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titan fg killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41715.msg517501#msg517501
« on: July 03, 2012, 02:10:47 am »
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i am currently working on a titan potential fg killer however am struggling with improving success rate its a version of the catapult otk deck but i feel it might be quicker than the armagio basilisk blood version either i don't get enough quanta or i don't draw my cards quick enough i know upped it will automatically work better but unupped i have managed to beat neptune and paradox any advice would be appreciated
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Re: titan fg killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41715.msg517512#msg517512
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2012, 02:22:23 am »
A few things:

Trios are very unreliable in terms of quanta production and needed cards.  Furthermore 4/40 isn't optimal Titan-drawing odds, especially when you have AWs.  I would get rid of time all together.  Next, your aether cards require a whopping 78 quanta!  Currently your quanta production only gives you about 37.5 quanta (counting pillars as 5, pends as 2.5 per element).  With cutting your deck down to 31 cards from removing time, I feel like you could also benefit from removing a PU or two.  6 is a bit much imo.  I would also add a few aether pillars.  You're not going to look to maintain deck size advantage over FGs, so I would cut it down to 30 cards, or just slightly more to taste, since dims do allow you to stall a bit.  Still, no more than 32-33 imo, or else the dims will cease to be reliable and you will get overrun.  Another area where you could remove cards?  Possibly Chimeras.  Since you're throwing titans, chimeras will be less effective with less creatures they can swallow.  Lastly, after balancing the quanta, I believe you will have a more effective deck.

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Re: titan fg killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41715.msg517520#msg517520
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2012, 02:28:02 am »
An old Titan FG killer (Replace SoG's with sancts. I think it's still fairly reliable, though it might need a bit of change. I can't tell now.)
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,4383.0.html

And an unupped one inspired by it (I don't know how aged it is, but you can probably test it with the cards you have, and you could mod it to include accelerations):
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5656.0.html

EDIT:
A few things:

Trios are very unreliable in terms of quanta production and needed cards.  Furthermore 4/40 isn't optimal Titan-drawing odds, especially when you have AWs.  I would get rid of time all together.  Next, your aether cards require a whopping 78 quanta!  Currently your quanta production only gives you about 37.5 quanta (counting pillars as 5, pends as 2.5 per element).  With cutting your deck down to 31 cards from removing time, I feel like you could also benefit from removing a PU or two.  6 is a bit much imo.  I would also add a few aether pillars.  You're not going to look to maintain deck size advantage over FGs, so I would cut it down to 30 cards, or just slightly more to taste, since dims do allow you to stall a bit.  Still, no more than 32-33 imo, or else the dims will cease to be reliable and you will get overrun.  Another area where you could remove cards?  Possibly Chimeras.  Since you're throwing titans, chimeras will be less effective with less creatures they can swallow.  Lastly, after balancing the quanta, I believe you will have a more effective deck.

Also, nice username.  LotR reference?
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Re: titan fg killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41715.msg517541#msg517541
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2012, 03:24:02 am »
Assuming a titan makes 34 damage (I thought it was 33), you need to catapult 6 flying titans in order to kill a non-healing + non-PC + slow FG. Can you win against 5-6 FGs with this?

And those chimeras are pretty useless.
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Re: titan fg killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41715.msg517542#msg517542
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2012, 03:25:51 am »
The reason for the chimeras is to make one giant ass creature out of several titans and catapult it for a one hit kill.  The deck is definitely an interesting idea, but unless you can find a way to balance the quanta right, I think I'd do as others suggest and take out the time cards.  With 5 pends and unupped hourglasses, they aren't going to do much, anyway.

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Re: titan fg killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41715.msg517557#msg517557
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2012, 05:03:34 am »
I think the best titan FG killer would probably be ralouf's toast.

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Re: titan fg killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41715.msg517606#msg517606
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2012, 11:05:05 am »
Try to add freeze to the deck, a frozen Titan will do 50 damage. I would remove chimera and add gravity pull.

I made a Titan deck a few days ago. This one would be better with more Sof.
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Re: titan fg killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41715.msg517607#msg517607
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2012, 11:10:28 am »
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Re: titan fg killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41715.msg517647#msg517647
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2012, 02:48:08 pm »
No prob, glad to help! :) Also, just a quick note for future reference: I'm pretty sureyou can't catapult a chimera for an otk against fgs since HP and damage don't scale linearly. There's a catapult damage chart and formula on here somewhere that should ansewr that for certain, in case your interested :)
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Re: titan fg killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41715.msg517685#msg517685
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2012, 05:04:06 pm »
I think the damage to health ratio decreases as health goes higher, so you may be better off Pulting Titans individually than getting a Chimera together...

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Re: titan fg killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41715.msg517689#msg517689
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2012, 05:16:44 pm »
 

Hmm, if you fly 4 titans, then chimera, (freeze the chimera)  then catapult, it does 198 damage.  I'm gonna look into this when I get home, but it may be viable.

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Re: titan fg killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41715.msg517693#msg517693
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2012, 06:29:56 pm »
I think the damage to health ratio decreases as health goes higher, so you may be better off Pulting Titans individually than getting a Chimera together...

This is true, but in theory if you had enough titans, you could kill someone in one hit.  I have no idea how many that would be, though; I haven't played around with catapult enough.  A catapulted titan does somewhere in the 30s for damage, I think.  The chimera would give that extra option, but I don't know how useful that would actually be.  I'd probably try without it, and if you need it, you can always try one again.

 

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