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Lich | Grand Lich https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49701.msg1077627#msg1077627
« on: June 05, 2013, 08:58:20 pm »
NAME:
Lich
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
8 :death
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
6 | 10
TEXT:
:darkness :darkness : Drain Life - Transfers 2 HP's / 10 :darkness quanta from the target to your HP.
Lich loses same amount of HP.
NAME:
Grand Lich
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
8 :death
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
6 | 14
TEXT:
:darkness :darkness : Siphon Life - Transfers 2 HP's / 10 :darkness quanta from the target to your HP.
Lich loses same amount of HP.

ART:
Aneninen
IDEA:
Aneninen
NOTES:
It works like a multiple Drain Life... for a time. Since every time the Lich uses the spell it loses HP after a few Drain Lives you'll lose the Lich itself. (In addition, the more you activate the skill the more vulnerable the Creature will be to Control cards...)
It is possible to heal or buff the Lich but, with the exception of Eclipse such a cards are in other elements, so, for a more durable creature you need at least a trio deck.
Also, the card itself is expensive.

It should be (though, not must be) a Rare card as well; some elements have an additional Rare (eg. Miracle, Pharaoh) and I suppose all elements should have one of them.
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Additional Rarities
« Last Edit: June 07, 2013, 11:35:14 am by Aneninen »
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Re: Lich | Grand Lich https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49701.msg1077630#msg1077630
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2013, 09:03:40 pm »
The only reusable CC that I currently see as balanced is Owl's Eye.

Also, how does the upped differ from the unupped?

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Re: Lich | Grand Lich https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49701.msg1077632#msg1077632
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2013, 09:05:41 pm »
Reverse Time or the Freeze/Shockwave combo excluded, this has the chance for highest CC clearance in the game, with a max damage of 16 PER USE. This is better than any Vampire ability out there, and functions as CC or against the opponent. That kind of power is way too much. On top of incredible stats that only get more from Eclipse... Well, I don't like it. It would upset the game too much. Entire decks would need to be made to stop just a Lich swarm deck in order to see that it doesn't get too popular.
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Re: Lich | Grand Lich https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49701.msg1077634#msg1077634
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2013, 09:07:45 pm »
The only reusable CC that I currently see as balanced is Owl's Eye.

Also, how does the upped differ from the unupped?

The suggestions of others helped in balancing many other cards as well. ^_^

The difference is the skill cost.


Nepycros: what if only Creatuers can be targeted?
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Re: Lich | Grand Lich https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49701.msg1077635#msg1077635
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2013, 09:09:52 pm »
The only reusable CC that I currently see as balanced is Owl's Eye.

Also, how does the upped differ from the unupped?

The suggestions of others helped in balancing many other cards as well. ^_^

The difference is the skill cost.


Nepycros: what if only Creatuers can be targeted?

Even so, this tops Eagle's Eye in almost every way. An extra 3 quanta cost and an off-element skill don't make up for the fact that you can inflict 16 damage to any Creature per Lich per turn. And the 16 damage is returned to you as healing. It's a net gain of, at minimum, 4, and maximum, 32. The cost is made up for using this and Soul Catchers, so you could fuel a Fractal Lich deck with them.
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Re: Lich | Grand Lich https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49701.msg1077651#msg1077651
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2013, 10:00:36 pm »
Mmm-hmmm. Let me reconsider it, I'll find out something soon.
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Re: Lich | Grand Lich https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49701.msg1077737#msg1077737
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2013, 03:11:10 am »
So just 1 :darkness reduced of the skill cost for the upped? You should buff it or nerf the unupped one ;p

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Re: Lich | Grand Lich https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49701.msg1077743#msg1077743
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2013, 03:37:39 am »
So just 1 :darkness reduced of the skill cost for the upped? You should buff it or nerf the unupped one ;p

A buff is the last thing this card needs. The overall net gain from the card overshadows every other CC card in the game, either through reusability (tops Eternity for health retruned) to damage dealt (most Lances are one-shot).
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Re: Lich | Grand Lich https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49701.msg1077772#msg1077772
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2013, 06:42:55 am »
No, we won't buff it. ^_^

Nerf idea: HP is raised to 12 but, the Lich loses the same amount of HP it drained. This will make you think twice spamming that skill.
In other words: if you're short of  :darkness you can perform weak attacks for a while, or, with plenty of  :darkness you can take out almost any creature but, you'll lose the Lich too.
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Re: Lich | Grand Lich https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49701.msg1077773#msg1077773
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2013, 06:45:29 am »
No, we won't buff it. ^_^

Nerf idea: HP is raised to 12 but, the Lich loses the same amount of HP it drained. This will make you think twice spamming that skill.
In other words: if you're short of  :darkness you can perform weak attacks for a while, or, with plenty of  :darkness you can take out almost any creature but, you'll lose the Lich too.

It works in theory, but that could make it go UP. I guess it all depends on if there are any playtesters about.
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Re: Lich | Grand Lich https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49701.msg1077942#msg1077942
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2013, 09:13:15 pm »
That would actually be balanced, as long as you could heal it.

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Re: Lich | Grand Lich https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49701.msg1078037#msg1078037
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2013, 11:35:47 am »
It's modified.
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