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Quanta Screw Bow [Arena][Silver League] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42355.msg527249#msg527249
« on: July 30, 2012, 04:42:22 am »
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This deck was posted before the 1.32 game update and as a result may work very differently now.  Use at your own risk.

This is yet another speedbow, but I've searched the forum and I haven't seen exactly this formula. It is a heavy denial variant of many other decks (bone collector, speed wall).

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With this deck, you frequently use your SoFo mostly against pillars. Many silver decks can be completely shut down by pillar denial + discord + 5 BHs
Play SN, Discord, SoFo in that order, if possible.
Against mono, save BH for after first Discord unless you have plenty in hand and plenty of  :gravity.
Against duo/trio, try to eliminate all non-mark pillars.
Against rainbow, destroy or steal as many pillars (and hourglasses) as possible. You should be able to win with BH superiority.
TTK is often 8, but this is not always a fast deck. Enemy's turns are often very quick though.

Rage potion (replace with beater or RoF?): Very nice utility card since you can kill 1 creature, or make your SoFo 6/* with an extra PC.
Crusader: By endowing discord you can eat up a larger amount of quanta with BH, and you protect your scrambling from PC. You can also create a 15/1 creature w/ rage potion.
Gravity pendulum: not better than another quantum tower.

Matchups vs. typical silver decks:
Immo/Fire Rush: Wins with bone wall and BH healing. You must save 1 PC for fire shield, but otherwise, take out as many pendulums as you can.
Mono darkness: Bone wall + BH win. Save your steal to steal something back.
Mono Aether: Save 2-3 PC for dim shields and lobo, otherwise no problem.
Mono Aether + SoW: Troublesome, but you can usually outrush it unless your denial fails or you get quanta screwed.
Mono antimatter/max's demon: Can be troublesome if he has tons of pillars, but if you can get him to waste antimatters on crusader or Ulitherid you are probably good.
Mono life: Ulitherid helps a lot but sometimes you can lose to massive healing or poison rush if you get quanta screwed.
Duos: Rare to find one that can function with only their mark's quanta color. Usually easy.
Rainbow: Likely to destroy enough QP and spam enough BH to slow them down enough to win.
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Re: Quanta Screw Bow [Arena][Silver League] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42355.msg527349#msg527349
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2012, 01:40:56 pm »
There is Tadabow. Your's is quite variation of it.
Just 2 discords and 2 BHs ? And you call it Quanta Screw ? I am not agree-ing at all. I am not saying bad but it just does not show the name while playing
EDIT : Lol,i saw BHs came from Focus. Sorry. By the way,only 2 discords,still ? You don't have to Steal anything. While you are holding sofos in hand. I'd change that to discord. Steal is very,very situational.
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Re: Quanta Screw Bow [Arena][Silver League] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42355.msg527487#msg527487
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2012, 11:53:02 pm »
There is Tadabow. Your's is quite variation of it.
Just 2 discords and 2 BHs ? And you call it Quanta Screw ? I am not agree-ing at all. I am not saying bad but it just does not show the name while playing
EDIT : Lol,i saw BHs came from Focus. Sorry. By the way,only 2 discords,still ? You don't have to Steal anything. While you are holding sofos in hand. I'd change that to discord. Steal is very,very situational.
Try a couple dozen games against silver.
With 3 discords you run the risk of 2 dead cards in the deck. As it is, 2 discords in your opening hand is a bad draw. A good suggestion though. I will try it.
I'm surprised you would question the utility of Steal. A short list of things you will do with steal in this deck:
1. Steal a dim shield to avoid 2 turns of damage from mono aether
2. Steal a fire shield to kill a phoenix or 3.
3. Steal an hourglass and use it.
4. Steal back your discord/hourglass just stolen by enemy's steal.
5. Steal a first-turn arsenic
6. Steal a quantum pillar on the second turn.
7. At worst you steal a pillar from a deck with no other permanents.
You can replace it with a cloak or a gargoyle if you like, but my taste is to keep it.

