Mass-CC

[BeefSupreme]

Spoiler for Mass CC:

Thunderstorm: Deals 2 damage to every enemy creature.
Rain of Fire: Deals 3 damages toevery enemy creature. Removes invisibility.
Pandemonium: A random effect is inflicted to every creature on the field. Removes invisibility.
Retrovirus: Sacrifice Retrovirus to inflict 1 damage per round to every enemy creature.
Plague: Infect every enemy creature (Inflicts +1 poison on every enemy creature). Removes invisibility.

So, my question is, why are immaterial creatures (Phase Dragon, Immortal, etc.) exempt from this rule?

Let's take a look at the definition of "Immaterial" as declared by zanzarino and by Merriam-Webster.

zanz's definition: Creature can not be targeted.
Merriam-Webster definition: Not consisting of matter.

Now, it would make sense if a being that did not consist of matter wasn't affected by Rain of Fire or Plague, but a creature that "can not be targeted" should be. Let's use a metaphor:
If you're going to bomb a town, are you targeting every human in that town individually? No. You're targeting the town as a whole. Using the definition "can not be targeted," the humans that "can not be targeted" should still be killed because, although they weren't targeted by the bomb, they died in the impact.

So, I propose that Mass-CC either has an effect on immaterial creatures, or zanz's definition of "Immaterial" needs to change, because logically, it does not make sense for being that "can not be targeted" to not be affected by mass-CC.

[dragtom]

you forgot to include dry spell (and maybe flooding?) edit: and unstable gas

thematically, this is why SoFr does not allow evading multi-target spells.
however, if you 'spray and pray' with a gun in a room full of immaterial creatures, you won't hit any of them: your bullets just go straight through.

I have never seen an immaterial creature in real life, so i do not know if it actually reacts to lightning or fire.

[dawn to dusk]

Interesting way to describe mass CC, blow everyone up          -_-

Make it change to 'i made an epic flower picking machine that picks all flowers at the same time without individually targeting them. Immaterial flowers should be affected.

[ARTHANASIOS]

I agree that mass-CC should affect even burrowed and immaterial creatures. After all, since mass buffs like SoPa and Nightfall affect even burrowed/immaterial creatures, also mass "nerfs" (mass-CC in other words) should affect them. Actually, all shields are a form mass-CC, that's why they can affect untargetable creatures in the first place, don't they?

[BeefSupreme]

I agree that mass-CC should affect even burrowed and immaterial creatures. After all, since mass buffs like SoPa and Nightfall affect even burrowed/immaterial creatures, also mass "nerfs" (mass-CC in other words) should affect them. Actually, all shields are a form mass-CC, that's why they can affect untargetable creatures in the first place, don't they?

Agreed. If the definition one is chosen, then zanz will also have to change what mass-CC cards say: "all creatures" because it does not affect all creatures; it doesn't affect immaterial creatures. Very misleading.

however, if you 'spray and pray' with a gun in a room full of immaterial creatures, you won't hit any of them: your bullets just go straight through.

False. The definition of Immaterial as give by zanz would imply that you can "spray and pray," but you can't shoot the gun directly at any one person (i.e. targeting them).

[dragtom]

however, if you 'spray and pray' with a gun in a room full of immaterial creatures, you won't hit any of them: your bullets just go straight through.

False. The definition of Immaterial as give by zanz would imply that you can "spray and pray," but you can't shoot the gun directly at any one person (i.e. targeting them).

but Merriam-Webster sais I'm right.

to prevent spamming, ill just edit this post.
you didn't quote enough

thematically, this is why SoFr does not allow evading multi-target spells.
however, if you 'spray and pray' with a gun in a room full of immaterial creatures, you won't hit any of them: your bullets just go straight through.

[BeefSupreme]

however, if you 'spray and pray' with a gun in a room full of immaterial creatures, you won't hit any of them: your bullets just go straight through.

False. The definition of Immaterial as give by zanz would imply that you can "spray and pray," but you can't shoot the gun directly at any one person (i.e. targeting them).

but Merriam-Webster sais I'm right.

Congrats, but we aren't talking about the Merriam-Webster definition in this context. If that was what zanz was using, then we'd be talking about it, but I just put it there for reference and comparison.

[Pineapple]

Personally, i find the "fix the wording" section of this thread slightly off-topic as this is the "Buff This Card!" board, but here's my schtick anyways:

Spoiler for off-topic:

Why would Rain of Fire or Plague, by the text in its description, work anything like a bomb? Let's actually make our metaphors analogous: If you're going to bomb a town, then all the creatures not in that town but in a separate dimension, phased out, or immortal will not be killed by the bomb.

You're arguing about the wrong definition. Look up the definition of the verb "to target". It doesn't say anything about a red cross-hair showing up, waiting for you to click on it before the effect that targets does 3 damage to the target. Thus, you can only, and quite logically I must add, assume that "to target" is a keyword specific to the game. Now, if you define "to target" as "to select the card on the field" while maintaining the notion that "for an effect to affect a card it must first be selected", and I should remind you that this notion is one actually corroborated by the programming behind the scenes and the animations displayed on the GUI.

If you take this definition into account, then everything makes sense.

Anyways, I actually agree with the buff that AoE should affect Immaterial creatures, simply because shields are not enough of a counter. However, this might be too big a buff for AoEs.

[Chapuz]

Mass CC cards actually TARGET all the creatures automatically.
And yes, it would be a good buff

[Zergva]

First, I almost cried at these false examples. The plane bombarding is everything, but not mass effect. There's a lot of factor, what they count (popularity, infrastructure, priority). No one will bombard an empty field (except by coincidence). Napalm or nuclear bomb can be the same as mass effect. The all-flower gathering machine not known, how it works, so it can target or not by the way it works (you can target all or target a region of flowers).

And I don't really get why burrowed creatures should be affected by RoF (they are literally in the underground, so they are defended against fire from the sky).

I've said it earlier in an other topic, the matter with the immortality that it's doesn't works as it written on them. But that's only wording problem.
"This creature can't be targeted"->"This card can't be affected directly"
And everything comes clear. SoFr gives creatures defense against targeting, but immaterial creatures just doesn't contain any matter to harm (after all, I don't get why they shouldn't Rewinded).

[Naesala]

I agree this should be redefined, much like Jade shield and reflective shield need redefined so that they accurately show some spells arent reflected.

IMO, this is something that should take Zanz minimal time and hopefully will be in the next patch.

[Silux]

skeleton shield and permafrost shield are effective ways to deal with immaterials.
Quintessence is here to have a bit of breath from all the rains of bolts and fire that are in the battlefield!

Currently mass CC actually target all of the creaturs, going in the slot number order.