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Massive Charge | Massive Assault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46888.msg1042384#msg1042384
« on: February 14, 2013, 06:13:38 pm »
NAME:
Massive Charge
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
9 :gravity
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Each ally with momentum deals damage to all enemies in its field column. Larger allies inflict more damage.
NAME:
Massive Assault
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
7 :gravity
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Each ally with momentum deals damage to all enemies in its field column. Larger allies inflict more damage.

ART:
Art link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Husaria_pod_Kluszynem.jpg

Still looking for art ideas, but the current one gets the point across at least
IDEA:
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Today, everything just seems to fall into place.
Just think of those vampires as pins and your charger as the bowling ball... Now STRIKE!




The damage scheme will be 25% catapult.

E.g. Damage = (HP*25)/(HP+25), rounded up
…So a sapphire charger would do (5*25)/(5+25) -> 5 damage.

Incidentally, this works out perfect because diminishing returns begin for creatures of 6 HP and up.
So gravities one creature that automatically gets momentum will be an optimal candidate.

Spoiler for Damage Scaling Reference List:
Format is HP -> Damage dealt
1. -> 1., 2. -> 2., 3. -> 3., 4. -> 4., 5. -> 5., 6. -> 5., 7. -> 6.,
8. -> 7., 9. -> 7., 10. -> 8., 11. -> 8., 12. -> 9., 13. -> 9., 14. -> 9.,
15. -> 10., 16. -> 10., 17. -> 11., 18. -> 11., 19. -> 11., 20. -> 12.,
 21. -> 12., 22. -> 12., 23. -> 12., 24. -> 13., 25. -> 13., 26. -> 13.,
 27. -> 13., 28. -> 14., 29. -> 14., 30. -> 14.

Spoiler for Field Column Example:
A = ally with momentum
X = damaged enemy field slot
O = open / unaffected field slot

O O O X X O O O
  O O O X O O O
O O O X X O O O
-------------------
O O O O O O O O
  O O O A O O O
O O O O O O O O


What happens if two allies would hit the same enemy? … Its going to be a very bad day for that enemy because they will take damage from both… tough to be them. :D

The casting cost probably needs a little work. I tried basing it off of a 5 point version of firestorm since Sapphire Charger would be the most likely candidate for use here.
On the one hand, this spell could do very massive amounts of CC damage... on the other hand, it is not guaranteed to do the same amount of damage to every enemy... In fact, it might not even hit every enemy.
This makes balancing a bit tricky. Any advice, suggestions, etc. is welcome.

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« Last Edit: February 20, 2013, 04:03:20 am by OdinVanguard »
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Re: Massive Charge | Massive Assault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46888.msg1044419#msg1044419
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2013, 02:28:46 am »
Bumping this for more feedback.

Got new art in too. Would like something more original / gravity themed but the current one fits the card well at least.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2013, 04:04:42 am by OdinVanguard »
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Re: Massive Charge | Massive Assault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46888.msg1044588#msg1044588
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2013, 06:08:27 pm »
Hrm...I've seen lots of 'column' ideas that never really were made or done anything much with...
I figure if this card is made, maybe  :life could get something similar, but the main issue I can think of with this card, is that simply put, most of the mechanic work that'd go into creating the effect...Would rarely apply, since lots of creature rushes, from my admittedly limited knowledge, aren't really done. Same issue that flooding has, basically.
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Re: Massive Charge | Massive Assault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46888.msg1044700#msg1044700
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2013, 11:06:03 pm »
Hrm...I've seen lots of 'column' ideas that never really were made or done anything much with...
I figure if this card is made, maybe  :life could get something similar, but the main issue I can think of with this card, is that simply put, most of the mechanic work that'd go into creating the effect...Would rarely apply, since lots of creature rushes, from my admittedly limited knowledge, aren't really done. Same issue that flooding has, basically.
One key difference between this and flooding is that, since slot order is identical for both players, it should be fairly easy to play creatures into slots that can affect the opponent's creatures.
E.g. you can get immediate bang for your buck using chargers
Flooding, on the other hand, just sits there until a player has their first 5 creatures out... which usually doesn't happen till late game if at all.
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Re: Massive Charge | Massive Assault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46888.msg1068877#msg1068877
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2013, 03:57:36 pm »
Bumping for feedback
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Re: Massive Charge | Massive Assault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46888.msg1068980#msg1068980
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2013, 09:34:51 pm »
Since it only hits one column, the cost could probably be dropped to that of Rain of Fire | Firestorm

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Re: Massive Charge | Massive Assault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46888.msg1069006#msg1069006
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2013, 11:05:48 pm »
Since it only hits one column, the cost could probably be dropped to that of Rain of Fire | Firestorm
It can hit every column that has an ally with momentum... I.e. if you just played 6 chargers in a row then this, then 6 different columns get affected.
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Re: Massive Charge | Massive Assault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46888.msg1069265#msg1069265
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2013, 04:41:27 pm »
Yes, but you still have to pay the cost for the chargers. Chargers are expensive for only four attack.

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Re: Massive Charge | Massive Assault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46888.msg1069293#msg1069293
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2013, 06:17:27 pm »
Sky you fail to consider the upped meta. Upped, chargers have 7|5. You also have to consider that Momentum + TU is pretty strong with this, as is Charger+Fractal with this. Looks hard to balance without tons of playtesting :/

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Re: Massive Charge | Massive Assault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46888.msg1069300#msg1069300
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2013, 06:48:26 pm »
Sky you fail to consider the upped meta. Upped, chargers have 7|5. You also have to consider that Momentum + TU is pretty strong with this, as is Charger+Fractal with this. Looks hard to balance without tons of playtesting :/
Damage is based on HP, not attack. It gets scaled like a catapult weighted to max out at 25 damage rather than 100.
Armagio + momentum or massive dragon + momentum is the really painful one.
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Re: Massive Charge | Massive Assault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46888.msg1069338#msg1069338
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2013, 08:38:28 pm »
Oh. Oh dear. Now I see. Armagio. Oh dear. Oh no. Oh no oh no ohnoohnohnohnohnohnohonhohnonhonhonhonohonhnohthecakeisalie.

Seriously though. Eek.

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Re: Massive Charge | Massive Assault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46888.msg1069365#msg1069365
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2013, 09:46:42 pm »
Oh. Oh dear. Now I see. Armagio. Oh dear. Oh no. Oh no oh no ohnoohnohnohnohnohnohonhohnonhonhonhonohonhnohthecakeisalie.

Seriously though. Eek.
See the spoiler for the damage scaling. It will only do about 12 damage total I think.

Note that in the end it takes:
9 :gravity (7 :gravity upped) for this card
1 :gravity for momentum + 5 :gravity for armagio.

Thats a minimum of 15 :gravity (13 :gravity upped) and 3 cards for 12 damage divided over a column...
You can, of course, get an extra 12 damage per 5 :gravity and 2 cards for each extra.

Now also consider that you would have to work strategically to get it in place to take out the creature you want.

Its a powerful strike once its set up, but the setup is going to probably take several turns to get going.
Whether the glass is half full or half empty is a moot point. It is always filled to the brim. It is only a matter of by what. The real question is: What fills you?
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