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Chroniton Scavenger | Tachyon Scavenger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47039.msg1044243#msg1044243
« on: February 19, 2013, 07:54:58 pm »
NAME:
Chroniton Scavenger
ELEMENT:
Time
COST:
1 :time
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0|3
TEXT:
Generate :time if discarded
Time Catcher: Generate
:time :time :time whenever a card is discarded from hand or deck
NAME:
Tachyon Scavenger
ELEMENT:
Time
COST:
1
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0|3
TEXT:
Generate :time if discarded
Time Catcher: Generate
:time :time :time whenever a card is discarded from hand or deck

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NOTES:
Take your time today
"Use your time wisely, toil while others dawdle. Their lost time will be your gain."


Time could benefit from a quanta generating creature of some sort. However, I wanted something a little more unique than the standard production method.
Making use of discard effects to power time seems like a logical choice since card advantage and hand / deck manipulation are part of the element's core theme and makes for a fun twist to powering quanta production.

It should make a nice creature based complement to death's soul catcher card.

This could be a very fun mechanic and should couple nicely with time's rapid drawing capabilities as well as pairing well with the popular GoTP-mare combo.

I'm thinking of extending this theme as a card series eventually, but I may not get up to a full 6 card series for a while. Any ideas for other cards in the series are welcome.
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« Last Edit: February 20, 2013, 10:06:37 pm by OdinVanguard »
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Re: Chroniton Scavanger | Tachyon Scavanger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47039.msg1044258#msg1044258
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2013, 08:12:31 pm »
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Re: Chroniton Scavanger | Tachyon Scavanger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47039.msg1044264#msg1044264
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2013, 08:20:26 pm »
« Last Edit: February 19, 2013, 08:23:35 pm by OdinVanguard »
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Re: Chroniton Scavanger | Tachyon Scavanger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47039.msg1044272#msg1044272
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Re: Chroniton Scavanger | Tachyon Scavanger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47039.msg1044279#msg1044279
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2013, 08:40:37 pm »
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Ok... I think that should be correct now. Pardon my atrocious typo's.
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Re: Chroniton Scavanger | Tachyon Scavanger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47039.msg1044590#msg1044590
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2013, 06:15:00 pm »
looking at the other cards in this at the time of posting, proto-series, I was wondering at just making a card that does something when a discard happens, as opposed to facilitating it/being useful when discarded.
Perhaps various time-related triggered ability/discard uses could be implemented, like a time creature that's useful to get, when discarded or used.
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Re: Chroniton Scavanger | Tachyon Scavanger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47039.msg1044601#msg1044601
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2013, 06:34:53 pm »
looking at the other cards in this at the time of posting, proto-series, I was wondering at just making a card that does something when a discard happens, as opposed to facilitating it/being useful when discarded.
So something like this one, but without the "Generate :time when discarded" part? ... I could do that, I have it in there now, because it gives an added perk to make cards in the series work well as discard targets to tie things together
Perhaps various time-related triggered ability/discard uses could be implemented, like a time creature that's useful to get, when discarded or used.
I'm not quite following what you mean by that. Could you give an example?
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Re: Chroniton Scavanger | Tachyon Scavanger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47039.msg1044604#msg1044604
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2013, 06:41:06 pm »
basically, something like this:
Doubt/Dread
3 :time
3/3 creature
discard to gain 5 Life.
This is a simplified version of what I mean, use the discard effect to make a card that almost could be thought of as a spell OR a creature.
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Re: Chroniton Scavanger | Tachyon Scavanger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47039.msg1044659#msg1044659
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2013, 09:48:22 pm »
Ah, I see. This is certainly an option as well.

I believe there have been a few discussions on this type of thing in design theory section already.

The types of effects that are available here are limited, but there are still many.
The biggest issue is that they need to be "targeting free" e.g. the effect should not require a player to target anything. Otherwise there will be complications.

Also, the effects should be low key / balanced enough that they could be used as a low / rainbow cost card.

There are a couple issues there:

1) Having a card cause a specified effect on discard is akin to giving that same effect to 0 cost card.
-One big difference here is that players will have to weigh using the free discard effect against the benefits of casting the card itself.
-This heavily limits how powerful the discard effect can be without making it overpowered

2) Since "discard cast spells" are effectively zero cost, it is important to be careful about stepping on the toes of other elements.
-E.g. any card that is "cast" by discarding can be splashed into any deck regardless of what element the card is or what quanta the deck has available.

Producing 1 :time on discard is low key, but is also versatile, and element specific.
Any other "discard to cast" spell effects need to be similarly balanced.

I'll have to mull over my options a bit.
I think this may be a good discussion to move to the design theory section.
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Re: Chroniton Scavanger | Tachyon Scavanger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47039.msg1044662#msg1044662
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Thread title still isn't fixed.

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Re: Chroniton Scavenger | Tachyon Scavenger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47039.msg1044666#msg1044666
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2013, 10:06:46 pm »
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Whether the glass is half full or half empty is a moot point. It is always filled to the brim. It is only a matter of by what. The real question is: What fills you?
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