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Artificer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42541.msg530069#msg530069
« on: August 07, 2012, 04:56:29 am »
Has this been tried before? I don't know. Would it even work with the permanents we have available right now? I'm also a little iffy on the elemental flavouring, synergies, and activation costs. Feedback would be nice :)


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Pillars, Towers, Pendulums: Quanta Generation

Shard of Gratitude: Heal for 3 HP | Heal for 5 (per turn?)
Shard of Void: Reduce opponent's HP by 2 | Reduce by 3 (per turn?)
Shard of Patience: Does not attack for one turn & gains +2|+2 | Does not attack for one turn & gains +4|+4
Shard of Freedom: +25% to attack | +50% to attack (rounded down)

Unstable Gas: Gains Ignite (creature is sacrificed when used)

Flooding: Gains Flood (until water quanta is absorbed or creature is killed)

Sanctuary: Gains Sanctuary

Nightfall: Gains Nightfall | Gains Eclipse

Cloak: Gains Cloak (for 3 turns or creature is killed)

Empathic Bond: Gains Empathy

Boneyard: Gains Raise (generates skeletons when creatures die)

Soul Catcher: Gains Reap (generates  :death :death | :death :death :death when creatures die)

Catapult: Gains Catapult

Hourglass: Gains Hasten (activation cost = :time :time | :time)

Sundial: Gains Hasten (activation cost = :light) + Stasis (for 1 turn)

Mindgate: Gains Duality

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Re: Artificer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42541.msg530070#msg530070
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2012, 04:58:20 am »
Seems like an animate permanent. Seems interesting, although there are few permanents that I'd really want more than 6 of.
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Re: Artificer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42541.msg530071#msg530071
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2012, 04:59:08 am »
I think it has been, but it may have been Archived or never submitted...
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Re: Artificer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42541.msg530084#msg530084
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2012, 05:09:33 am »
Might be too much of a difference between un-upgraded and upgraded, to have both increased stats and reduced ability cost while maintaining card cost?
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Re: Artificer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42541.msg530089#msg530089
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2012, 05:21:55 am »
Quote from: Zam888 on August 07, 2012, 05:09:33 am
Might be too much of a difference between un-upgraded and upgraded, to have both increased stats and reduced ability cost while maintaining card cost?

Breakdown:

Unupped:
+3 for attack
+2 for ability (due to lack of good targets)
-1 for duo
=4

Upped:
+4 for attack
+1 for hp
+2 for ability
-1 for duo
-2 for upgrade
=4

Perhaps the ability might merit +3, making it a static casting cost of 5. Honestly, I was looking for a casting cost mid-ranger for :time, and felt 4 might fit.

On a side note: this + Hourglass = stepping on Golden Nymph's tail?
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Re: Artificer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42541.msg530092#msg530092
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2012, 05:25:51 am »
The change of going from :gravity :gravity --> :gravity is a 0 point increase?
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Re: Artificer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42541.msg530093#msg530093
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2012, 05:28:46 am »
Quote from: furballdn on August 07, 2012, 05:25:51 am
The change of going from :gravity :gravity --> :gravity is a 0 point increase?

Well he did concede that it might merit a 1 point increase, which I agree is completely justified.
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Re: Artificer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42541.msg530104#msg530104
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2012, 05:44:56 am »
Quote from: furballdn on August 07, 2012, 05:25:51 am
The change of going from :gravity :gravity --> :gravity is a 0 point increase?

Missed that, thanks. And yeah, the more I think on it, the more I can see this as a sort of Endow (cost of 3 unupped, 2 upped). Also, a HP reduction on the upped is definitely in order (was trying to make it Otyugh-proof, sigh). I've been going through the available targets as well, and it makes much more sense this way. This is why I decided to post this here instead of in the Smithy :D

Spoiler for Targets for Tinker (old, please see OP):
Pillars, Towers, Pendulums: Quanta Generation

Shard of Gratitude: Heal for 3 HP | Heal for 5
Shard of Void: Reduce opponent's HP by 2 | Reduce by 3
Shard of Patience: Does not attack for one turn & gains +2|+2 | Does not attack for one turn & gains +4|+4
Shard of Freedom: +25% to attack | +50% to attack (rounded down)

Unstable Gas: Gains Ignite (creature is sacrificed when used)

Flooding: Gains Flood (until water quanta is absorbed or creature is killed)

Sanctuary: Gains Sanctuary

Nightfall: Gains +1|+1 & Nightfall, Gains +2|+1 & Eclipse

Cloak: Gains Cloak (for 3 turns or creature is killed)

Empathic Bond: Gains Empathy

Boneyard: Gains Raise (generates skeletons when creatures die)

