:
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(With help from Brawl #4 Meaning of Life - posted with their consent)
NOTES:
ATK does not go into negative by using Conform

Okay people, help me balance this card!  ;)
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Re: Kiwi | Kiwi http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58231.msg1187850#msg1187850
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2015, 08:47:29 AM »
Since :life has Mitosis, this is broken as it is. Make it sacrificing itself when using its ability, reduce its cost to 3 :life and you're golden! ;)
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Re: Kiwi | Kiwi http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58231.msg1187853#msg1187853
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2015, 10:43:58 AM »
That's a bit harsh...

For starters I was thinking of using the suggestion of eljoemo to make it self stall as well so that it can't be chained.

Or, to take it further, to disable all stalling effects for 1 or 2 turns when Conform is used...
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Re: Kiwi | Kiwi http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58231.msg1187854#msg1187854
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2015, 10:47:36 AM »
Perhaps delay all other cards by 1, and delay itself by 2? Hitting ally cards slows down the mitosis lock as well. You're probably going to have lower ATK/DEF, though, regardless, because I can see this being more efficient than Phase Shield and Sundial due to buffs.

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Re: Kiwi | Kiwi http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58231.msg1187856#msg1187856
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2015, 10:53:20 AM »
i really dun understand how can Kiwi stalls opponent,
i mean in a thematic sense.

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Re: Kiwi | Kiwi http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58231.msg1187859#msg1187859
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2015, 10:58:38 AM »
This card was created for a Brawl task 'Design a card based off of a creature from folklore not often used in gaming'

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From here: http://www.kiwinewz.com/html/losewing.htm
 One day, Tanemahuta was walking through the forest. He looked up at his children reaching for the sky and he noticed that they were starting to sicken, as bugs were eating them.

He talked to his brother, Tanehokahoka, who called all of his children, the birds of the air together.

Tanemahuta spoke to them.

"Something is eating my children, the trees. I need one of you to come down from the forest roof and live on the floor, so that my children can be saved, and your home can be saved. Who will come?"

All was quiet, and not a bird spoke.

Tanehokahoka turned to Tui.

"E Tui, will you come down from the forest roof?"

Tui looked up at the trees and saw the sun filtering through the leaves. Tui looked down at the forest floor and saw the cold, dark earth and shuddered.

"Kao, Tanehokahoka, for it is too dark and I am afraid of the dark."

Tanehokahoka turned to Pukeko.

"Pukeko, will you come down from the forest roof?"

Pukeko looked down at the forest floor and saw the cold, damp earth and shuddered.

"Kao, Tanehokahoka, for it is too damp and I do not want to get my feet wet."

All was quiet, and not a bird spoke.
   

Tanehokahoka turned to Pipiwharauroa.

"Pipiwharauroa, will you come down from the forest roof?"

Pipiwharauroa looked up at the trees and saw the sun filtering through the leaves. Pipiwharauroa looked around and saw his family.

"Kao, Tanehokahoka, for I am busy at the moment building my nest."

All was quiet, and not a bird spoke. And great was the sadness in the heart of Tanehokahoka, for he knew, that if one of his children did not come down from the forest roof, not only would his brother loose his children, but the birds would have no home.

Tanehokahoka turned to Kiwi.

"E kiwi, will you come down from the forest roof?"

Kiwi looked up at the trees and saw the sun filtering through the leaves. Kiwi looked around and saw his family. Kiwi looked at the cold damp earth. Looking around once more, he turned to Tanehokahoka and said,

"I will."

Great was the joy in the hearts of Tanehokahoka and Tanemahuta, for this little bird was giving them hope. But Tanemahuta felt that he should warn kiwi of what would happen.

"E kiwi, do you realise that if you do this, you will have to grow thick, strong legs so that you can rip apart the logs on the ground and you will loose your beautiful coloured feathers and wings so that you will never be able to return to the forest roof. You will never see the light on day again."

All was quiet, and not a bird spoke.

"E kiwi, will you come down from the forest roof?"

Kiwi took one last look at the sun filtering through the trees and said a silent goodbye. Kiwi took one last look at the other birds, their wings and their coloured feathers and said a silent goodbye. Looking around once more, he turned to Tanehokahoka and said,

"I will."

Then Tanehokahoka turned to the other birds and said,

"E Tui, because you were too scared to come down from the forest roof, from now on you will wear the two white feathers at your throat as the mark of a coward.

Pukeko, because you did not want to get your feet wet, you will live forever in the swamp.

Pipiwharauroa, because you were too busy building your nest, from now on you will never build another nest again, but lay your eggs in other birds nests.

But you kiwi, because of your great sacrifice, you will become the most well known and most loved bird of them all."

In short, Kiwi gave up its wings to get rid of the vermin in the forest. So the card loses some of its power in order to prevent the opponents creatures to harm you
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Re: Kiwi | Kiwi http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58231.msg1187871#msg1187871
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2015, 02:57:05 PM »
As it stands kiwi + SoPa is a permanent lock unless your opponent has lobo, RT or can kill it as it hits the board (or has to waste a lot of CC in only one card, that you may have more copies).

Remember that adrenaline mitigates the delay effect. Mitosis being in element also makes it hard to find a suitable nerf (even if you change conform to be a one time ability like lycanthropy you can still use mitosis to spam the effect for a higher price).
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Re: Kiwi | Kiwi http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58231.msg1187872#msg1187872
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2015, 03:10:07 PM »
Modified a bit.
  • Skill can be used only once
  • Requires  :life- :time duo
  • Cannot be chained
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Re: Kiwi | Kiwi http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58231.msg1187874#msg1187874
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2015, 03:24:09 PM »
Will the creatures that are frozen or BB'd have their delayed counters go down while they attack? Or does it stop the counter? Will the creature go back to its delayed state afterwards?
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Re: Kiwi | Kiwi http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58231.msg1187876#msg1187876
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2015, 03:29:37 PM »
Will the creatures that are frozen or BB'd have their delayed counters go down while they attack? Or does it stop the counter? Will the creature go back to its delayed state afterwards?

I guess you refer to the 'unstalled' turn.
Yes, counter will go down as there was a turn in the game. Adrenalined creatures will of course have the appropriate amount of turns go down.
Yes, if the creature was delayed for multiple turns, only one counter goes down. At the end of the 'unstalled' turn it goes back to Delayed
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If I use conform on turn 1 and a dial on turn 2, does the stasis from the dial work normally?
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Re: Kiwi | Kiwi http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58231.msg1187878#msg1187878
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2015, 03:56:50 PM »
If I use conform on turn 1 and a dial on turn 2, does the stasis from the dial work normally?

So Turn 0 you cast Kiwi. T1 you use Conform, and in T2 you cast Sundial? In this case no, Sundial would just be there looking pretty. Of course you can still use it to draw cards or as PC bait.

Turn 0 you cast Kiwi. T1 you use Conform, and in T3 you cast Sundial? Works as intended. Same goes for casting Sundial in T1 (but nobody would do that, unless for drawing)
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