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Spirit Guardian | Angelic Eidolon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45038.msg1020757#msg1020757
« on: December 09, 2012, 01:14:40 am »
NAME:
Spirit Guardian
ELEMENT:
Light
COST:
3 :light
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
1 | 1
TEXT:
Ward :  When a card enters the field, it gains immaterial until the end of your opponent's next turn.
NAME:
Angelic Eidolon
ELEMENT:
Light
COST:
3 :light
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
1 | 1
TEXT:
Ward :  When a card enters your side of the field, it gains immaterial until the end of your opponent's next turn.

ART:
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NOTES:
A Light protection card that can help you get out cards to trigger their abilities. Especially useful when under pressure from cards like Pulverizer or Otyugh, and helps get some cards like Crusader and Seraph out of their ‘weakened’ stage without being destroyed.
Multiple Spirits don’t stack – a card will only be protected for the turn it enters play and no more after that unless they can become immaterial in other ways.

This effect also works on your opponent's creatures until the end of their next turn.
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NAME:
Spirit Guardian
ELEMENT:
Light
COST:
3 :light
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
1 | 1
TEXT:
Ward :  When a card enters the field, it gains immaterial until the end of your opponent's next turn.
NAME:
Angelic Eidolon
ELEMENT:
Light
COST:
2 :light
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
1 | 1
TEXT:
Ward :  When a card enters the field, it gains immaterial until the end of your opponent's next turn.

ART:
shadow303
IDEA:
Zblader
NOTES:
A Light protection card that can help you get out cards to trigger their abilities. Especially useful when under pressure from cards like Pulverizer or Otyugh, and helps get some cards like Crusader and Seraph out of their ‘weakened’ stage without being destroyed.
Multiple Spirits don’t stack – a card will only be protected for the turn it enters play and no more after that unless they can become immaterial in other ways.

This effect also works on your opponent's creatures until the end of their next turn.
SERIES:

« Last Edit: December 30, 2012, 07:28:10 pm by Zblader »

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Re: Spirit Guardian | Angelic Eidolon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45038.msg1020759#msg1020759
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2012, 01:24:36 am »
I quite like this protection.
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Re: Spirit Guardian | Angelic Eidolon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45038.msg1020777#msg1020777
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2012, 03:15:50 am »
I think this card would offer a lot to the game, I just wonder if it is a bit OP. Some cards are only really "vulnerable" for one turn. I'm not sure how the mechanic could be kept the same so as to balance it out a bit more, but I do believe it's just a bit too powerful, even for light.

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Re: Spirit Guardian | Angelic Eidolon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45038.msg1020779#msg1020779
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2012, 03:27:40 am »
If you read the text a certain way, the effect works for both you and your opponent.
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Re: Spirit Guardian | Angelic Eidolon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45038.msg1021002#msg1021002
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2012, 09:41:35 pm »
If you read the text a certain way, the effect works for both you and your opponent.
It does. :)
I think this card would offer a lot to the game, I just wonder if it is a bit OP. Some cards are only really "vulnerable" for one turn. I'm not sure how the mechanic could be kept the same so as to balance it out a bit more, but I do believe it's just a bit too powerful, even for light.
Hm. I'll keep it as it is until I get more feedback, but keep in mind that this does affect enemy creatures as well. (I was also not sure of making the effect one sided or not since it can really help something like Seraph become a threat without their 'summoning sickness' period. Added a poll, so please vote.)
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Re: Spirit Guardian | Angelic Eidolon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45038.msg1021477#msg1021477
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2012, 08:56:28 pm »
It would be interesting to have only the unupped version affect both sides while the upped version affects only its owner's side.
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Re: Spirit Guardian | Angelic Eidolon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45038.msg1021777#msg1021777
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2012, 07:39:07 pm »
seraph has a self-only short duration immaterial effect, that is the only link i can see between immaterial creatures and light, so i would suggest finding a way to integrate aether in some form or fashion, quanta or some interaction with cards or what have you.  a straight up mono-light creature granting immaterial to creatures is out of bounds imo.
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Re: Spirit Guardian | Angelic Eidolon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45038.msg1021828#msg1021828
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2012, 12:16:03 am »
seraph has a self-only short duration immaterial effect, that is the only link i can see between immaterial creatures and light, so i would suggest finding a way to integrate aether in some form or fashion, quanta or some interaction with cards or what have you.  a straight up mono-light creature granting immaterial to creatures is out of bounds imo.
Seraph's immaterial is linked to "Divine" power. The way I'm seeing it the light element has been given "divine" protection as a transient untargettable effect whereas aether's is permanent. So at least its in line with that respect.

I get a hint at that theme on this card, but I think it needs to be much stronger to support an effect of this magnitude. Otherwise, as moomoose said, it would be better to incorporate aether...
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Re: Spirit Guardian | Angelic Eidolon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45038.msg1023410#msg1023410
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2012, 06:12:37 am »
Based on poll results, card will still affect opponent's field.
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I get a hint at that theme on this card, but I think it needs to be much stronger to support an effect of this magnitude. Otherwise, as moomoose said, it would be better to incorporate aether...
Before I shift this card over to Aether, what do you mean by 'stronger' OdinVanguard? (Larger base stats, more permanent protection, etc...?)

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Re: Spirit Guardian | Angelic Eidolon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45038.msg1023496#msg1023496
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2012, 02:25:30 pm »
Based on poll results, card will still affect opponent's field.
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I get a hint at that theme on this card, but I think it needs to be much stronger to support an effect of this magnitude. Otherwise, as moomoose said, it would be better to incorporate aether...
Before I shift this card over to Aether, what do you mean by 'stronger' OdinVanguard? (Larger base stats, more permanent protection, etc...?)

I'd support larger base stats, something like 4|2, so it's weak to CC, but decent as a general creature and somewhat expensive to get out, assuming current cost is balanced.

Edit: also, given it fits a 'divine shield' style of a mechanic, I think it fits light perfectly.
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Re: Spirit Guardian | Angelic Eidolon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45038.msg1023637#msg1023637
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2012, 08:21:09 pm »
Would this affect permanents? If so, this has an interesting synergy with sundials, unstable gas (though this would require 3 elements), and a few other goodies. Also, can its ability be lobo'd?

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Re: Spirit Guardian | Angelic Eidolon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45038.msg1023777#msg1023777
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2012, 02:46:05 am »
Unupped, yes; upped, no.

 

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