Soul Catcher: Gains Soul (generates  :death :death | :death :death :death when creatures die)

Catapult: Gains Catapult

Hourglass: Gains Hasten (activation cost = :time)

Sundial: Gains Hasten (activation cost = :light) + Stasis (for 1 turn)

Mindgate: Gains Duality

Some things to think about: Should the abilities be reactivate-able (Flood, Cloak, Stasis)? Should the abilities come into play instantly (like Endow), or should there be a secondary activation cost (a la Mitosis)? And how would other cards be able to affect these "new" creature abilities?
« Last Edit: August 07, 2012, 06:20:43 am by Werdbooty »
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Re: Artificer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42541.msg530111#msg530111
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2012, 05:54:26 am »
Hourglass ability=/=precog
Sundial ability=Hourglass ability=Hasten, though with different costs.
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Re: Artificer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42541.msg530113#msg530113
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2012, 06:00:46 am »
Quote from: Werdbooty on August 07, 2012, 05:44:56 am
Quote from: furballdn on August 07, 2012, 05:25:51 am
The change of going from :gravity :gravity --> :gravity is a 0 point increase?

Missed that, thanks. And yeah, the more I think on it, the more I can see this as a sort of Endow (cost of 3 unupped, 2 upped). Also, a HP reduction on the upped is definitely in order (was trying to make it Otyugh-proof, sigh). I've been going through the available targets as well, and it makes much more sense this way. This is why I decided to post this here instead of in the Smithy :D

Spoiler for Targets for Tinker:
Pillars, Towers, & Marks: Quanta Generation

Shard of Gratitude: Heal for 3 HP | Heal for 5
Shard of Void: Reduce opponent's HP by 2 | Reduce by 3
Shard of Patience: Does not attack for one turn & gains +2|+2 | Does not attack for one turn & gains +4|+4
Shard of Freedom: +25% to attack | +50% to attack (rounded down)

Unstable Gas: Gains Ignite (creature is sacrificed when used)

Flooding: Gains Flood (until water quanta is absorbed or creature is killed)

Sanctuary: Gains Sanctuary

Nightfall: Gains +1|+1 & Nightfall, Gains +2|+1 & Eclipse

Cloak: Gains Cloak (for 3 turns or creature is killed)

Empathic Bond: Gains Empathy

Boneyard: Gains Raise (generates skeletons when creatures die)

Soul Catcher: Gains Soul (generates :death :death |  :death :death :death when creatures die)

Catapult: Gains Catapult

Hourglass: Gains Precog

Sundial: Gains Stasis (for 1 turn)

Mindgate: Gains Duality

Some things to think about: Should the abilities be reactivate-able (Flood, Cloak, Stasis)? Should the abilities come into play instantly (like Endow), or should there be a secondary activation cost (a la Mitosis)? And how would other cards be able to affect these "new" creature abilities?

You can't target a mark,
And I think it doesn't have to get +1 | +1 or +2 | +1 from nightfall | eclipse.
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Re: Artificer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42541.msg530114#msg530114
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2012, 06:02:10 am »
Quote from: choongmyoung on August 07, 2012, 06:00:46 am
You can't target a mark,
And I think it doesn't have to get +1 | +1 or +2 | +1 from nightfall | eclipse.
Quote from: furballdn on August 07, 2012, 05:54:26 am
Hourglass ability=/=precog
Sundial ability=Hourglass ability=Hasten, though with different costs.

Target Table fixed. Thank you.

The reasoning behind the + to HP for Nightfall | Eclipse is because there would already be one in play. Since the permanent can't stack, that would make it almost useless to Tinker, unless you plan on destroying the original for some reason.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2012, 06:04:30 am by Werdbooty »
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Re: Artificer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42541.msg530121#msg530121
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2012, 06:15:46 am »
Quote from: Werdbooty on August 07, 2012, 06:02:10 am
Quote from: choongmyoung on August 07, 2012, 06:00:46 am
You can't target a mark,
And I think it doesn't have to get +1 | +1 or +2 | +1 from nightfall | eclipse.
Quote from: furballdn on August 07, 2012, 05:54:26 am
Hourglass ability=/=precog
Sundial ability=Hourglass ability=Hasten, though with different costs.

Target Table fixed. Thank you.

The reasoning behind the + to HP for Nightfall | Eclipse is because there would already be one in play. Since the permanent can't stack, that would make it almost useless to Tinker, unless you plan on destroying the original for some reason.

Artificer is not a darkness or death card. Nightfall | Eclipse buffs creature only if it's darkness or death.
Gaining the ability don't change its element.
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