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Morphing Shield | Elite Morphing Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42295.msg526274#msg526274
« on: July 27, 2012, 04:03:19 pm »
NAME:
Morphing Shield
ELEMENT:
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COST:
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TYPE:
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ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Shield: This card becomes an unupgraded shield of your choice by paying its cost x2. (x1.5 if shield fits your mark)
NAME:
Elite Morphing Shield
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
0
TYPE:
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ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Shield: This card becomes an upgraded shield of your choice by paying its cost x2. (x1.5 if shield fits your mark)

ART:
Element's Shield art (modified by ARTHANASIOS)
IDEA:
ARTHANASIOS
NOTES:
By the time you click to play a Morphing Shield from your hand, a window with different choices appears and asks you which shield you want; the choices and the cost are the following:
Spoiler for Hidden:
Shield= 2 :rainbow
Dissipation Shield= 6 :entropy (or 5 :entropy if you have an :entropy mark)
Skull Shield= 6 :death (or 5 :death if you have a :death mark)
Bone Wall= 14 :death (or 10 :death if you have a :death mark)
Gravity Shield= 10 :gravity (or 7 :gravity if you have a :gravity mark)
Titanium Shield= 8 :earth (or 6 :earth if you have an :earth mark)
Thorn Carapace= 14 :life (or 10 :life if you have a :life mark)
Emerald Shield= 10 :life (or 7 :life if you have a :life mark)
Fire Shield= 12 :fire (or 9 :fire if you have a :fire mark)
Ice Shield= 12 :water (or 9 :water if you have a :water mark)
Solar Shield= 6 :light (or 5 :light if you have a :light mark)
Reflective Shield= 2 :light (or 2 :light if you have a :light mark)
Hope= 14 :light (or 10 :light if you have a :light mark)
Fog Shield= 4 :air (or 3 :air if you have an :air mark)
Wings= 8 :air (or 6 :air if you have an :air mark)
Procrastination= 12 :time (or 9 :time if you have a :time mark)
Dusk Mantle= 12 :darkness (or 9 :darkness if you have a :darkness mark)
Dimensional Shield= 12 :aether (or 9 :aether if you have an :aether mark)

For the Elite Morphing Shield, the choices are the following:
Spoiler for Hidden:
Tower Shield= 8 :rainbow
Dissipation Field= 6 :entropy ( or 5 :entropy if you have an :entropy mark)
Skull Buckler= 4 :death (or 3 :death if you have a :death mark)
Bone Wall (upped)= 10 :death (or 7 :death if you have a :death mark)
Gravity Shield (upped)= 6 :gravity (or 5 :gravity if you have a :gravity mark)
Diamond Shield= 12 :earth (or 9 :earth if you have an :earth mark)
Spine Carapace= 14 :life (or 10 :life if you have a :life mark)
Jade Shield= 14 :life (or 10 life if you have a :life mark)
Fire Buckler= 8 :fire (or 6 :fire if you have a :fire mark)
Permafrost Shield= 14 :water (or 10 :water if you have a :water mark)
Solar Buckler= 4 :light (or 3 :light if you have a :light mark)
Mirror Shield= 4 :light (or 3 :light if you have a :light mark)
Hope (upped)= 16 :light (or 12 :light if you have a :light mark)
Improved Fog= 2 :air (or 2 :air if you have an :air mark)
Wings (upped)= 6 :air (or 5 :air if you have an :air mark)
Turtle Shield= 8 :time (or 6 :time if you have a :time mark)
Improved Dusk= 8 :darkness (or 6 :darkness if you have a :darkness mark)
Phase Shield= 10 :aether (or 7 :aether if you have an :aether mark)

If you have the needed quanta, the Morphing Shield | Elite Morphing Shield goes onto your shield slot and becomes the selected shield. If not, the "not enough quanta" message appears. Morphing Shield | Elite Morphing Shield can create each shield type only once per game

This shield was made with versality in mind but for a high cost; according to the circumstances (and the amount of your quanta) you can have the shield you need against a specific opponent. I would love if this card was useful for all the elements, since it is an Other card, however some elements obviously find Morphing Shield more useful than some others.  :light, for example, can pack a few Morphing Shields and, according to circumstances, it may select to have a Reflective, Solar or Hope shield. Elements with two different shields ( :air, :life, :death) can also benefit from this card for a high cost. Elements with a singe shield have probably no reason in using this card in mono-decks. Rainbows may benefit from Morphing Shields, but their expensive status would hopefully prevent them from abusing their ability.
 However, I think this card may need cost balancing, since some shields reach costs way too high to worth the effort (may I add a maximum cost of 10 for each shield?). Feedback is always welcome.
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« Last Edit: August 15, 2012, 05:59:14 pm by ARTHANASIOS »
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Re: Morphing Shield | Elite Morphing Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42295.msg526281#msg526281
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2012, 04:36:26 pm »
This seems like a decent idea, and I can't say I've too many complaints about the idea or the implementation...If anything, I'd almost be for reducing the 'morph' cost to 1.5 the normal cost of the shield...But that's just me.
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Re: Morphing Shield | Elite Morphing Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42295.msg526289#msg526289
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2012, 05:21:51 pm »
I second the idea of reducing the cost to 1.5, however that may make it overpowered. So you would just have to see through some testing and serious thinking.
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Re: Morphing Shield | Elite Morphing Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42295.msg526300#msg526300
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2012, 05:54:05 pm »
 What really intriques me is that some of the shields are still too cheap for what they offer, even with doubling their cost (Reflective Shield|Mirror Shield, Skull Shield|Skull Buckler, Fog Shield|Improved Fog, Wings|Wings), while others are way too expensive for their status (Tower Shield, Titanuim Shield|Diamond Shield, Thorn Carapace|Spine Carapace, Emerald Shield|Jade Shield, Fire Shield, Ice Shield|Permafrost Shield, Procrastination, Dusk Mantle, Hope|Hope). The rest shields (Shield, Dissipation Shield| Dissipation Field, Bone Wall|Bone Wall, Solar Shield|Solar Buckler, Gravity Shield|Gravity Shield, Dimensional Shield|Phase Shield, Fire Buckler, Turtle Shield, Improved Dusk) are ok in my opinion.
 I don't know, balancing my card seems very difficult, since shields themselves need balancing...  :(
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Re: Morphing Shield | Elite Morphing Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42295.msg526303#msg526303
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2012, 05:58:25 pm »
Don't price it linearly than?  If it costs more than 5 or something, maybe only add 3 to the cost or something?