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Re: Quanta Screw Bow [Arena][Silver League] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42355.msg527499#msg527499
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2012, 12:52:29 am »
There is Tadabow. Your's is quite variation of it.
Just 2 discords and 2 BHs ? And you call it Quanta Screw ? I am not agree-ing at all. I am not saying bad but it just does not show the name while playing
EDIT : Lol,i saw BHs came from Focus. Sorry. By the way,only 2 discords,still ? You don't have to Steal anything. While you are holding sofos in hand. I'd change that to discord. Steal is very,very situational.

He calls it "Quanta Screw" because the SoFos can be (and often are) used to eat up pillars/towers.  Furthermore, SoFo turns into black hole after it's used up so really the denial comes from 2 discos, 5 black holes and 9 turns of pillar-nomming from SoFos. 

I could see how you would want to keep the steal since your SoFos will be destroying pillars, but I also agree that a third discord would be advantageous.  The thing is, without the steal, your darkness quanta is wasted.  I could see how a werewolf could fit in well there too though, since you're not flying your discords (thus you have the quanta for it, especially given that you have the pendulum).  Play around with it.  See what works best for that steal spot.
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Re: Quanta Screw Bow [Arena][Silver League] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42355.msg527556#msg527556
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2012, 03:57:36 am »
The cards I am most unsure about:
Rage potion (replace with beater or RoF?): Very nice utility card since you can kill 1 creature, or make your SoFo 6/* with an extra PC.
Crusader (Archangel?): Theoretically good with discord and a good target for TU, but vulnerable to paradox, and sometimes you can't get enough :light or weapons to endow
Gravity pendulum: not sure if better than another quantum tower.  :gravity and  :entropy are most important, but  :fire:light, and  :aether are all sometimes in demand.

I would think that rage portion is better.
in your deck, there's 1  :gravity pendulum, i would take that out together with TU.
reason: 1 doesn't guarantee you always draw the card. By the time you get that, you would have probably got more  :gravity quantas than you need. Uritarid uses  :aether, and TU. sometimes you get quanta choke if the hand cards screw you up. However, the hourglass would probably save you.
2 rage portions for me and i would take out the golem. Warewolf is because i would have too much  :entropy quantas, don't wanna wast that.
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Don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to replace every card you have, but this is probably the deck that i would make. I've SoFo to do the permanent control job, so, no steal, yet too much  :darkness quantas, so either blood sucker or vamp.

I prefer Archangel. But for the above deck, nope. Since i'm not healing my SoFo. But if this is the case (below), yes.
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this is just an example, not a perfect one since i've not tested it but given  :death's bone wall, toadfish is useful but the focus has bee Discord, blackhole. note that a butterfly effect was added inand together with RP, they can be used on the shard. RP used on AA and AA heals, you can use that on it again, not mentioning it's also good for CC.
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Re: Quanta Screw Bow [Arena][Silver League] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42355.msg527611#msg527611
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2012, 08:00:39 am »
1 Oty in place of black hole/sofo?
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Re: Quanta Screw Bow [Arena][Silver League] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42355.msg527767#msg527767
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2012, 10:08:47 pm »
1 Oty in place of black hole/sofo?

Obviously this could work (Oty is a solid card in any speedbow) but the idea behind this deck is to increase the chances of locking the enemy down with repeated discord/BH and SoFo pillar destruction. It is a slightly different strategy than typical speedbow. I haven't faced any decks that were challenging because of quanta-generating creatures, and RoF might be better against those decks anyway.

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Re: Quanta Screw Bow [Arena][Silver League] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42355.msg527920#msg527920
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2012, 03:12:26 pm »
1 Oty in place of black hole/sofo?

Obviously this could work (Oty is a solid card in any speedbow) but the idea behind this deck is to increase the chances of locking the enemy down with repeated discord/BH and SoFo pillar destruction. It is a slightly different strategy than typical speedbow. I haven't faced any decks that were challenging because of quanta-generating creatures, and RoF might be better against those decks anyway.
Adding an Elite Otyugh slows down your healing from Black Hole. But,of course,this deck needs a third heavy C.C.
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