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Decks with no zero-cost cards? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47529.msg1049196#msg1049196
« on: March 07, 2013, 06:52:50 pm »
RR got me thinking about this - how good of a deck can be made without any zero-cost cards at all? In other words, no pillars, no pends, no immo, no nova. Also, no shards, otherwise Dm1321 made an efficient SoI deck that would fit the bill.

Challenge: design a freeless (no free cards) deck that can beat AI3 >50% of the time. Upped cards and cards with other quanta cost are allowed. ;)

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Re: Decks with no zero-cost cards? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47529.msg1049205#msg1049205
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2013, 07:18:33 pm »
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Re: Decks with no zero-cost cards? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47529.msg1049218#msg1049218
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2013, 08:31:46 pm »
Tried to build a completely unupped one. Got 7 wins, 6 losses in AI3. I'm actully a bit surprised.

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Re: Decks with no zero-cost cards? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47529.msg1049228#msg1049228
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2013, 08:43:46 pm »
Or a SNova deck based off the mark...

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Re: Decks with no zero-cost cards? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47529.msg1050025#msg1050025
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2013, 03:20:00 pm »
I have this deck it has a reasonable winrate but unfortunately it can be very vulnerable to rng

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with the right draw it averages 9ttw
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Re: Decks with no zero-cost cards? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47529.msg1050028#msg1050028
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8-2 in my 10 game test vs AI3.  Lost to the pandevoodoo and the rainbow deck once each.  Play pests ASAP, then play other cards according to what you're facing.  Discard steals, nightmares, and any extra dagger/AW on your first two turns, depending on what you're facing again.

edit: Oh, yeah, and it had 2 EMs too.

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Re: Decks with no zero-cost cards? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47529.msg1050030#msg1050030
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8-2, lost to pandevoodoo and rage pot dolls.  Also won the 10th game by incredible SoFr + epic topdeck RNG hax vs the entropy/life fallen elf deck; I didn't deserve that one :p

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Re: Decks with no zero-cost cards? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47529.msg1050034#msg1050034
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2013, 04:28:05 pm »
I once made such a deck for Elemental Engineers competition with the same theme.
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Re: Decks with no zero-cost cards? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47529.msg1050038#msg1050038
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8-2; lost to fallen elf deck (mutation > shard golem) and the steam machine deck.  Had a couple 6 ttw games.

The one ARTHANASIOS posted kinda looks like one of my next two ideas that I had, but I don't think I'll actually build today.  I was going to do something luciferase-based, but I wasn't thinking of deja vus.  I was thinking of using cheap life creatures and rustlers and then luciferase the frogs and use the rustlers to get quanta.  The other deck I was thinking of was simply a straight up 30 shard deck with shard of integrity. (or 24 + 6 gnomes or whatever)

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8-2; lost to fallen elf deck (mutation > shard golem) and the steam machine deck.  Had a couple 6 ttw games.

The one ARTHANASIOS posted kinda looks like one of my next two ideas that I had, but I don't think I'll actually build today.  I was going to do something luciferase-based, but I wasn't thinking of deja vus.  I was thinking of using cheap life creatures and rustlers and then luciferase the frogs and use the rustlers to get quanta.  The other deck I was thinking of was simply a straight up 30 shard deck with shard of integrity. (or 24 + 6 gnomes or whatever)

RR got me thinking about this - how good of a deck can be made without any zero-cost cards at all? In other words, no pillars, no pends, no immo, no nova. Also, no shards, otherwise Dm1321 made an efficient SoI deck that would fit the bill.

Challenge: design a freeless (no free cards) deck that can beat AI3 >50% of the time. Upped cards and cards with other quanta cost are allowed. ;)

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Re: Decks with no zero-cost cards? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47529.msg1050180#msg1050180
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2013, 08:42:54 am »
This is a REALLY neat challenge! Totally gonna throw my hat in the ring, when I have more time.  :D
Erm...um...yeah...

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Re: Decks with no zero-cost cards? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47529.msg1050228#msg1050228
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2013, 04:57:37 pm »
Alright, here's my contribution:

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It's loosely inspired by a deck uploaded to the wiki AGES ago called "Glowy Blobs" by Merawder--I don't think he/she is active anymore.

Out of 20 games, it got 12 wins and one or two EMs. The deck is pretty far from spectacular and loses quite easily if it's not fast enough, which is a lot of the time, as the damage output is kind of...well...low. It technically did better than 50% however, so I'm posting it!  ;D

Also, you can pretty much tell when a game is lost, so that can be a plus or a minus, depending on how you look at it. You could probably figure out which AI3 decks are playable if you really wanted to, but as far as I know, people generally don't farm AI3 with decks that have to skip certain opponents, so yeah...that would be pretty pointless to figure out.

Yeah...I'll see if I can come up with any others later. ^_^;
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