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Re: Morphing Shield | Elite Morphing Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42295.msg526399#msg526399
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2012, 08:22:56 pm »
I agree with the post above me. Its versatility ends when it costs too much. I support making any shield that costs more than 5 only adding 3 to the cost. It would balance things much better.

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Re: Morphing Shield | Elite Morphing Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42295.msg526803#msg526803
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2012, 10:35:01 am »
 Card mechanics updated; now shields which are in-element with your mark cost x1.5 instead of x2.0 (see spoilers for details). I still don't want to make x1.5 for all the shields regardless of mark because I want each element to keep its domain upon its shields and I also want rainbow stalls to pay A LOT for this card.
 I may also post a Morphing Weapon | Elite Morphing Weapon card idea very soon...  :)
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Re: Morphing Shield | Elite Morphing Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42295.msg526831#msg526831
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2012, 01:46:55 pm »
Yay 36 turn Aether Stall? (and all with the average cost of Dim Shield too)
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Re: Morphing Shield | Elite Morphing Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42295.msg526842#msg526842
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2012, 03:08:13 pm »
Yay 36 turn Aether Stall? (and all with the average cost of Dim Shield too)

My you're reffering to a 36 turn :aether stall with an :aether mark, 6 Dim Shields and 6 Morphing Shields, right? Personally, I find more frightening the same stall but with Wings, lol. Anyway, 30 card mono-aether Dim Shield stall decks are well known and you must have a way to neutralize them (PC or Momentum or whatever), regardless of the amount of Dim Shields they have. I don't think being able to have up to 12 Dim Shields in your deck (with 6 of them being more expensive Morphed versions) would make mono- :aether stalls much more annoying or more powerful than they are now. But let's take a more proffesional look:

* 6 Dim Shields (6 original, 0 morphed) in a 30-card mono- :aether deck is the 20.00% of the deck. They overall cost 36 :aether (unupped) or 30 :aether (upped).
* 7 Dim Shields (6 original, 1 morphed) in a 30-card mono- :aether deck is the 23.33% of the deck. They overall cost 45 :aether (unupped) or 37 :aether (upped).
* 8 Dim Shields (6 original, 2 morphed) in a 30-card mono- :aether deck is the 26.67% of the deck. They overall cost 54 :aether (unupped) or 44 :aether (upped).
* 9 Dim Shields (6 original, 3 morphed) in a 30-card mono-  :aether deck is the 30.00% of the deck. They overall cost 63 :aether (unupped) or 51 :aether (upped).
*10 Dim Shields (6 original, 4 morphed) in a 30-card mono- :aether deck is the 33.33% of the deck. They overall cost 72 :aether (unupped) or 58 :aether (upped).
*11 Dim Shields (6 original, 5 morphed) in a 30-card mono- :aether deck is the 36.67% of the deck. They overall cost 81 :aether (unupped) or 65 :aether (upped).
*12 Dim Shields (6 original, 6 morphed) in a 30-card mono- :aether deck is the 40.00% of the deck. They overall cost 90 :aether (unupped) or 72 :aether (upped).

The problem is that you can't create an effective deck by just stalling with Dim Shields, you need Pillars/Towers to play your cards and creatures to attack. However, the truth is that 60-card-12-Dim-Shield decks will become possible (and the chance to draw a Dim is the same with a 30-card-6-Dim-Shield deck) and if people believe it is broken, we can have the programme to disallow copying a shield with Morphing Shield if that shield has already been played 6 times.
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Re: Morphing Shield | Elite Morphing Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42295.msg527334#msg527334
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2012, 12:11:46 pm »
Card art and table need to match exactly.
Aside from the discrepancy between the unupgraded card texts in the image and table (I'll assume that's an error), you need to:
 - Change the  "see text" to ? in the cost section of the table.
 - Take out the "(Shield)" in the type section of the table.*
 - Take out the "n/a" in the stats section of the table so that it is left blank if it's a permanent or spell.*
 - Change "unupped" and "upped" to "non-upgraded" and "upgraded" in the text section of the table so that it matches with the card image.

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Re: Morphing Shield | Elite Morphing Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42295.msg527513#msg527513
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2012, 02:22:44 am »
Actually, I'd remove the ? cost altogether and just have the effect drain the equivalent quanta.  If it doesn't, you just wasted the card.

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Re: Morphing Shield | Elite Morphing Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42295.msg527542#msg527542
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2012, 03:11:05 am »
Yay 36 turn Aether Stall? (and all with the average cost of Dim Shield too)

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