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Butter Pest https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44583.msg1013970#msg1013970
« on: November 07, 2012, 09:35:24 pm »
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Very slow deck.
Notice that the SN most of the times can only power 2 Mitosis in one game. The second one is meant to be used on a Dragon together with SoR. That way BE can still be used.
In fact, in early game everything must be focused to lockdown. Shield and Dagger to slow enemy down and recover from initial damage. Mostly weak against rush decks and early CC.

I was thinking of replacing Towers with Pends and :life mark. Then changing dragons with Abominations --> Gives room for feral Bonds --> Better recovery and defense against already played creatures.

No SoR needed after lockdown.

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Re: Butter Pest https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44583.msg1013987#msg1013987
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2012, 10:31:11 pm »
Why not do mito Obsidian Dragon's instead? You'll have plenty of  :darkness quanta from dem mito pests. In fact, you could probably take out the entropy part of this entirely, darkness mark, a few life pendulums, steals instead of BE, a few more SoR if you feel tight on quanta...
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Re: Butter Pest https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44583.msg1014016#msg1014016
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2012, 12:55:21 am »
Agreed with Elbirn, remove  :entropy. Could add eclipse, more  :life cards, pendulums, obsidian dragons. Steals (or SoFo  :P) instead of BE.
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Re: Butter Pest https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44583.msg1014124#msg1014124
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2012, 03:17:37 pm »
Why not do mito Obsidian Dragon's instead? You'll have plenty of  :darkness quanta from dem mito pests. In fact, you could probably take out the entropy part of this entirely, darkness mark, a few life pendulums, steals instead of BE, a few more SoR if you feel tight on quanta...

Agreed with Elbirn, remove  :entropy. Could add eclipse, more  :life cards, pendulums, obsidian dragons. Steals (or SoFo  :P) instead of BE.

I agree. Obsidian is better. It was a duo in the beginning, didn't think of it while changing >.<
However, I want to make use of BE, therefore no :entropy will be removed ;)
I'll try out some other ideas I have :)

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Re: Butter Pest https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44583.msg1014141#msg1014141
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2012, 04:22:17 pm »
I spent a little while tweaking this, and wound up with something radically different...And also not very effective.

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Posting it for inspiration, I spose. Mostly I just don't want to feel like all of my hard work was a waste. xD
I figured the focus should be on the pests, since they're the denial aspect of this deck and the BE targets. If pests are the target, and you're going to have lots of them..Why not add in eclipse and make the pests the damage source?

Other experiments included using werewolves instead of dragons (dat  :entropy :darkness synergy) and adding feral bonds.

The problem as I see it as that you're making a trio, but the  :entropy card that you want to be a main focus isn't necessary. I do think BE is a really underrated card, but this isn't a case where it shines. First off, you can just use steals to accomplish the same objective. Or (if you feel like being awful) SoFo. Also, you only really need 2 at most for draw chance, even then I never played a second BE in any of my games. So the only needed  :entropy part is the BE..That's a lot of excess  :entropy quanta. But you can't just splash it in there with the mark, because it's too expensive, and the deck relies on pendulums, so it'd screw the whole thing. I suppose a turn 4 BE wouldn't be that bad considering this deck (from what I saw, and also including my variants) takes about 10 TTW anyway. But an efficient deck should be able to win in 7 or so.

*Rubs temples* I'm not entirely sure what the answer here is. 'Tis certainly a challenge.
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Re: Butter Pest https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44583.msg1014146#msg1014146
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2012, 04:46:18 pm »
Very good argumentation. And also the deck works nicely. I changed it a little to my liking :)

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Dragons because you have excess :darkness. Antimatter in case of bad draws, so you can stall and/or late game healing. I agree that BE are quite useless since Steal could do more or less the same job.

*Rubs temples* I'm not entirely sure what the answer here is. 'Tis certainly a challenge.

I'm gonna build a :light stall with RoL. BE will be used on them to destroy pillars + Antimatter on creatures already played. With no more quanta generator you can win with deckout. Or maybe adding some dragons. No shields or CC can harm you by then :D
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Re: Butter Pest https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44583.msg1014147#msg1014147
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2012, 04:51:40 pm »
RoL Denial?  I'd play that.

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Re: Butter Pest https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44583.msg1014263#msg1014263
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2012, 12:21:22 pm »
Devtosis is rather slow denial because it's constant and not bursty like Devtal or DisQuake. This means your opponent will be able to play early stuff. Since this means they can rush or get their CC out, you need an answer to that. The most obvious thing seems to be to have Quicksands since they fit perfectly into the deck and you have Snovas and can't use BE's very quickly. -2 BE, +2 Quicksands seems rational.
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