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marioNweed

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Eternal Flame charge deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8755.msg101989#msg101989
« on: June 27, 2010, 05:25:37 am »
Now before anyone here posts on how this deck is bloated, or needs to be reduced, or is too slow, listen. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE BIG. this is a charge deck, take your time to build up, and hit for massive damage at once. now then any suggestons, not reffering to deck size or speed is thuroghly *spell check please* welcome.

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also, i am in the progress of upgradeing it, i do know that it will be alot better fully uped.
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unionruler

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Re: Eternal Flame charge deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8755.msg102071#msg102071
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2010, 10:16:38 am »
Now before anyone here posts on how this deck is bloated, or needs to be reduced, or is too slow, listen. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE BIG. this is a charge deck, take your time to build up, and hit for massive damage at once. now then any suggestons, not reffering to deck size or speed is thuroghly *spell check please* welcome.
Please explain, in that case, why your deck does its work more efficiently than a smaller fractal-cremation-phoenix deck.

Even if I were to ignore those points, I would criticize your deck on focusedness. Look at the scattered cards you have--1 fire buckler, 1 RoF, 2 bolts, 1 deflagration (only?!). Perhaps the fahrenheit is slightly more justified in that you wait before you fractal, but I don't like it in a fractal-phoenix.

Your quanta spread is also...bad.  :aether is really unreliable there, with 5 pillars and 3 fractals in 40 cards. The times that you survive long enough to fractal an unupped phoenix and play all its copies, you would probably have been able to kill your opponent earlier had you been using more reliable deck fractaling minor phoenixes and exploding the shield in your way. Fractal decks need lots of reliability in terms of deck ratios, unless you have lots of regen and stalling, like say fractal anything. You have 0 regen to complement your fire buckler, if you do draw it in the first place.

Usually I recommend modifications, but your initial post comes across as hostile to that--if you want me to calibrate it to an inevitably smaller size, I'd be happy to assist though.

marioNweed

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Re: Eternal Flame charge deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8755.msg102125#msg102125
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2010, 12:41:54 pm »
point takin. ive thought about adding another deflag but so far the deck has worked just fine. i have no trouble drawing cards at all. the reason i used such large letters is because i am quite tired of haveing everyone talk about how a deck is to large if its over 30 cards, and to be honest i didnt want this to be 20 posts on how i should bring it down to that size. but i would like to see your model of this deck. and think you for being civil  :)

unionruler

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Re: Eternal Flame charge deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8755.msg102130#msg102130
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2010, 12:59:34 pm »
because i am quite tired of haveing everyone talk about how a deck is to large if its over 30 cards, and to be honest i didnt want this to be 20 posts on how i should bring it down to that size. but i would like to see your model of this deck. and think you for being civil  :)
ah i see where you're coming from. sorry i misinterpreted i did see that but i thought it was more of wanting to avoid the criticism. sorry if i came across a bit strongly--i'm a bit sensitive with regards to fractal decks and how they're calibrated haha, and you're definitely not the first to be on the receiving end. thanks for being accepting too  :)

anyway i was puzzling over it at dinner--how to make a good mixed phoenix deck with immos for the upped and fractal for whichever is best in the given situation. at the moment im thinking of something like this:

6x immolation (naturally)
4x minor phoenix, 2x phoenix
3x ball lightning (these should be upped. can be immo-ed or fractaled)
3x explosion
3x fractal
4x  :aether pillar
6x  :fire pillar
Mark of  :aether

Not sure if this is slightly tight on the  :fire quanta, or if it's a little slow since the immolations don't work all at once...have to wait for the phoenix to pop back up.  I hope you can see what I mean by reliability though--this should give you one early  :aether pillar which plus the mark hopefully will allow you to fractal in 5 or 6 turns to secure a win.

marioNweed

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Re: Eternal Flame charge deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8755.msg102133#msg102133
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2010, 01:08:19 pm »
many thanks, ill work with it an see how it works. ill have to wait on the 4x minor tho cuz i only have the two, but those were already my idea to upgrade first, speed of course. but i can see a large diffrence in how spacing is as well. so thank you agin.

*edit* I've played with it a few times and is very tight with :fire

 

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